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  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    edited December 2019
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    2010-2020 is a decade as soon as it hits 2020 that decade has ended and a new one has begun.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    I hope your trolling because I seriously thought better of you than this.
    Believe it or not the number 2021 doesn’t come between 2010 and 2020, it actually comes after 2020.

    What’s that got to do with anything? If we win it this year, we’ve won it in the 2019/20 season. Why are you bringing up 2021?
  • Sellish
    10206 posts Has That Special Something
    Sigh
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    I hope your trolling because I seriously thought better of you than this.
    Believe it or not the number 2021 doesn’t come between 2010 and 2020, it actually comes after 2020.

    What’s that got to do with anything? If we win it this year, we’ve won it in the 2019/20 season. Why are you bringing up 2021?

    Yeah that comment was me being a dumb dumb, however the point still stands. Once 2020 begins that’s the start of a new decade
  • Sellish
    10206 posts Has That Special Something
    I just wanted to have a good conversation about the team of the decade..
    Good night.
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    Sellish wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    That’s one of the more ridiculous arguments I’ve seen. It’s incredibly clear what is meant by team of the decade 2010-2020, stop crying just because everyone isn’t shoving the entire Liverpool XI in there team.

    For my two cents:

    DDG
    Ivanovic—Terry—Kompany—Cole
    KDB—Kante—Toure—D.Silva
    Hazard—Aguero

    I’ve gone lose on positions to get all the mids I wanted in.

    Ooo I forgot about Ivanovic. Good shout.

    Guy was a monster. Admittedly not the greatest player ever but the league has lacked RBs, Zaba was a consistently good but never great player and TAA is world class going forward but really needs the Liverpool set up to excel, plus has much more limited playing time.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    I hope your trolling because I seriously thought better of you than this.
    Believe it or not the number 2021 doesn’t come between 2010 and 2020, it actually comes after 2020.

    What’s that got to do with anything? If we win it this year, we’ve won it in the 2019/20 season. Why are you bringing up 2021?

    Yeah that comment was me being a dumb dumb, however the point still stands. Once 2020 begins that’s the start of a new decade

    Football seasons are over 2 years though, so it doesn’t work like that.
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    I hope your trolling because I seriously thought better of you than this.
    Believe it or not the number 2021 doesn’t come between 2010 and 2020, it actually comes after 2020.

    What’s that got to do with anything? If we win it this year, we’ve won it in the 2019/20 season. Why are you bringing up 2021?

    Yeah that comment was me being a dumb dumb, however the point still stands. Once 2020 begins that’s the start of a new decade

    Football seasons are over 2 years though, so it doesn’t work like that.

    Mate when people say a team of the decade not one person(other than someone desperate to shoehorn a player they like in) has ever considered it 2010.5-2020.5, it’s 2010-2020, Liverpool didn’t win a title this decade. And for a lot of people your players don’t deserve a spot in the team of the decade because they haven’t done it for long enough.
  • arsenalap
    15121 posts World Class
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    edited December 2019
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    The PL started in 1992/93, so it’s been running for 27 years.

    We are in the third decade of the PL.

    In Switzerland it is illegal to own just one guinea pig.

    I guess we're shouting random facts?

    So if we win the PL, it’s been won in this decade. I look forward to seeing you all revise your teams at the end of the season.

    We're talking about this decade. 2010-2020.
    Not 2013-2023. Then we would have the discussion at the end of 2023.
    This is a new lvl of shoehorning.

    So if it’s 2010-2020, how does Liverpool winning the League this season not count?

    I hope your trolling because I seriously thought better of you than this.
    Believe it or not the number 2021 doesn’t come between 2010 and 2020, it actually comes after 2020.

    What’s that got to do with anything? If we win it this year, we’ve won it in the 2019/20 season. Why are you bringing up 2021?

    Yeah that comment was me being a dumb dumb, however the point still stands. Once 2020 begins that’s the start of a new decade

    Football seasons are over 2 years though, so it doesn’t work like that.

    Mate when people say a team of the decade not one person(other than someone desperate to shoehorn a player they like in) has ever considered it 2010.5-2020.5, it’s 2010-2020, Liverpool didn’t win a title this decade. And for a lot of people your players don’t deserve a spot in the team of the decade because they haven’t done it for long enough.

    Imagine saying that the likes of VVD, TAA and Salah being put into the team is shoehorning them in. That is an unbelievable take. Especially VVD, who is quite clearly the best CB the PL has seen in the last decade.

    Yet somehow he’s not even getting people’s 2nd CB spot :D
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    Exactly. There’s very sound logic for any name you’ve just mentioned.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    edited December 2019
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    RVP and Salah play in different positions. RVP is up against the likes of Aguero, not Salah, imo. I can’t think of any RWs that deserve to be ahead of Salah over the past decade. The man literally broke the PL scoring record and has also won the Golden Boot in every season he’s been here...
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    SDoofus wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    RVP and Salah play in different positions. RVP is up against the likes of Aguero, not Salah, imo. I can’t think of any RWs that deserve to be ahead of Salah over the past decade. The man literally broke the PL scoring record and has also won the Golden Boot in every season he’s been here...

    It depends how strict you want to be in terms of positioning, most people aren’t that strict, I’ve just got mids as mids rather than LM/RM etc
  • arsenalap
    15121 posts World Class
    edited December 2019
    SDoofus wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    RVP and Salah play in different positions. RVP is up against the likes of Aguero, not Salah, imo. I can’t think of any RWs that deserve to be ahead of Salah over the past decade. The man literally broke the PL scoring record and has also won the Golden Boot in every season he’s been here...

    Is it a set formation?

    If you're asking me for the best RW in the last decade then yes Salah is probably the answer.

    But.. it's not a set formation. It's just peoples team of the decade. And RVP was the winner 2 years in a row including a PL trophy so to me is as good as Salah if not slightly better. RVP also got 29 assists in the league in those 2 seasons..
  • Kellnerr
    5403 posts Big Money Move
    The decade is 2010-2019 btw, not 2020
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    Well most people have used a 433.
  • Apollo
    20659 posts Club Captain
    El_Nino wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    Exactly. There’s very sound logic for any name you’ve just mentioned.

    100%, VVD and Salah are genuine contenders for this. TAA hasn't done it for long enough though, I don't believe it can be justified including him in a team of the decade when he's played so little PL football, despite how good he's been in his career so far.
  • El_Nino
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    SDoofus wrote: »
    Well most people have used a 433.

    Even so that normally just equates to 3 attackers. That could be Kane/Aguero/RVP doesn’t need wingers
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    Apollo wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    Exactly. There’s very sound logic for any name you’ve just mentioned.

    100%, VVD and Salah are genuine contenders for this. TAA hasn't done it for long enough though, I don't believe it can be justified including him in a team of the decade when he's played so little PL football, despite how good he's been in his career so far.

    I also think people forget just how good Ivanovic was for his best 3 or so years, the guy was an absolute monster.

    I never see his name much in discussions like this but I honestly rate him so highly
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    edited December 2019
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the ❤️❤️❤️❤️ out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just a counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL (or CL) shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there
  • Keano
    20660 posts Club Captain
    El_Nino wrote: »
    Apollo wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    Exactly. There’s very sound logic for any name you’ve just mentioned.

    100%, VVD and Salah are genuine contenders for this. TAA hasn't done it for long enough though, I don't believe it can be justified including him in a team of the decade when he's played so little PL football, despite how good he's been in his career so far.

    I also think people forget just how good Ivanovic was for his best 3 or so years, the guy was an absolute monster.

    I never see his name much in discussions like this but I honestly rate him so highly

    Ngl forgot Ivanovic, else I would've put him in instead of Zabaleta.
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    Keano wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    Apollo wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I think theres an argument for VVD and Salah, but equally if someone doesnt have them in their teams fair enough.

    What separates Salah from RVP in a PL team of the decade? Not very much.

    I think the argument for VVD is quite strong though but Terry has an argument to.

    Exactly. There’s very sound logic for any name you’ve just mentioned.

    100%, VVD and Salah are genuine contenders for this. TAA hasn't done it for long enough though, I don't believe it can be justified including him in a team of the decade when he's played so little PL football, despite how good he's been in his career so far.

    I also think people forget just how good Ivanovic was for his best 3 or so years, the guy was an absolute monster.

    I never see his name much in discussions like this but I honestly rate him so highly

    Ngl forgot Ivanovic, else I would've put him in instead of Zabaleta.

    Not uncommon. I’m not sure why but he’s a player a lot forget about until mentioned. Never a superstar style player I guess. But phenomenal none the less.
  • arsenalap
    15121 posts World Class
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    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just a counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL (or CL) shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I dont understand why you're getting into such a debate about it.

    Salah has a very valid argument for being there, as do Aguero/Hazard for sure and then between RVP/Kane/Vardy.

    Personally I dont see an argument for KDB though as I think Kante and Silva are very much ahead of him, and Yaya is a pretty strong 3rd player.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there

    Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.

    I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.

    Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.

    Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the ❤️❤️❤️❤️ for 2 seasons out of 10?
  • El_Nino
    10901 posts Has That Special Something
    edited December 2019
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there

    Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.

    I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.

    Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.

    Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?

    I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.

    If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.
  • SDoofus
    6430 posts Big Money Move
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there

    Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.

    I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.

    Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.

    Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?

    I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.

    If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.

    So if Messi came to the PL for 2 seasons, and scored 54 goals and registered 18 assists, winning the golden ball twice in a row whilst breaking the PL scoring record and winning POTY, he wouldn’t get in?
  • arsenalap
    15121 posts World Class
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there

    Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.

    I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.

    Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.

    Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?

    You say Salah took the ❤️❤️❤️❤️ in 2 seasons.

    He got 72 goal contributions in those seasons, which is great dont get me wrong. But..

    van Persie got 85 goal contributions in 2 seasons including a premier league.

    Kane got 70 in 2 seasons, not to mention 3 other seasons with high contributions.

    So, RVP should be in this side, if not Kane. Aguero is not debatable and Hazard is in their for longevity. So for me that's the front 3. You can argue Salah but the argument is as good if not worse than the rest..
  • wth22
    11514 posts Has That Special Something
    I don't think KdB should be in either. Again due to longevity.
  • Keano
    20660 posts Club Captain
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    If Messi had decided to transfer over to, say, City, for a couple of seasons, let’s say, 2015/16 and 2016/17, and absolutely took the **** out of the League before moving back to Spain, would you seriously not include him?

    That’s how I’m seeing it.

    People are putting KDB in their teams, but he’s been playing at this level for probably a similar amount of time as Salah has... he doesn’t really have longevity either. He was great in 2016/17 and 2017/18, but missed most of 2018/19 through injury, and is now back for 2019/20. So 2 and a half seasons so far.

    Salah has been great for 2017/18, 2018/19 and this season. So, like KDB, 2 and a half seasons.

    Yes, KDB has PL titles, but he also played for this ridiculous City team. Had he played for Liverpool instead, he would be sitting on 0 PL titles so far. The PL trophy is a team award. City won the PL when he was out for the whole season, ffs. Picking a team of the decade is picking individual players, hence I think that winning the PL shouldn’t really mean you pick an inferior player over an superior one.

    To be clear, I’m not saying that KDB shouldn’t be in it, I’m saying that Salah has as much right to be in it as KDB has.

    I know I brought up winning the CL earlier but that was just w counter argument to not winning the PL. in reality, winning the PL shouldn’t really have a bearing on how good a player is individually. Imo, individual awards actually count for more, in this instance.

    I agree Salah has been phenomenal and there’s a serious argument for him being in, but my front 6 were Hazard/Aguero/Kante/Silva/KDB/Yaya, Salah hasn’t been any better than those played have been at there best imo(posibly better than peak Silva but such longevity with Silva)

    That’s why for me I don’t have Salah in there

    Why do you have KDB there, then? I just showed that they’ve both “done it” for 2 and a half seasons.

    I also showed that using PL trophies as a reason is silly, because City won one virtually without KDB anyway. Being lucky enough to be a part of a title winning team shouldn’t dictate your place in the line up, imo. Talent is talent.

    Salah has a POTY, KDB doesn’t.

    Also, just to clarify, Messi wouldn’t get in your team if he came to the PL and took the **** for 2 seasons out of 10?

    I picked KDB not because of longevity or trophies. Simply I think he’s a better player than Salah, simple as that.

    If Messi came for 2 seasons and played at Messi level he’d get in, if he had the two seasons Salah had then no he would just get edged out by the likes of KDB.

    So if Messi came to the PL for 2 seasons, and scored 54 goals and registered 18 assists, winning the golden ball twice in a row whilst breaking the PL scoring record and winning POTY, he wouldn’t get in?

    You have to remember... Messi's level that @El_Nino is talking about is above Salah's level in his prime season... Salah's level doesn't come close to the level we expect year upon year from Messi, which is why he said... if Messi came & played "at Messi level"
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