Option to ban yourself from FIFA points should be mandatory

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  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    SuperKMx wrote: »
    invictus1 wrote: »
    Why not fix yourself rather than fixing the external factor. Stop giving reasons that you cant or you're addicted.

    OK, I have asperger's syndrome. One symptom of this is the ability to become very, very engrossed in, fixated on, or addicted to certain things far more easily than others.

    I've created a new Xbox Live and EA Account just for FIFA, and haven't linked any cards to it because its the only way. I've self-excluded from all casinos and online betting sites, aside from one, where I've put a very low deposit limit in place. That limit has essentially stopped me from even really wanting to place a bet in over a year. That's all the OP is asking for, essentially.

    But while we're here...from your position of ultimate judgement and understanding of the entire universe, please tell me how I go about "fixing myself."

    No doctor has an answer, so I'd be surprised if you did.

    I’m not sure he’ll have an answer for you tbh mate. He doesn’t seem like the sort that runs clinical trials and studies analysis of conditions, or even the type of person that can put together a reasonable argument fit for debate.

    You are another example of the type of person that would benefit from this and it’s something I hadn’t even considered. It’s not just people that are prone to gambling in the bookies etc.

  • SeaDawgBob
    1005 posts Professional
    This is actually a great idea, I understand most people should be able to contain themselves but it's actually a great idea, FUT is gambling, everyone knows it, they know it too, good idea and something Microsoft or Sony need to implement, because we know EA won't do it
  • Gnomenclature
    5928 posts Big Money Move
    Triplee123 wrote: »
    It’s not ea’s fault you can’t control yourself


    Unfortunately, lack of control is a symptom of dependence. Gambling affects the same reward centers in the brain that illicit drugs also employ - heroin, crack, etc. In fact, people who are already experiencing symptoms of depression, anxiety, and other mental illness are much more vulnerable to gambling addiction. If there is a propensity for tolerance, dependence, and withdrawal, then it can be classified as a addiction disease.


    Basically, EA (like all betting/gambling establishments) are preying on the most vulnerable populations in our community in order to fill their already over flowing pockets. Best thing you can do is delete all credit card info from being stored on the system - the extra step of inputing the card number may be enough of a deterrent to rethink your actions....
  • SuperKMx
    2037 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited May 23
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    SuperKMx wrote: »
    invictus1 wrote: »
    Why not fix yourself rather than fixing the external factor. Stop giving reasons that you cant or you're addicted.

    OK, I have asperger's syndrome. One symptom of this is the ability to become very, very engrossed in, fixated on, or addicted to certain things far more easily than others.

    I've created a new Xbox Live and EA Account just for FIFA, and haven't linked any cards to it because its the only way. I've self-excluded from all casinos and online betting sites, aside from one, where I've put a very low deposit limit in place. That limit has essentially stopped me from even really wanting to place a bet in over a year. That's all the OP is asking for, essentially.

    But while we're here...from your position of ultimate judgement and understanding of the entire universe, please tell me how I go about "fixing myself."

    No doctor has an answer, so I'd be surprised if you did.

    I’m not sure he’ll have an answer for you tbh mate. He doesn’t seem like the sort that runs clinical trials and studies analysis of conditions, or even the type of person that can put together a reasonable argument fit for debate.

    You are another example of the type of person that would benefit from this and it’s something I hadn’t even considered. It’s not just people that are prone to gambling in the bookies etc.

    Yeah, I'm expecting either no response from him, or something insulting.

    And yep, there are a number of groups outside of problem gamblers who would benefit from this sort of optional restriction. Heck, if it helps even one person to play in something of a more responsible manner, then it's worth doing.

    Self-exclusion from purchases for specific time periods, and purchase limits should be pretty much standard in videogames across the board by now. Here's hoping the console manufacturers get on board with it, because EA absolutely won't.
  • Ishibum
    14564 posts Has That Special Something
    If they introduced that (and I think they should btw), it would be an acknowledgement that FIFA points are a means to enable gambling. They don't want to lose that age rating...
  • CosmicFuzz
    839 posts Semi-Pro
    It is a good idea and one that EA probably have up their sleeve for when the eventual happens and the regulators finally catch on.
    Unfortunately it'll probably not be implemented until then.
  • invictus1 wrote: »
    Why not fix yourself rather than fixing the external factor. Stop giving reasons that you cant or you're addicted.

    People like you make my blood boil. The ignorance here is at the highest level. Maybe if you struggled in life at some point with an addiction you would understand and hopefully that never happens to you.

    I've struggled with several addictions in the past and have an addictive personality in general and my brother is pretty much on the road to killing himself with an addiction to alcohol. It's not as simple as just "fixing yourself" or people wouldn't continue killing themselves with their addictions. You should maybe get educated on this topic before posting comments like this in the future.

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  • Eroberto
    1521 posts Play-Off Hero
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    I’m speaking from experience, although not recent experience, I learnt how to invest and do some half hearted trading to get by, although that being said I do find myself buying the odd pack here and there on a promo. I always regret my decision afterwards, even if it’s a cheeky £7 on the basis that I actually dislike this company.

    In the past though I’d plough money in to the game almost uncontrollably. I do have a tendency to get carried away and lose all track of money spent etc. One thing that helped me majorly in the past and to some extent still to this day was the ability to ban myself from betting sites for a set period of time. If I’d wasted a couple of hundred over the weekend I’d feel horrible and ban myself from all betting sites for 3 months. I’m actually still banned from pretty much every casino in my area from years ago (by my request). I believe this decision should be imposed on EA and not down to their discretion. I believe it’d help a lot of people with problems controlling their spending habits.

    This is an absolutely genius idea but unfortunately, EA is the scummiest and greediest company on earth who take advantage of the people who would impose a self ban on themselves. EA would be the drug dealer that shows up to narcotics anonymous meetings to sell drugs to people in recovery so I can never see them providing this option but it’s something that they should 100% offer
  • lIlIlIlIlIl
    4717 posts National Call-Up
    The idea of imposing restrictions to pernicious habits is good in and of itself, and I support that. But see, you're focused on the wrong thing: you're trying to ameliorate the symptoms instead of dealing with the cause. You'd be much better off seeking professional counsel and try to tackle your addiction head on - because right now it evidently rules you.

    I've been burdened by multiple harmful addictions in the past; I've wasted plenty of critical productive years in my 20s when I was at the top of my mental peak, but I knew I had to get on top off the addictions before they got the best of me, and so I did everything in my power to make that happen.

    I suppose that's what the other guy meant as well by crudely saying 'fix yourself'.
  • Chavez76
    6097 posts Big Money Move
    invictus1 wrote: »
    Why not fix yourself rather than fixing the external factor. Stop giving reasons that you cant or you're addicted.

    People like you make my blood boil. The ignorance here is at the highest level. Maybe if you struggled in life at some point with an addiction you would understand and hopefully that never happens to you.

    I've struggled with several addictions in the past and have an addictive personality in general and my brother is pretty much on the road to killing himself with an addiction to alcohol. It's not as simple as just "fixing yourself" or people wouldn't continue killing themselves with their addictions. You should maybe get educated on this topic before posting comments like this in the future.

    asking for education on this forum.. not going to happen. Anything a person cant understand is concidered to be weird so a 'fix yourself' is the answer .. :(

    It is not that easy people.. Even if you can battle your inner demons like some people are stating (which, by the way, is damn impressive!) it will take years. And if it would be possile to ban yourself from being seduced to buy stuff, that would always be a good thing!
  • Queens11
    2309 posts Fans' Favourite
    Triplee123 wrote: »
    It’s not ea’s fault you can’t control yourself

    They should be Like any other Gambling organisation regulated and have measures put in place to ensure people are not becoming addicted
  • Queens11
    2309 posts Fans' Favourite
    invictus1 wrote: »
    Why not fix yourself rather than fixing the external factor. Stop giving reasons that you cant or you're addicted.

    Wow there’s always one
  • CosmicFuzz
    839 posts Semi-Pro
    The idea of imposing restrictions to pernicious habits is good in and of itself, and I support that. But see, you're focused on the wrong thing: you're trying to ameliorate the symptoms instead of dealing with the cause. You'd be much better off seeking professional counsel and try to tackle your addiction head on - because right now it evidently rules you.

    I've been burdened by multiple harmful addictions in the past; I've wasted plenty of critical productive years in my 20s when I was at the top of my mental peak, but I knew I had to get on top off the addictions before they got the best of me, and so I did everything in my power to make that happen.

    I suppose that's what the other guy meant as well by crudely saying 'fix yourself'.

    While seeking help for a long term fix is of course a good thing it would still be beneficial to have an option to restrict or remove the option of buying FP in the short term.
    To those who don't want or need the option it would have no negative effect whatsoever
  • Aguy9916
    1045 posts Professional
    Nice to see for a change that there are only a couple of trolls on this post trying to act smart but only looking like the dumbest of the dumb.
    It's absolutely a great idea and one of the most basic steps any responsible gambling company take. EA would argue that they are not a gambling company but one look at this system and the revenue created from it tells otherwise.

    I had a slip one year in this department and haven't spent a penny on the game since outside of buying cost. I used to spend £500 or so a year and was happy with that, I used to tell myself that it have me a lot of entertainment so was well worth it.

    A couple of years ago I had a strange year, I retired from motorbike racing and was off work injured for a few months, the combination of being home bored and having a lot of money coming in from selling various parts of my race setup meant I ended up spending £3k!!
    I knew I'd spent more than usual but i honestly thought it was maybe 1.5k but no it was double... I was mortified, I gave away my players and deleted my account.

    I came back the following year amd vowed not to spend again, i learned basic trading and it's at this point I realised exactly how much of a RIP off packs are... I had far more coins than ever just from simple trading and being smart with coins. Packs are an absolute con.

    I'm 40 years old with wife and child and usually very level headed, gambled on football my whole life in a healthy way and never let anything get out of control... raced motorbikes for many years so no stranger to adrenaline and other charged emotions.... yet this game got the better of me?? How are kids supposed to cope with it?

    The sooner points are banned the better. The game with a season pass subscription model and much fairer win rate for cards would be much more fun and rewarding for all involved.
  • warrent80
    714 posts Semi-Pro
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    I’m speaking from experience, although not recent experience, I learnt how to invest and do some half hearted trading to get by, although that being said I do find myself buying the odd pack here and there on a promo. I always regret my decision afterwards, even if it’s a cheeky £7 on the basis that I actually dislike this company.

    In the past though I’d plough money in to the game almost uncontrollably. I do have a tendency to get carried away and lose all track of money spent etc. One thing that helped me majorly in the past and to some extent still to this day was the ability to ban myself from betting sites for a set period of time. If I’d wasted a couple of hundred over the weekend I’d feel horrible and ban myself from all betting sites for 3 months. I’m actually still banned from pretty much every casino in my area from years ago (by my request). I believe this decision should be imposed on EA and not down to their discretion. I believe it’d help a lot of people with problems controlling their spending habits.

    This is a great idea mate and one of the better suggestions I've seen on these forums. Don't know why anyone would argue against this but I'm guessing they haven't had to deal with any kind of addictions in their lives. You will get the odd comment of people saying that people should have some self control but they clearly don't understand.

    This game needs to be regulated in some way and this would be a great first step.

    EA as a company needs to be regulated first. And It is definitely coming.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    @Fifa_Hawk_85 @lIlIlIlIlIl and others. I don’t want to mislead anyone, I do very much feel ‘fixed’ for the most part. I don’t want to overstate anything, my problems were a few years back. I do still recognise the capability within myself to occasionally lose control and I feel deeply for those that do it on a larger scale.

    What I’m proposing is for the broader audience of those that can get carried away as opposed to just focusing on actual addicts, although needless to say this would be massively beneficial to those people. I’d imagine many of us have looked at bank statements and decided ‘no more’. Only to buy another couple of packs on the very next promo. You two will know as well as any that those are dangerous patterns of thinking and could lead to bigger problems, which is why it’s necessary to have the facilities to nip it in the bud.
  • Diem
    296 posts Sunday League Hero
    This is a great idea for a number of reasons.

    Obviously the individual can take control of their spending, and as mentioned it does no harm to EA in public opinion.

    But another big advantage is that it has no impact on people who feel they have no need to use it. Unlike the "ban points / ban packs" reactions, this way means other players can continue as they choose to do today.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Aguy9916 wrote: »
    Nice to see for a change that there are only a couple of trolls on this post trying to act smart but only looking like the dumbest of the dumb.
    It's absolutely a great idea and one of the most basic steps any responsible gambling company take. EA would argue that they are not a gambling company but one look at this system and the revenue created from it tells otherwise.

    I had a slip one year in this department and haven't spent a penny on the game since outside of buying cost. I used to spend £500 or so a year and was happy with that, I used to tell myself that it have me a lot of entertainment so was well worth it.

    A couple of years ago I had a strange year, I retired from motorbike racing and was off work injured for a few months, the combination of being home bored and having a lot of money coming in from selling various parts of my race setup meant I ended up spending £3k!!
    I knew I'd spent more than usual but i honestly thought it was maybe 1.5k but no it was double... I was mortified, I gave away my players and deleted my account.

    I came back the following year amd vowed not to spend again, i learned basic trading and it's at this point I realised exactly how much of a RIP off packs are... I had far more coins than ever just from simple trading and being smart with coins. Packs are an absolute con.

    I'm 40 years old with wife and child and usually very level headed, gambled on football my whole life in a healthy way and never let anything get out of control... raced motorbikes for many years so no stranger to adrenaline and other charged emotions.... yet this game got the better of me?? How are kids supposed to cope with it?

    The sooner points are banned the better. The game with a season pass subscription model and much fairer win rate for cards would be much more fun and rewarding for all involved.

    This is a very good example of how it happens. The part that struck a cord with me was the part where you said you knew you’d spent a lot, around £1.5k Only to find out it was £3k. You lose all track and sense of rationale.

    As you said, how are kids meant to cope if a reasonable, responsible adult can get sucked in. A child’s mind is still developing and it’s extremely unhealthy to have these habitual patterns of thought from a young age.
  • IncredibleK
    198 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Completely agree with this. But don't see EA doing it as they don't class buying packs as gambling
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited May 23
    Completely agree with this. But don't see EA doing it as they don't class buying packs as gambling

    Let’s step away from the gambling aspect for a second and view it another way. They are a company which sells a product which people have trouble regulating their spending. It is their duty to offer some protection to those people.

    The gambling argument is a complex one so we’ll simplify it. We just want a means of regulation of spending.
  • SuperKMx
    2037 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited May 23
    The idea of imposing restrictions to pernicious habits is good in and of itself, and I support that. But see, you're focused on the wrong thing: you're trying to ameliorate the symptoms instead of dealing with the cause. You'd be much better off seeking professional counsel and try to tackle your addiction head on - because right now it evidently rules you.

    I've been burdened by multiple harmful addictions in the past; I've wasted plenty of critical productive years in my 20s when I was at the top of my mental peak, but I knew I had to get on top off the addictions before they got the best of me, and so I did everything in my power to make that happen.

    I suppose that's what the other guy meant as well by crudely saying 'fix yourself'.

    Well, no matter how you read it, the other guy was wrong.

    But "you're focused on the wrong thing" is incorrect, too. If you can give somebody the tools to pull themselves out of addiction and they use them, then they aren't just ameliorating the symptoms. They ARE tackling their addiction head-on.

    They're making the conscious decision to say "I want to be in control of this."

    The anger at the poster you mentioned is because he's basically saying "Screw you. I have decided that you shouldn't need any help" despite the fact that it absolutely would not affect him in any way, shape, or form if that help was provided as an option.

    Also, the first thing professional counsel will tell you - from experience - is to utilise all of the help and tools that you have available to you. Any gambling counsellor will tell you to self-exclude or put the minimum deposit limit in place right away.
  • SomeNextGuy
    4785 posts Big Money Move
    If there was an option for this then it'd have to be absolutely irreversible, otherwise it'd be pointless.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    If there was an option for this then it'd have to be absolutely irreversible, otherwise it'd be pointless.

    Totally agree!
  • graff
    85 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Sadly ea couldn't make money from this idea even though I'd like the option
  • NinthFall
    1754 posts Fans' Favourite
    Haven't spent a penny on packs this Fifa but would love this option.
  • Rich2015
    237 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited May 23
    Good idea

    can we also have the Fifa points hidden and have to be unlocked via an age verfication of 18 plus so we can protect children from the predatory gambling mechanics? maybe a credit card needs to be entered to buy them.

    its disgusting that EA are putting profit over childrens well being...they have the small amounts of Fifa points for a few pounds also so they can be even more predatory with kids and their pocket money..I see that as the equivillant to a packet of 10 cigarettes and it needs to be banned just like they were in the UK

    People like Castro should not be promoting this nonsense either as kids watch his stream.No matter how much he makes for charity it does not matter when he is promoting gambling to minors...

    When adults start having a problem with this stuff then you know it is out and out gambling and then children need to be protected

    EA makes loads of money yearly...billions....and so would william hill bookmakers if they let kids from the age of 3 and up bet on the football and horses

    why this comunity dont make i stand i will never know

    laughing stock of gaming

    and the most toxic
  • Murf1985
    663 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Rich2015 wrote: »
    Good idea

    can we also have the Fifa points hidden and have to be unlocked via an age verfication of 18 plus so we can protect children from the predatory gambling mechanics? maybe a credit card needs to be entered to buy them.

    its disgusting that EA are putting profit over childrens well being...they have the small amounts of Fifa points for a few pounds also so they can be even more predatory with kids and their pocket money..I see that as the equivillant to a packet of 10 cigarettes and it needs to be banned just like they were in the UK

    People like Castro should not be promoting this nonsense either as kids watch his stream.No matter how much he makes for charity it does not matter when he is promoting gambling to minors...

    When adults start having a problem with this stuff then you know it is out and out gambling and then children need to be protected

    EA makes loads of money yearly...billions....and so would william hill bookmakers if they let kids from the age of 3 and up bet on the football and horses

    why this comunity dont make i stand i will never know

    laughing stock of gaming

    and the most toxic

    People won’t make a stand because the people that are bothered by this are massively outnumbered.
    100% the packs aspect of FUT is gambling, they get around it by the fact that you have to buy in game currency to use ie it’s not actual gambling if it’s not real money. Obviously that’s not right but it’s how they get around it.
    The whole of FUT is a massive dopamine but designed to give you highs and crushing lows.
    It’s engrained in everything in this game, whether it’s buying packs, doing SBCs, doing objectives. It’s all risk vs reward, and let’s be honest the vast majority of people don’t have an issue with this but quite a lot of people do and they need protecting from themselves. People like Bateson and Castro make it look normal to spaff thousands of pounds on Fifa points.

  • Mackie17
    8468 posts League Winner
    If there was an option for this then it'd have to be absolutely irreversible, otherwise it'd be pointless.

    Not really, on the bookie sites if you want to change your spending cap it takes 2 weeks to go through, I've found the "urge" to spend more is usually gone when you can't get that instant choice to keep going.
  • Diem
    296 posts Sunday League Hero
    Mackie17 wrote: »
    If there was an option for this then it'd have to be absolutely irreversible, otherwise it'd be pointless.

    Not really, on the bookie sites if you want to change your spending cap it takes 2 weeks to go through, I've found the "urge" to spend more is usually gone when you can't get that instant choice to keep going.

    Indeed. Putting minor barriers in people's way can be enough of a disincentive to achieve substantial benefits
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