Loot boxes: Lords call for 'immediate' gambling regulation

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  • Azof
    17916 posts World Class
    If they are saying packs are gambling say bye bye to packs in UK. They aren't saying fp are the issue which some people seem to interpret it as.
  • Aguy9916
    1045 posts Professional
    Aguy9916 wrote: »
    Welcome news, but I can't believe people are excited about the potential of moving to a season pass model. It should be a set price at launch and supported by the developer throughout the run of the game.

    How have we as gamers got to the stage where we're excited by the potential of paying for a game and then continuing to pay a fee to play it based on a forced season model?

    Its welcome for me as long as the pass is reasonably priced. It's the way games are these days they give us a lot of quality content and charge a small amount for it... I happily pay for the same thing within pubg and cod warzone and I'd happily pay for fifas seasons system.... on a couple of conditions...

    1. They need to dramatically up the drop rate of good stuff. Under a pass system there is no reason why everyone shouldn't pack good cards, with no FP to worry about they may as well keep customers happy and allow people some fun cards.

    2. Ideally I'd like the market to go... theres to much advantage to people with time on their hands to trade and the end result of the market is lots of people losing out and a small few profiting... I'd happily see all untradeable... big drops regularly for everyone and big full clubs of players to use for objectives... people playing with what they have instead of chasing after the meta and top cards.

    It's surprising that quality gameplay isn't one of your conditions. That should be everyone's top condition for buying a season pass.

    Remember you don't need to buy the pass to play the game. So if gameplay is in the state it's in now then not very many people will be paying for extras.

    Completely agree... I'd like to see that as a 3rd condition 😁😁
  • Retropoe82
    1321 posts Play-Off Hero
    Hannayiom wrote: »
    Ishibum wrote: »
    mypetfrog wrote: »
    Looking forward to the seeing the "claim back your fifa points" PPI-style companies cropping up in a couple of years 😂 #savingsplan

    Oh could you imagine if they had to refund folk? Unlikely but a man can dream :lol:

    That would just be the best.

    Thats my morgage paid for, followed by a divorce when the wife finds out how much ive spent in 5 years
  • RadioShaq
    16050 posts Moderator
    Yeah I dunno what they will do if they have to remove packs and not fp. Uk might not get to play fut this year. That doesn’t seem fair.
  • madwullie
    6439 posts Big Money Move
    Btw just because the HoL are suggesting something doesn't mean it will happen. Given its the money hungry bribable tories in power, I imagine those who actually legislate will take one look at this, snort, pocket their envelope from EA and laugh all the way to the bank.
  • tommyboyo
    1647 posts Play-Off Hero
    Long old way to go in this saga lads.

    Don't get your hopes up too much at this stage!
  • TDOF
    2929 posts National Call-Up
    Azof wrote: »
    If they are saying packs are gambling say bye bye to packs in UK. They aren't saying fp are the issue which some people seem to interpret it as.

    The gambling aspect is when you pay money though.....

    you pay real life money to gamble in a 3+ game..... using IN GAME currency isn't gambling.... its playing the game, packs themselves (without the fifa points) are classed as "rewards"
  • TDOF
    2929 posts National Call-Up
    tommyboyo wrote: »
    Long old way to go in this saga lads.

    Don't get your hopes up too much at this stage!

    depends when they vote, when Belgium happened they gave companies like 24-48 hours (dont remember exactly) to remove all game loot from games
  • TDOF
    2929 posts National Call-Up
    Also this petition is almost at 50k signatures https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300171

    will 100% be used in evidence
  • Azof
    17916 posts World Class
    TDOF wrote: »
    Azof wrote: »
    If they are saying packs are gambling say bye bye to packs in UK. They aren't saying fp are the issue which some people seem to interpret it as.

    The gambling aspect is when you pay money though.....

    you pay real life money to gamble in a 3+ game..... using IN GAME currency isn't gambling.... its playing the game, packs themselves (without the fifa points) are classed as "rewards"

    Loot boxes have long been controversial in video games. They offer players a chance at a randomised reward when opened. To further complicate matters, boxes can often be bought for real money, and the rewards can sometimes be traded.

    So yeah they don't want them to be there free or bought
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16541 posts World Class
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Yeah I dunno what they will do if they have to remove packs and not fp. Uk might not get to play fut this year. That doesn’t seem fair.

    That's never happening. EA aren't even dumb enough to exclude the UK from their game instead of removing the gambling for kids side of things. That really would be the fall of EA when the media got their hands on that one.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16541 posts World Class
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.
  • phep
    1518 posts Play-Off Hero
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I can’t see the media picking this up at all. There’s too much else going on in the world for this to make a splash, particularly when both the non-games media and majority of people reading/watching won’t fully be able to grasp what’s going on here.
  • CosmicFuzz
    839 posts Semi-Pro
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I can’t see the media picking this up at all. There’s too much else going on in the world for this to make a splash, particularly when both the non-games media and majority of people reading/watching won’t fully be able to grasp what’s going on here.

    It's already been picked up by gameindustryndustrybiz
    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-07-02-house-of-lords-calls-for-loot-boxes-to-be-immediately-reclassified-as-gambling
    kotaku
    https://www.kotaku.co.uk/2020/07/02/the-house-of-lords-calls-for-immediate-loot-box-regulation
    BBC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53253195
    Eurogamer
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-02-loot-boxes-should-be-classed-as-gambling-says-house-of-lords

    Amongst others
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16541 posts World Class
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I can’t see the media picking this up at all. There’s too much else going on in the world for this to make a splash, particularly when both the non-games media and majority of people reading/watching won’t fully be able to grasp what’s going on here.

    It's already being reported by BBC news just that this is being discussed. When they're banned I would definitely expect it to be on the main news here. The headline that kids have been exposed to gambling will be pretty big and people won't need to have knowledge about the games to understand this.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I think it will be a pretty big deal.
  • If they banned ultimate team loot boxs from uk ., EA will have to change no matter what they wont be allowed for example to create games or develop this type of game in UK they will be forced to change . just like Starwars changed for them Elite characters just like in Fifa . UK gaming market for fifa is alot higher than other , heres the problem , you can buy accounts from G2a . so this is money you are gambling with . buying fifa points is gambling because you can get a good team then sell it after you play . so getting good players is a good way of making money . hell people play fifa to sell there own accounts maybe not you maybe against the rules but it still happens on external websites . Destroying your whole team for a icon pack to get rubbish ,. or changing upgrades to 88 players and getting 82 makes you etiher play more or buy more . when you just forked out 59.99 for a game then inside the game you have to either grind for hours or just get your credit card and play roulette . FIFA communitys on twitch all call the icon swap roulette because you putting everything on black and hope you win a good player then you get bad ,. sometimes good . with % on what you can win . winning anything in game of vaule is gambling . lets say you win a full line up of players how much is that worth https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fifa-20-Tradeable-Ultimate-Team-Worth-3-5-Million-XBOX/203037176449?hash=item2f45f57281:g:apYAAOSw6nhe-Qi6 one example . you can sell these account becasue they worth alot of MONEY . gambling and roulette . Good luck EA you going to need it . i personally can give a statement right now - FIFA is a addictive game ., the more players you unlock the more better your team gets to win even more ., you grind and pay for fifa points to open boxs gambling your way to a good team . you could have a full team of 90's and full chem and you delete it all for a icon swap loot box that basically takes everything you worked for and bet it on a good card to come out which hardly ever happens . also on top of this a new fifa is out every year . so after you done all this you not got time to grind to a good team while others are top teams on twitch for example because they paid and this shows in there teams , when you see someone that hasn't paid anything he has a bad team . loses all the games . ect . you only hope is to play and lose untill you get a good team with good chem . so back to fifa points you go . opening more packs . the feeling of getting a good player is the same as winning at roulette the same as if you lose the greatest grind you done is ruined and leaves you wanting to smash the room up or throw your controller across the room as seen on many many streams and chat loves it because its content someone just lost 200$ team to bad packs . its addicting to a sense that if you lose you have to go back and do all that grind again trying beat hard as hell teams . the match making also never has been fixed it always sets you up to a high tier team which will win because they spent the money and gambled . fifa is the biggest scam i ever seen . i like that competitive side of fifa but the fact i have a bad team means im at a loss without gambling money to get players . when new fifa comes out everyone will buy packs get good within 1 minute while you left to grind the entire year if you dont pay and gamble . the game almost makes you want to gamble because good players are out of reach . i will go back to the feelings of winning a good player if you ever played poker , roulette , blackjack ,. sports betting you will understand if you play fifa too that the feelings of winning or losing on a pack opening is exactly the same as gambling in a casino the feeling you get . this also shows whens someones playing a game and loses . its almost as if the whole world just crumbled and burned . this could for kids introduce them to the world of gambling at the younger ages of 8 9 10 . older generations dont often complain because they are known as "wallet warriors" . they dont care in supporting the game . but also with that the kids that brought the game for 60$ every year dont feel the same . they hate the wallet warriors . . a game should not feel like you going out to the casino every time . just look at the streams no one is playing the game everyone is trading and opening packs and buying fifa points to gamble on stream . even the streamers call it "ROULETTE"
  • ManC2020
    157 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Welcome news, but I can't believe people are excited about the potential of moving to a season pass model. It should be a set price at launch and supported by the developer throughout the run of the game.

    How have we as gamers got to the stage where we're excited by the potential of paying for a game and then continuing to pay a fee to play it based on a forced season model?

    This....
  • Estaban
    1175 posts Professional
    edited July 3
    “Once you purchase this item, i'll run a RANDOM script which will determine a 90+ player and this will be messaged to you. Then you'll receive the corresponding amount of coins and the transfer options - we can chat through Whatsapp or eBay PMs.
    Leaving positive feedback previously to the result is STRICTLY NECESSARY in order to prevent salty negative feedback. Take into consideration that this is a RANDOM script and it IS NOT in my interest to manipulate the results.

    If you have ANY QUESTIONS, just message me before buying this item, since I won't give ANY refunds.“

    Check out this description. The guy runs his own one player pack for 9 bucks. Lol.

    You got people out there imitating fifa packs now.
  • Chavez76
    6094 posts Big Money Move
    teamliquid wrote: »
    If they banned ultimate team loot boxs from uk ., EA will have to change no matter what they wont be allowed for example to create games or develop this type of game in UK they will be forced to change . just like Starwars changed for them Elite characters just like in Fifa . UK gaming market for fifa is alot higher than other , heres the problem , you can buy accounts from G2a . so this is money you are gambling with . buying fifa points is gambling because you can get a good team then sell it after you play . so getting good players is a good way of making money . hell people play fifa to sell there own accounts maybe not you maybe against the rules but it still happens on external websites . Destroying your whole team for a icon pack to get rubbish ,. or changing upgrades to 88 players and getting 82 makes you etiher play more or buy more . when you just forked out 59.99 for a game then inside the game you have to either grind for hours or just get your credit card and play roulette . FIFA communitys on twitch all call the icon swap roulette because you putting everything on black and hope you win a good player then you get bad ,. sometimes good . with % on what you can win . winning anything in game of vaule is gambling . lets say you win a full line up of players how much is that worth https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fifa-20-Tradeable-Ultimate-Team-Worth-3-5-Million-XBOX/203037176449?hash=item2f45f57281:g:apYAAOSw6nhe-Qi6 one example . you can sell these account becasue they worth alot of MONEY . gambling and roulette . Good luck EA you going to need it . i personally can give a statement right now - FIFA is a addictive game ., the more players you unlock the more better your team gets to win even more ., you grind and pay for fifa points to open boxs gambling your way to a good team . you could have a full team of 90's and full chem and you delete it all for a icon swap loot box that basically takes everything you worked for and bet it on a good card to come out which hardly ever happens . also on top of this a new fifa is out every year . so after you done all this you not got time to grind to a good team while others are top teams on twitch for example because they paid and this shows in there teams , when you see someone that hasn't paid anything he has a bad team . loses all the games . ect . you only hope is to play and lose untill you get a good team with good chem . so back to fifa points you go . opening more packs . the feeling of getting a good player is the same as winning at roulette the same as if you lose the greatest grind you done is ruined and leaves you wanting to smash the room up or throw your controller across the room as seen on many many streams and chat loves it because its content someone just lost 200$ team to bad packs . its addicting to a sense that if you lose you have to go back and do all that grind again trying beat hard as hell teams . the match making also never has been fixed it always sets you up to a high tier team which will win because they spent the money and gambled . fifa is the biggest scam i ever seen . i like that competitive side of fifa but the fact i have a bad team means im at a loss without gambling money to get players . when new fifa comes out everyone will buy packs get good within 1 minute while you left to grind the entire year if you dont pay and gamble . the game almost makes you want to gamble because good players are out of reach . i will go back to the feelings of winning a good player if you ever played poker , roulette , blackjack ,. sports betting you will understand if you play fifa too that the feelings of winning or losing on a pack opening is exactly the same as gambling in a casino the feeling you get . this also shows whens someones playing a game and loses . its almost as if the whole world just crumbled and burned . this could for kids introduce them to the world of gambling at the younger ages of 8 9 10 . older generations dont often complain because they are known as "wallet warriors" . they dont care in supporting the game . but also with that the kids that brought the game for 60$ every year dont feel the same . they hate the wallet warriors . . a game should not feel like you going out to the casino every time . just look at the streams no one is playing the game everyone is trading and opening packs and buying fifa points to gamble on stream . even the streamers call it "ROULETTE"

    mate, even if you have valid points, noone is going to read a post like this .Add some paragraphs, an empty line every now and then ..
  • CosmicFuzz
    839 posts Semi-Pro
    Now the House of Lords report has been released it is being picked up by almost every news agency, news website, gaming website, YouTubers etc etc
    This really does feel like the surprise mechanics era is finally over
    While most games have moved away from loot boxes EA are looking worse and worse with their denial of introducing gambling to kids and the way they are not changing their business practices without having their hand forced.
    This is turning into a bit of a PR disaster for them with the Fifa franchise truly in firing line
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16541 posts World Class
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    Now the House of Lords report has been released it is being picked up by almost every news agency, news website, gaming website, YouTubers etc etc
    This really does feel like the surprise mechanics era is finally over
    While most games have moved away from loot boxes EA are looking worse and worse with their denial of introducing gambling to kids and the way they are not changing their business practices without having their hand forced.
    This is turning into a bit of a PR disaster for them with the Fifa franchise truly in firing line

    Watched a video on a breakdown of the report last night and the evidence is overwhelming. Loot boxes are 100% gone in FIFA 21.
  • Del654
    864 posts Professional
    Fantastic news, about time aswell.
  • Mic2904
    2246 posts Fans' Favourite
    I keep saying that I’d rather lose UT then EA to continue the most rigged, fraud and at the same time poorest solution of an attempt to create a football video game that apparently is meant to be fun!
  • phep
    1518 posts Play-Off Hero
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I can’t see the media picking this up at all. There’s too much else going on in the world for this to make a splash, particularly when both the non-games media and majority of people reading/watching won’t fully be able to grasp what’s going on here.

    It's already been picked up by gameindustryndustrybiz
    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-07-02-house-of-lords-calls-for-loot-boxes-to-be-immediately-reclassified-as-gambling
    kotaku
    https://www.kotaku.co.uk/2020/07/02/the-house-of-lords-calls-for-immediate-loot-box-regulation
    BBC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53253195
    Eurogamer
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-02-loot-boxes-should-be-classed-as-gambling-says-house-of-lords

    Amongst others

    Three of those are video game press outlets. There’s zero shock in them picking up the story, and it’s almost certain that everyone who reads them is already well informed about what loot boxes are and what they mean. Yes, there’s also a BBC article, but having checked the website, it doesn’t appear anywhere on the front page, nor in the “most read”, and I think it’s doubtful it will appear on any of the news bulletins outside of maybe the 24h news channel. Simply put, this is not breaking through to the majority of people. It’s not headline news, meaning there’s absolutely no pressure from those who weren’t previously informed on the subject to do so.

    That doesn’t mean nothing will happen, it’s always possible the government will listen to the opinion of the lords, but I don’t expect any media pressure to do so.
  • Stone_cold_tea93
    3369 posts National Call-Up
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.
  • phep
    1518 posts Play-Off Hero
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.

    They can profit more by introducing a season pass option now though. Imagine a scenario where everyone can buy a season pass, for let’s say £10 per season, and the countries outside the UK/BEL can STILL buy packs? Now you’re basically doubling down on the profit.
  • Stone_cold_tea93
    3369 posts National Call-Up
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.

    They can profit more by introducing a season pass option now though. Imagine a scenario where everyone can buy a season pass, for let’s say £10 per season, and the countries outside the UK/BEL can STILL buy packs? Now you’re basically doubling down on the profit.

    You cant have the game remain how it is for some and then different for a small part of the player base.
  • Diggy
    14736 posts Has That Special Something
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.

    They can profit more by introducing a season pass option now though. Imagine a scenario where everyone can buy a season pass, for let’s say £10 per season, and the countries outside the UK/BEL can STILL buy packs? Now you’re basically doubling down on the profit.

    You cant have the game remain how it is for some and then different for a small part of the player base.

    Why not it’s already like that for Belgium
  • phep
    1518 posts Play-Off Hero
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.

    They can profit more by introducing a season pass option now though. Imagine a scenario where everyone can buy a season pass, for let’s say £10 per season, and the countries outside the UK/BEL can STILL buy packs? Now you’re basically doubling down on the profit.

    You cant have the game remain how it is for some and then different for a small part of the player base.

    But you can add new features (season pass) for everyone if you want, on top of what already exists.

    There is, however, the wildcard question of whether loot boxes will be allowed at all in the UK, or whether just paying for them with real money will be the problem. That would require a serious re-think.
  • Stone_cold_tea93
    3369 posts National Call-Up
    Diggy wrote: »
    phep wrote: »
    CosmicFuzz wrote: »
    I've posted this elsewhere but to all those worried about how the game would look without loot boxes it is not our concern as players.
    It's up to EA to provide a fun engaging game to keep us players buying their products. Like any company with a product to sell EA either adapts or dies.

    But everyone on this forum that plays this game only plays because they love football and this is the only representation of football on the planet available to them.

    He's right. The love of football can only get them so far. If things were to deteriorate even further they will lose the playerbase.

    People would move to PES or FM for their football fix.

    Nah mate... Same people will continue playing this game complaining about it in almost every thread whilst maintaining that they only play because they love football...

    ... That fifa hawk fella is one of the worst for it. :trollface:

    That's pretty fair 🤣
    Dont understand where all the excitement is coming from. Its only in the U.K this is going to happen. Fifa is a game played all over the world.

    They didnt change the FUT model when Belgium banned points and they wont if the U.K ban points.

    We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    Think you're underestimating the size of the market in the UK mate. It's not even comparable to Belguim. Not to mention many others will probably follow now.

    We're a tiny island, now granted we will have a high ratio of Fifa players but there are richer populations in the world that will be splashing in Fifa Points.

    Just imagine how much money will be spent in some of these oil rich countries. I dont think this will have the impact some anticipate.

    The UK playerbase will be locked out. Thats it.

    I can't see any scenario where EA do the same as they done with Belguim.

    What makes the U.K different?

    No disrespect to Belguim but the UK has a bigger pull than them. This will be a main story in the UK media and news if the government ban loot boxes because it's gambling for kids. EA will be aware of this and will make changes accordingly.

    The changes are already in place with seasons, it just needs to be monetised.

    I dont see it. We'll get the Belgium treatment.

    There is no reason to restructure the game to include the few when so many can still and will still play it as it currently is.

    They can profit more by introducing a season pass option now though. Imagine a scenario where everyone can buy a season pass, for let’s say £10 per season, and the countries outside the UK/BEL can STILL buy packs? Now you’re basically doubling down on the profit.

    You cant have the game remain how it is for some and then different for a small part of the player base.

    Why not it’s already like that for Belgium

    Belgium doesnt have a season pass system in place. That's my point.

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