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  • El_Nino
    3663 posts National Call-Up
    edited October 17

    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.
    Yes absolutely any sensible fan would take Allegri every day of the week.

    A few United fans in here seem convinced sticking with Ole is their best chance, and honestly at this point it’s just loyalty to a manager over the club.

    Anyone who think Ole has a better chance at taking the club forward ahead of someone like Allegri needs their head checking honestly.
  • wth22
    10226 posts Has That Special Something
    Sellish wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.

    Ole doesn't want to play defensive football.
    He does that now because he feel we aren't good enough probably. We all believe that our football now is bad but Mourinho wanted to play defensive for example. Ole doesn't.

    So we were good enough to play offensive football under Jose but not Ole? This mental gymnastics to justify Ole being clueless in general is absolutely hilarious :lol:

    When Real Madrid were good enough not to play defensive football under Mourinho, were they playing defensive football when they scored 120 goals a season?
  • wth22
    10226 posts Has That Special Something
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. Apollo Sellish

    The choice is potential long term success under a manager who can actually manage or guaranteed short and possible long term failure under a glorified cheerleader still only in a job because he's a club legend.
  • XxRichiexRichxX
    32041 posts National Team Captain
    Who is actually to blame for our poor transfer window?? Ole or those above?

    Ed, but primarily Judge for his sluggish negotiations.
  • Sellish
    9410 posts League Winner
    wth22 wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.

    Ole doesn't want to play defensive football.
    He does that now because he feel we aren't good enough probably. We all believe that our football now is bad but Mourinho wanted to play defensive for example. Ole doesn't.

    So we were good enough to play offensive football under Jose but not Ole? This mental gymnastics to justify Ole being clueless in general is absolutely hilarious :lol:

    When Real Madrid were good enough not to play defensive football under Mourinho, were they playing defensive football when they scored 120 goals a season?

    That was 6 years ago. He is not the same anymore. Let it go.
  • Ahmer50x
    19176 posts World Class
    wth22 wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.

    Ole doesn't want to play defensive football.
    He does that now because he feel we aren't good enough probably. We all believe that our football now is bad but Mourinho wanted to play defensive for example. Ole doesn't.

    So we were good enough to play offensive football under Jose but not Ole? This mental gymnastics to justify Ole being clueless in general is absolutely hilarious :lol:

    When Real Madrid were good enough not to play defensive football under Mourinho, were they playing defensive football when they scored 120 goals a season?

    It’s almost like Mourinho spending record wages on a winger and buying a 90m midfielder and 75m striker both of his choice creates attacking expectation. Weird.
  • wth22
    10226 posts Has That Special Something
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    wth22 wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.

    Ole doesn't want to play defensive football.
    He does that now because he feel we aren't good enough probably. We all believe that our football now is bad but Mourinho wanted to play defensive for example. Ole doesn't.

    So we were good enough to play offensive football under Jose but not Ole? This mental gymnastics to justify Ole being clueless in general is absolutely hilarious :lol:

    When Real Madrid were good enough not to play defensive football under Mourinho, were they playing defensive football when they scored 120 goals a season?

    It’s almost like Mourinho spending record wages on a winger and buying a 90m midfielder and 75m striker both of his choice creates attacking expectation. Weird.

    And Ole had all of the very same players at his disposal...

    We've gone from "oh at least Ole plays good football" to "he can't play good football with the same players + 150m spending as Jose but Jose should have remade Brazil 1970s!" :lol:
  • Gervonta
    4058 posts National Call-Up
    wth22 wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    wth22 wrote: »
    Sellish wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.

    Ole doesn't want to play defensive football.
    He does that now because he feel we aren't good enough probably. We all believe that our football now is bad but Mourinho wanted to play defensive for example. Ole doesn't.

    So we were good enough to play offensive football under Jose but not Ole? This mental gymnastics to justify Ole being clueless in general is absolutely hilarious :lol:

    When Real Madrid were good enough not to play defensive football under Mourinho, were they playing defensive football when they scored 120 goals a season?

    It’s almost like Mourinho spending record wages on a winger and buying a 90m midfielder and 75m striker both of his choice creates attacking expectation. Weird.

    And Ole had all of the very same players at his disposal...

    We've gone from "oh at least Ole plays good football" to "he can't play good football with the same players + 150m spending as Jose but Jose should have remade Brazil 1970s!" :lol:

    Mourinho couldn’t remake Brazil 1970’s with city’s squad let alone ours.

  • Apollo
    15744 posts World Class
    El_Nino wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.
    Yes absolutely any sensible fan would take Allegri every day of the week.

    A few United fans in here seem convinced sticking with Ole is their best chance, and honestly at this point it’s just loyalty to a manager over the club.

    Anyone who think Ole has a better chance at taking the club forward ahead of someone like Allegri needs their head checking honestly.

    I really don't know how many times this needs to be said, @El_Nino .... that's not the case at all . The vast majority of us still supporting Ole absolutely acknowledge that he might fail and we might need to make a managerial change a bit further on in the season if results don't turn around, but want him to be given more time before making that change.

    That is in no way saying that sticking with Ole is our best chance, your suggestion that that's what people are thinking is massively off the mark.
  • Ahmer50x
    19176 posts World Class
    “Ole has also instilled the discipline back into an environment where we may have lacked it in recent years. He is building a squad that respects the club's history, in which players work hard and respect their team-mates. No-one is bigger than the club." -Ed Woodward

    Woodward taking shots at Mourinho :joy:
  • Kellnerr
    2737 posts Fans' Favourite
    So you are not good enough to play attacking football but the likes of Norwich or Bournemouth are? Interesting indeed...
  • Pietu
    2752 posts Fans' Favourite


    A brilliant 30min documentary about Liverpool-United rivalry. 2 of the greatest teams with so much in common.

    The absolutely best bit is at 20:00, never has truer words been spoken, those people are scums, worst of the worst with no respect towards anybody, it needs to stop. Don’t care who they are it somehow needs to stop!

    Was great to learn a bit about before the rivalry, in a way it all was so much better back then, you could actually go to an away match and you would be taken care of, that's how it should be, not like how it's now that you can't support your team without being afraid of getting attacked. That's not football, that shouldn't be football, you shouldn't be afraid of showing your colours, your pashion towards the game we all love, instead people should respect that, respect other people, after all we all love football and football without fans is nothing.
  • El_Nino
    3663 posts National Call-Up
    Apollo wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.
    Yes absolutely any sensible fan would take Allegri every day of the week.

    A few United fans in here seem convinced sticking with Ole is their best chance, and honestly at this point it’s just loyalty to a manager over the club.

    Anyone who think Ole has a better chance at taking the club forward ahead of someone like Allegri needs their head checking honestly.

    I really don't know how many times this needs to be said, @El_Nino .... that's not the case at all . The vast majority of us still supporting Ole absolutely acknowledge that he might fail and we might need to make a managerial change a bit further on in the season if results don't turn around, but want him to be given more time before making that change.

    That is in no way saying that sticking with Ole is our best chance, your suggestion that that's what people are thinking is massively off the mark.

    I’m saying you need your head checking if you wouldn’t sack Ole immediately to get Allegri in, would you sooner keep Ole right now, even if Allegri was willing to come?
  • Ahmer50x
    19176 posts World Class
    El_Nino wrote: »
    Apollo wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    "The choice is simple: potential long-term success under Solskjær or guaranteed long-term failure under a load of different managers"

    Excellent piece. @Apollo @Sellish

    But how do they know it would be guaranteed long-term failure under different managers? That's just guessing

    Because the first one would be the Italian Mourinho.

    I will be very angry if we replace Ole with Allegri.

    Why though? Ole plays defensive, counter attacking football and has an awful CV.

    Allegri plays defensive football but has an incredible CV.

    Any sane fan would go for Allegri over Ole, Allegri is the best that’s currently available.
    Yes absolutely any sensible fan would take Allegri every day of the week.

    A few United fans in here seem convinced sticking with Ole is their best chance, and honestly at this point it’s just loyalty to a manager over the club.

    Anyone who think Ole has a better chance at taking the club forward ahead of someone like Allegri needs their head checking honestly.

    I really don't know how many times this needs to be said, El_Nino .... that's not the case at all . The vast majority of us still supporting Ole absolutely acknowledge that he might fail and we might need to make a managerial change a bit further on in the season if results don't turn around, but want him to be given more time before making that change.

    That is in no way saying that sticking with Ole is our best chance, your suggestion that that's what people are thinking is massively off the mark.

    I’m saying you need your head checking if you wouldn’t sack Ole immediately to get Allegri in, would you sooner keep Ole right now, even if Allegri was willing to come?

    Typical modern football mentality. Always focused on jumping ship for something perceived as better.

    We did that already from LVG to Jose.

    We need to stick with a long term plan for once. Ignore other options.
  • SDoofus
    5759 posts Big Money Move
    Apparently Ole has a better record in his first 29 games for United, than Klopp did for Liverpool.
  • ViVaWhom
    8250 posts League Winner
    edited October 18
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Apparently Ole has a better record in his first 29 games for United, than Klopp did for Liverpool.

    well his first month or so were all wins... we have been absolute trash since

    Klopp was more inconsistent
  • Teh Zombz
    3861 posts National Call-Up
    why does ole keep getting compared to klopp
  • Ahmer50x
    19176 posts World Class
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Apparently Ole has a better record in his first 29 games for United, than Klopp did for Liverpool.

  • ViVaWhom
    8250 posts League Winner
    Teh Zombz wrote: »
    why does ole keep getting compared to klopp

    because liverpool fans have to make everything about themselves

    and deluded united fans think Ole is building Klopps liverpool
  • Ahmer50x
    19176 posts World Class


    Given how accurate Sky were on us this summer, it seems like this has legs.

    Double swoop for Can and Mandzu from Juve maybe?

    I'd be happy with that. Not a world beater but at least we'd have another option that is competent after McT and Pogba instead of having to resort to **** Matic and Fred.
  • SDoofus
    5759 posts Big Money Move
    What scoreline are you expecting on Sunday?
  • Apollo
    15744 posts World Class
    SDoofus wrote: »
    What scoreline are you expecting on Sunday?

    It's massively dependent on whether AWB, Martial and Shaw are fit enough to start. It goes without saying that if they're all only fit enough for the bench our starting XI will be so much worse and the prediction would change
  • arsenalap
    5756 posts Big Money Move
    Can would be a solid signing for you as long as his wages aren't huge.
  • UM4R
    3969 posts Moderator
    edited October 18
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    Given how accurate Sky were on us this summer, it seems like this has legs.

    Double swoop for Can and Mandzu from Juve maybe?

    I'd be happy with that. Not a world beater but at least we'd have another option that is competent after McT and Pogba instead of having to resort to **** Matic and Fred.

    hmmm dunno we need another option in midfield, but he's never been consistent enough on his day a good player, but those days are few and far between

    our entire midfield needs a rehaul, Fred and Matic needs to be gone, Mata is sadly no longer good enough , Lingaard never was. And questions over if Pogba will be here past the summer

    leaves McT (decent for now, but will need to improve a lot if he is to remain as first choice when we are back challenging for the title) as the only option and Perriera (who should be used as cm, backup)

    Tielemans was a huge miss this summer we should've made a concrete bid for him



  • Apollo
    15744 posts World Class
    UM4R wrote: »
    Tielemans was a huge miss this summer we should've made a concrete bid for him

    Don't remind us. :disappointed:

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  • wth22
    10226 posts Has That Special Something
    SDoofus wrote: »
    What scoreline are you expecting on Sunday?

    0-0
  • Flapjack
    6966 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 18
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    Given how accurate Sky were on us this summer, it seems like this has legs.

    Double swoop for Can and Mandzu from Juve maybe?

    I'd be happy with that. Not a world beater but at least we'd have another option that is competent after McT and Pogba instead of having to resort to **** Matic and Fred.

    Probably in the minority but I actually really rated Can whilst he was at Liverpool. His career seems to have taken a nose dive ever since he left though.
  • SDoofus
    5759 posts Big Money Move
    Seen people mocking it on social media, saying he's a Liverpool reject, but he wasn't. We wanted him to stay and offered him a new contract.
  • Apollo
    15744 posts World Class
    edited October 18
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Seen people mocking it on social media, saying he's a Liverpool reject, but he wasn't. We wanted him to stay and offered him a new contract.

    The thing I'm seeing that is just as wrong as that is that people are annoyed at the rumour as we should be signing someone like Fernandes, completely forgetting the fact that they play different positions and we also want a signing at 10 as well as a central midfielder signing that Can would be :D
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