I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Don't get me wrong, Gomes may be a mistake & so may Chong, but you have to take your chances when you get them, this is why football is such a hard thing to get into, you may have thousands in the academy, but how many actually make it?? Those that take their chance & show the grit & determination... would Rashford be where he is if he didn't take his chance when Martial got injured? I doubt it... but here he is, that's an example.
I understand that...but what signs has Gomes shown in his senior appearances...that he's not got it? He's 100% shown that he's a better option at 10 than Mata, Pereira, and Lingard. Hell, he's arguably shown he's a better winger than Lingard.
If the whole hold up is a contract situation... it's a bit silly UNLESS he's demanding something ridiculous like 40k+ or something. But I highly doubt that's what's happening here. I'd be shocked to hear/read that he's ultimately pricing himself out of a contract.
I'm right there with you.
At the same time though, I admit that there may be issues that we're not aware of. I would like to know why both sides have acted/reacted as they have.
I said this towards the end of last season and I’ll say it again. We needed a year in the Europa League. It’s not been as demoralising as it’s made out to be (I know that the main concern was attracting top talents such as de Ligt and Sancho), even if it did start off slowly, if anything it's been a massive confidence boost, particularly for the likes of Greenwood.
With that in mind, how would you guys rank our season now that we’re at the halfway point? I’d say it’s been a success thus far, even if the dropped points against lower sides have been annoying. Our finishing can be dire at times (especially from 12 yards ), as seen against the likes of Villa, Everton and Spurs, but we’ve started picking up points against the other top six sides again, something we obviously struggled with last season. James and AWB have been fantastic, whilst Maguire is a clear upgrade on the Chuckle Brothers in defence. The only notable downside is this Pogba situation IMO, and that’s only because of the games he’s spent out rather than any alleged shenanigans off the pitch.
I’d give us a solid 7/10. I’m confident that, on current form, we can beat the teams that we dropped points against earlier in the campaign in the reverse fixtures.
Average 6/10.
Around where I would call “par” for this squad in the league (4-6th), through to the knockouts in EL as expected as group winners, and a good cup run in the EFL Cup too.
Football has improved as the season has gone on and a few bonus points for doing it without Le Sulk.
McTominay, Rashford, and Greenwood taking massive leaps forward and signings have been good too. Would’ve liked to see more from Martial (injuries rather than bad form when he has played) hence why I’ve changed my mind on going for Haland.
Honestly... where do you come up with these nicknames? You or are you pulling them from somewhere else?
Mix of pulling from twitter and originals.
Don’t think I saw Le Sulk elsewhere but Spiderman, Flash, and Brani Alves all from social media for example.
And all are bad
Each to their own.
like 90% of them are very cringe. lol. I don't understand the obsession with needing to have ridiculous nicknames for all of our players.
I don't even use the nicknames myself Nothing wrong if someone does want to use them though imo
How are you all saying Gomes hasn’t shown anything? That’s not the case at all. He’s been brilliant most times in the first team, would’ve had an assist and goal against Astana if it wasn’t for 2 world class saves.
but he doesn't... on the other end of that you could say if he would've put the chances away better he'd still have them...
He's mostly living off the youth academy hype, he's played a few times... he had one good game & the rest was okay but nothing special, the only reason he's being given the chance by people in the forum is because Lingard/mata dont do enough. Put it this way... if we had a competent number 10, would Gomes be getting many chances in that role? No...
But that's not necessarily the point he's making. He's arguing against your guys' point that he's not shown anything...and he's completely right to argue that. Gomes has definitely shown what he can do.
As I said earlier, I think one person is making that point from what I can see. Everyone else has been focusing on his contract situation.
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Don't get me wrong, Gomes may be a mistake & so may Chong, but you have to take your chances when you get them, this is why football is such a hard thing to get into, you may have thousands in the academy, but how many actually make it?? Those that take their chance & show the grit & determination... would Rashford be where he is if he didn't take his chance when Martial got injured? I doubt it... but here he is, that's an example.
I understand that...but what signs has Gomes shown in his senior appearances...that he's not got it? He's 100% shown that he's a better option at 10 than Mata, Pereira, and Lingard. Hell, he's arguably shown he's a better winger than Lingard.
If the whole hold up is a contract situation... it's a bit silly UNLESS he's demanding something ridiculous like 40k+ or something. But I highly doubt that's what's happening here. I'd be shocked to hear/read that he's ultimately pricing himself out of a contract.
I'm right there with you.
At the same time though, I admit that there may be issues that we're not aware of. I would like to know why both sides have acted/reacted as they have.
I just think that not playing because he's stalling on a contract is a bit silly, at least in his case where there's a pretty high probability that there's a decent player there. Play him and give him a chance to earn whatever contract he's supposedly working towards.
I said this towards the end of last season and I’ll say it again. We needed a year in the Europa League. It’s not been as demoralising as it’s made out to be (I know that the main concern was attracting top talents such as de Ligt and Sancho), even if it did start off slowly, if anything it's been a massive confidence boost, particularly for the likes of Greenwood.
With that in mind, how would you guys rank our season now that we’re at the halfway point? I’d say it’s been a success thus far, even if the dropped points against lower sides have been annoying. Our finishing can be dire at times (especially from 12 yards ), as seen against the likes of Villa, Everton and Spurs, but we’ve started picking up points against the other top six sides again, something we obviously struggled with last season. James and AWB have been fantastic, whilst Maguire is a clear upgrade on the Chuckle Brothers in defence. The only notable downside is this Pogba situation IMO, and that’s only because of the games he’s spent out rather than any alleged shenanigans off the pitch.
I’d give us a solid 7/10. I’m confident that, on current form, we can beat the teams that we dropped points against earlier in the campaign in the reverse fixtures.
Average 6/10.
Around where I would call “par” for this squad in the league (4-6th), through to the knockouts in EL as expected as group winners, and a good cup run in the EFL Cup too.
Football has improved as the season has gone on and a few bonus points for doing it without Le Sulk.
McTominay, Rashford, and Greenwood taking massive leaps forward and signings have been good too. Would’ve liked to see more from Martial (injuries rather than bad form when he has played) hence why I’ve changed my mind on going for Haland.
Honestly... where do you come up with these nicknames? You or are you pulling them from somewhere else?
Mix of pulling from twitter and originals.
Don’t think I saw Le Sulk elsewhere but Spiderman, Flash, and Brani Alves all from social media for example.
And all are bad
Each to their own.
like 90% of them are very cringe. lol. I don't understand the obsession with needing to have ridiculous nicknames for all of our players.
I don't even use the nicknames myself Nothing wrong if someone does want to use them though imo
I think the funniest may be brani Alves, one of the more creative nicknames 😂
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Glad I’m not on my own in here with this opinion. Gomes is going to be a very, very good player.
Also I’m all out on Pogba - in the summer. How anyone can look at our creative struggles and not want to have Pogba back for the next 5 months is crazy. Cutting off your nose to spite your face. Stick him in at 10 against the low blocks and he will thrive just like when Solskjaer took over, he was unstoppable for that period. Mostly against the lower teams which we cannot beat right now.
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Don't get me wrong, Gomes may be a mistake & so may Chong, but you have to take your chances when you get them, this is why football is such a hard thing to get into, you may have thousands in the academy, but how many actually make it?? Those that take their chance & show the grit & determination... would Rashford be where he is if he didn't take his chance when Martial got injured? I doubt it... but here he is, that's an example.
I understand that...but what signs has Gomes shown in his senior appearances...that he's not got it? He's 100% shown that he's a better option at 10 than Mata, Pereira, and Lingard. Hell, he's arguably shown he's a better winger than Lingard.
If the whole hold up is a contract situation... it's a bit silly UNLESS he's demanding something ridiculous like 40k+ or something. But I highly doubt that's what's happening here. I'd be shocked to hear/read that he's ultimately pricing himself out of a contract.
I'm right there with you.
At the same time though, I admit that there may be issues that we're not aware of. I would like to know why both sides have acted/reacted as they have.
I just think that not playing because he's stalling on a contract is a bit silly, at least in his case where there's a pretty high probability that there's a decent player there. Play him and give him a chance to earn whatever contract he's supposedly working towards.
It’s quite clear that Ole isn’t going to play anyone who isn’t 100% committed to the club
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Glad I’m not on my own in here with this opinion. Gomes is going to be a very, very good player.
@Southgatology - to clarify this as it keeps coming up - almost everyone in here thinks the same as you do about Gomes's talent - most people's comments are due to his contract situation and seeming refusal to sign a new one, not his ability.
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Glad I’m not on my own in here with this opinion. Gomes is going to be a very, very good player.
@Southgatology - to clarify this as it keeps coming up - almost everyone in here thinks the same as you do about Gomes's talent - most people's comments are due to his contract situation and seeming refusal to sign a new one, not his ability.
Not going to call anyone out but that’s definitely not true. Seen various comments stating ‘he hasn’t shown anything’.
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
Glad I’m not on my own in here with this opinion. Gomes is going to be a very, very good player.
@Southgatology - to clarify this as it keeps coming up - almost everyone in here thinks the same as you do about Gomes's talent - most people's comments are due to his contract situation and seeming refusal to sign a new one, not his ability.
Not going to call anyone out but that’s definitely not true. Seen various comments stating ‘he hasn’t shown anything’.
I’d tell Gomes and Chong my best plan for them moving forward and make them a reasonable offer (less than whatever Greenwood got).
If they say no, sit them with the kids until the end of the season and let them go on a free.
100% this.
Chong/Gomes havent impressed or shown what Greenwood or Williams has when they've played, so if they don't accept a deal thats okay for what they are/have produced, then that's up to them... but i certainly wouldn't keep them anywhere near the first team & i'd only (if ever) use them for one of them bloody cold nights in Russia etc to save the team from injuries.
End of the day, plenty more footballers out there & if you think you have a claim to something bigger & better without showing anything just because of media hype around you in the youth teams, then that's just your ego/agent ruining your career from the start (or atleast untill you get an ego check).
Gomes hasn't gotten anywhere near the amount of time that Greenwood has gotten... and that's largely due to our ST/Wingers being more thin than our midfield.
Gomes has solid every minute that he's been given by OGS. He's easily been reliable, composed, even on the few minutes he was given at LW. He's typically been one of the brighter players on the pitch when he's played for us.
Chong, I'm not fussed about. He's had plenty of time and has struggled more often than not. Gomes has hardly struggled.
Gomes, I think would be a mistake to let walk.
Imagine letting a talent like Gomes walk...with Lingard on 100k+, and rumored to be in talks for a new contract for more.
Greenwood is supposedly on 25k (Which was signed last season), that's a fair range for someone of Gomes' potential and age.
agree, Gomes is a talent too good to let go for the sake of an extra 5/10k a week. Give him the contract and give him a proper chance to show he is better than mata/lingaard/perriera as our no 10. Solskjaer has hardly given Gomes any minutes in our actual proper team, so how can he show his best
Any talented young players will be annoyed when the people ahead of them in their position have shown nothing / are out of form. It's like when Pogba left the first time, and we had the midfield injury crisis and instead of giving him a go we went with Fabio,Rafael .
Our current options at no 10 mean Gomes should definitely have got more minutes by this stage than he has.
It's like if instead of Martial & Rashford as our st's we had Smith and Welbeck, and Greenwood was hardly playing, then Greenwood would most likely think, ❤️❤️❤️❤️ this and look to leave
Just sign the contract Gomes ffs. He will get play time if he signs the contract, it's been the case for other academy players, it'll be the case for him.
Never said i don't think Gomes doesn't have the talent, more so that he hasnt shown some great display to earn that place anymore than mata, lingard, pereira etc... but if people want to mince my words as they don't understand it then carry on, either way he's not been good enough & I cba to keep arguing this, if he was good enough in training or in the matches he has played he'd be playing or atleast on the bench like Chong is, simple.
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I'm right there with you.
At the same time though, I admit that there may be issues that we're not aware of. I would like to know why both sides have acted/reacted as they have.
I don't even use the nicknames myself
As I said earlier, I think one person is making that point from what I can see. Everyone else has been focusing on his contract situation.
I just think that not playing because he's stalling on a contract is a bit silly, at least in his case where there's a pretty high probability that there's a decent player there. Play him and give him a chance to earn whatever contract he's supposedly working towards.
Him and Lallana, they are like new signings every year
I think the funniest may be brani Alves, one of the more creative nicknames 😂
Glad I’m not on my own in here with this opinion. Gomes is going to be a very, very good player.
Also I’m all out on Pogba - in the summer. How anyone can look at our creative struggles and not want to have Pogba back for the next 5 months is crazy. Cutting off your nose to spite your face. Stick him in at 10 against the low blocks and he will thrive just like when Solskjaer took over, he was unstoppable for that period. Mostly against the lower teams which we cannot beat right now.
I dont see that in Maddison.
We’ve officially reached the plane tracking phase of the transfer window
Brandon Williams, @SDoofus
Not quite liverpool fans level of it yet 😆 it’s being reported by actual news outlets. Not just random fans tracking flights
What does it say, the tweet won't show for me
@Southgatology - to clarify this as it keeps coming up - almost everyone in here thinks the same as you do about Gomes's talent - most people's comments are due to his contract situation and seeming refusal to sign a new one, not his ability.
I'd like to see the footage of him saying that, because that heavily implies he'll be sold in the summer.
Seems to have legs.
Not going to call anyone out but that’s definitely not true. Seen various comments stating ‘he hasn’t shown anything’.
Håland is flying in for talks with United currently.
From one person. Which is why I said almost everyone, you keep trying to suggest that most people in here don't rate him. That's not true at all.
And cheers for the Haaland tweet explanation.
agree, Gomes is a talent too good to let go for the sake of an extra 5/10k a week. Give him the contract and give him a proper chance to show he is better than mata/lingaard/perriera as our no 10. Solskjaer has hardly given Gomes any minutes in our actual proper team, so how can he show his best
Any talented young players will be annoyed when the people ahead of them in their position have shown nothing / are out of form. It's like when Pogba left the first time, and we had the midfield injury crisis and instead of giving him a go we went with Fabio,Rafael .
Our current options at no 10 mean Gomes should definitely have got more minutes by this stage than he has.
It's like if instead of Martial & Rashford as our st's we had Smith and Welbeck, and Greenwood was hardly playing, then Greenwood would most likely think, ❤️❤️❤️❤️ this and look to leave
Laurie seems confident.
Just sign the contract Gomes ffs. He will get play time if he signs the contract, it's been the case for other academy players, it'll be the case for him.
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