If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.
If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.
So if Messi came to the PL for 2 seasons, and scored 54 goals and registered 18 assists, winning the golden ball twice in a row whilst breaking the PL scoring record and winning POTY, he wouldn’t get in?
You have to remember... Messi's level that @El_Nino is talking about is above Salah's level in his prime season... Salah's level doesn't come close to the level we expect year upon year from Messi, which is why he said... if Messi came & played "at Messi level"
So suddenly longevity doesn’t matter? As long as you’re that good?
Sorry but why do the goalposts keep getting moved?
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.
If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.
So if Messi came to the PL for 2 seasons, and scored 54 goals and registered 18 assists, winning the golden ball twice in a row whilst breaking the PL scoring record and winning POTY, he wouldn’t get in?
You have to remember... Messi's level that @El_Nino is talking about is above Salah's level in his prime season... Salah's level doesn't come close to the level we expect year upon year from Messi, which is why he said... if Messi came & played "at Messi level"
So suddenly longevity doesn’t matter? As long as you’re that good?
Sorry but why do the goalposts keep getting moved?
What? No ones mentioned longevity? We’re simply saying Messi is a far better player than Salah. Hence 2 years of Messi would likely be enough, 2 years hasn’t been enough for Salah imo(and many others).
Longevity plays a factor like everything else. If prime Messi came for just two seasons it’d be enough. But for 99.9% it needs to be more like 3-4 years to compare.
There’s no definitive time needed, it’s just a factor.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.
If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.
So if Messi came to the PL for 2 seasons, and scored 54 goals and registered 18 assists, winning the golden ball twice in a row whilst breaking the PL scoring record and winning POTY, he wouldn’t get in?
You have to remember... Messi's level that @El_Nino is talking about is above Salah's level in his prime season... Salah's level doesn't come close to the level we expect year upon year from Messi, which is why he said... if Messi came & played "at Messi level"
So suddenly longevity doesn’t matter? As long as you’re that good?
Sorry but why do the goalposts keep getting moved?
What? No ones mentioned longevity? We’re simply saying Messi is a far better player than Salah. Hence 2 years of Messi would likely be enough, 2 years hasn’t been enough for Salah imo(and many others).
Longevity plays a factor like everything else. If prime Messi came for just two seasons it’d be enough. But for 99.9% it needs to be more like 3-4 years to compare.
There’s no definitive time needed, it’s just a factor.
VVD is the Messi of defenders but he isn’t getting into anyone’s team for some reason. Despite being insanely good since 2015/16.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
Are you including all comps?
In that case, Salah doesn’t have 72, he has 94.
No, just PL, PL team of the decade.
How are you getting those numbers for RVP, then?
26 goals and 15 assists in 12/13, 30 goals and 14 assists in 11/12.
If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?
That’s how I’m seeing it.
People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.
Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.
Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.
To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.
I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)
That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.
I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.
Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.
Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?
You say Salah took the **** in 2 seasons.
He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..
van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.
Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.
So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
Are you including all comps?
In that case, Salah doesn’t have 72, he has 94.
No, just PL, PL team of the decade.
How are you getting those numbers for RVP, then?
26 goals and 15 assists in 12/13, 30 goals and 14 assists in 11/12.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Cole was superb under Ancelotti at the start of the decade
Lol Transfermarkt record assists for things like winning a penalty. That is inaccurate.
Your biting at every single comment 😂
Just except that people disagree with your opinions? The majority of this thread haven’t got a Liverpool player in there team for a reason, all of Liverpool’s potential players are very much up for debate.
Transfer market has Salah down for 75 goal contributions in two years, RVP had 85(plus more longevity), and RVP has barely been mentioned as a contender.
Lol Transfermarkt record assists for things like winning a penalty. That is inaccurate.
Your biting at every single comment 😂
Just except that people disagree with your opinions? The majority of this thread haven’t got a Liverpool player in there team for a reason, all of Liverpool’s potential players are very much up for debate.
Transfer market has Salah down for 75 goal contributions in two years, RVP had 85(plus more longevity), and RVP has barely been mentioned as a contender.
I’m bitter for pointing out that Transfermarkt don’t record assists properly?
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
I could understand if people were complaining about TAA making the users’ team, but Salah is a no-brainer for me, especially as I’ve stuck to a 433 and put players in their actual positions. Otherwise, Kane gets in over Salah in a heartbeat.
Lol Transfermarkt record assists for things like winning a penalty. That is inaccurate.
Your biting at every single comment 😂
Just except that people disagree with your opinions? The majority of this thread haven’t got a Liverpool player in there team for a reason, all of Liverpool’s potential players are very much up for debate.
Transfer market has Salah down for 75 goal contributions in two years, RVP had 85(plus more longevity), and RVP has barely been mentioned as a contender.
I’m bitter for pointing out that Transfermarkt don’t record assists properly?
I Quoted a random one of your comments, I didn’t think it’d be hard to understand what I meant?
Your reasoning for belittling transfer markets is silly too, while it may not count technically an assist should really be anything that sets up a goal, winning a penalty or free kick that is scored 100% should be an assist.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
By that logic if Messi moved to the PL last summer but never played a game he would also make the team. Doesn't work like that.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
By that logic if Messi moved to the PL last summer but never played a game he would also make the team. Doesn't work like that.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
And if that were the only criteria then Suarez would be in the team.
I’m not going to argue over Baines and Robbo because I barely watched the former. But I’d actually put Vertonghen in ahead of both of them. Obviously he’s spent most of his career at CB, but his appearances at LB this year ensure that he fits my aforementioned criteria.
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
And if that were the only criteria then Suarez would be in the team.
There is no criteria. All I’ve done all night is defend why I think that actual talent > the length of time and pointed out some inconsistencies in people’s reasonings.
I don’t know why people always end up moaning at me whenever I have a debate, calling me names and whatnot. Sorry for debating, guys.
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So suddenly longevity doesn’t matter? As long as you’re that good?
Sorry but why do the goalposts keep getting moved?
RVP didn’t get 85 goal contributions
Don’t recall Kane getting 70 in 2 seasons either.
Van Persie had 41 in 12/13 and 44 in 11/12. (25 in 10/11 to stretch to this whole decade).
Kane had 36 in 16/17 and 33 in 17/18, so 69, not 70.
Better/similar to Salah's 2 seasons plus longevity, hard for him to make it over these 2, Hazard or Aguero.
What? No ones mentioned longevity? We’re simply saying Messi is a far better player than Salah. Hence 2 years of Messi would likely be enough, 2 years hasn’t been enough for Salah imo(and many others).
Longevity plays a factor like everything else. If prime Messi came for just two seasons it’d be enough. But for 99.9% it needs to be more like 3-4 years to compare.
There’s no definitive time needed, it’s just a factor.
Are you including all comps?
In that case, Salah doesn’t have 72, he has 94.
Ivanovic - VVD - Kompany - ?
Silva - Kante - Yaya - Hazard
Aguero - Kane
Would be mine. Vardy/RVP/Salah/KdB/Vertonghen/Terry/Cech bench. LB's are much of a muchness, Baines was probably consistent for the longest however Cole/Robertson have had better individual seasons.
No, just PL, PL team of the decade.
VVD is the Messi of defenders but he isn’t getting into anyone’s team for some reason. Despite being insanely good since 2015/16.
How are you getting those numbers for RVP, then?
His debut season at United
26 goals and 15 assists in 12/13, 30 goals and 14 assists in 11/12.
Incorrect.
Cole really wasn't that special in this decade imo. Robertson has 75 PL games for Liverpool, so basically 2 seasons. Don't think that's enough tbh. Baines has been the most consistent, but has also had a couple of really good seasons, he's the obvious choice for me.
Baines over Robertson is genuinely laughable.
Cole was superb under Ancelotti at the start of the decade
Your biting at every single comment 😂
Just except that people disagree with your opinions? The majority of this thread haven’t got a Liverpool player in there team for a reason, all of Liverpool’s potential players are very much up for debate.
Transfer market has Salah down for 75 goal contributions in two years, RVP had 85(plus more longevity), and RVP has barely been mentioned as a contender.
I’m bitter for pointing out that Transfermarkt don’t record assists properly?
Are they seriously forgetting about van Dijk’s time at Southampton?
Robbo's best season - 0 goals 12 assists
Baines' best season - 5 goals 11 assists
Robbo overall - 2 goals 21 assists
Baines overall - 28 goals 44 assists
He has had the better individual season for a far inferior side and obviously better longevity. The only thing that's laughable is you being deluded and arguing.
I Quoted a random one of your comments, I didn’t think it’d be hard to understand what I meant?
Your reasoning for belittling transfer markets is silly too, while it may not count technically an assist should really be anything that sets up a goal, winning a penalty or free kick that is scored 100% should be an assist.
Robertson is a far better fullback than Baines ever was.
By that logic if Messi moved to the PL last summer but never played a game he would also make the team. Doesn't work like that.
What?
And if that were the only criteria then Suarez would be in the team.
There is no criteria. All I’ve done all night is defend why I think that actual talent > the length of time and pointed out some inconsistencies in people’s reasonings.
I don’t know why people always end up moaning at me whenever I have a debate, calling me names and whatnot. Sorry for debating, guys.
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Again, didn’t watch enough of Zabaleta or Ivanović in their primes.