Lootboxes, suprise mechanics and spending on points.

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Dronegan
1084 posts Professional
Hey guys.

Ive been playing the Ultimate team since release. Most of you already know this, but just want to put some things into perspective when it comes to buying Fifa points.


I played fifa 19 from release until January, where i just couldn´t bother with the game anymore because it honestly is a pile of ****.
I had a discussion today with some co-workers about micro-transactions and it all ended up with everyone checking their bank accounts on how much exactly everyone spends on micro-transactions in the games they play.

So i got pretty shocked. In 6 month i spent 23 000 swedish krones which is roughly 2150 Euro or 2340 dollars.
Fifa 18 that i played longer i spent 37 000 Swedish krones.

So what does that buy you exactly in game? Well this is my team in Fifa19. Its actually better than my team in Fifa18 where i spend even more money.


So this team was worth around 4 million coins at the time. The coins i earned from rewards usually Gold 1 with a few elite 3 placements. Note that the Kanté i had was red.
So around 1000 games played overall, 2150 euro in Fifa points , + rewards got me this team i January. And usually after half of my futchamp games was done i had the worst team out of me and my opponent for the last 15 games.



This is what 2150 Euro gets you in 6 months.


L1LhpSt.png





The point of this thread is not to get people to not spend money on the game. Just wanted to share my story, and honestly i got a little bit of a shock how much i spend when i counted it all togehter.

Comments

  • Greezyweezy101
    1077 posts Professional
    My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.
  • Jrmcsorley85
    89 posts Park Captain
    edited August 23
    spend any psn vouchers I get at xmas on points.. about my limit.
  • Grezzerk
    903 posts Semi-Pro
    You must of been ridiculously unlucky or just wasted your coins on sbc players you then later traded in.
    I’m not saying this to sound a **** but how on earth could you of spent that much and only got that team? That works out at nearly $3500 (Australian $ that is) Im pretty sure I’ve spent less than that but for arguments sake just say I spent same as you. I’ve done loads of player sbcs as I always get sucked in somehow and this my end team. I didn’t even play weekend league much and most my rewards come from squad battles.
  • Mrhey31
    1277 posts Professional
    Not spend more than 10$ ever. And have packed multiple icons, Messi 2x , Ronaldo TOTS. It has nothing to do with spending money. It has to do with luck, opening a lot of packs( gives you more chances).

    But I will never understand people spending those amounds of money and then after complain. I complain about the pack odds, not because it costs me money but I want to pack good cards. Spending money doesn’t mean you get good cards it just means you get a little bit beter odds than somebody else.
  • d3b4s1s
    121 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    This my first year of FUT too. I’m a division 6-5 player and i’ve had similar/better teams(no icons) without spending a single penny on FIFA points. And i hardly play FUT champs. Just rivals, squad battles and SBCs. I’ve changed my team several times to have fun but honestly stopped caring because the game consistently remains to be, as quoted by you, a pile of ****.

    As an experiment, i’m now playing with a 83-84 rated gold squad and can’t tell if having a better team made a difference. Yes, even at this phase of the game, where most players have 99 shooting/stamina/passing/interceptions, my win/loss ratio is still the same. One’d say maybe coz i suck at this game. I’d say maybe i like to play it like football without abusing the exploits.
  • Grezzerk
    903 posts Semi-Pro
    edited August 23
    Mrhey31 wrote: »
    Not spend more than 10$ ever. And have packed multiple icons, Messi 2x , Ronaldo TOTS. It has nothing to do with spending money. It has to do with luck, opening a lot of packs( gives you more chances).

    But I will never understand people spending those amounds of money and then after complain. I complain about the pack odds, not because it costs me money but I want to pack good cards. Spending money doesn’t mean you get good cards it just means you get a little bit beter odds than somebody else.

    I spend big money like that but I like a gamble and at the time I was working for myself here in Australia so was earning really good money so didn’t seem like much. Works slowed down and I’m not working for myself anymore so I wouldn’t drop 4600/12k fifa points here and there for fun of it. A lot of money to one guy is a little to someone else and that’s what people on this forum don’t seem to comprehend. In saying that I mean small amounts here and there not 2k at once. Saying that I’ve never complained at pack odds. I actually like the pack odds as they are right now even after spending that money.

    Edit: apart from pack odds for low end icons. I think the odds for them need to increase because some of them are pretty terrible but not being packed keeping there value up making them completely pointless. Some would be great at start if fifa but then a few months in become obsolete.
  • Jrmcsorley85
    89 posts Park Captain
    d3b4s1s wrote: »
    This my first year of FUT too. I’m a division 6-5 player and i’ve had similar/better teams(no icons) without spending a single penny on FIFA points. And i hardly play FUT champs. Just rivals, squad battles and SBCs. I’ve changed my team several times to have fun but honestly stopped caring because the game consistently remains to be, as quoted by you, a pile of ****.

    As an experiment, i’m now playing with a 83-84 rated gold squad and can’t tell if having a better team made a difference. Yes, even at this phase of the game, where most players have 99 shooting/stamina/passing/interceptions, my win/loss ratio is still the same. One’d say maybe coz i suck at this game. I’d say maybe i like to play it like football without abusing the exploits.

    I spend very little and have 90 rated team, all by doing SBC's.. love doing that, I play rivals and squad battles, granted I can never get put division 8, as am a **** player, but still enjoy doing the tasks lol
  • Grezzerk
    903 posts Semi-Pro
    My bad, didn’t realise you said until January. Don’t even know what my team was in January exactly but I’m pretty confident it was a lot better than that still.
  • Pooter
    2074 posts Fans' Favourite
    My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.

    OMG, the irony of it all. I packed CR7 in this version. Yup, you've guessed it, I didn't spend a dime extra on the game. Though I was really hoping for either Mbappe and/or Neymar/Messi, but I guess since I packed CR7, all hopes of getting the rest disappeared after that
  • Azof
    16615 posts World Class
    Playing since 12, spent no more than 150 quid.

    Trading is easy + get some self control
  • My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.

    9 grand is absolutely ridiculous, I'm sorry I don't care how rich someone is, no wonder nothing gets done with gameplay/servers etc when mugs like u spend a tonne, sorry to be so blunt 😉
  • Chavez76
    2716 posts Fans' Favourite
    My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.

    9 grand is absolutely ridiculous, I'm sorry I don't care how rich someone is, no wonder nothing gets done with gameplay/servers etc when mugs like u spend a tonne, sorry to be so blunt 😉

    yeah everything wrong in the game is all his fault ....
  • I'm kind of shocked to be honest. That's a lot of mi ey to put in a game. Especially because your team is good, but not 2150 good.

    This is my team. Spent 0.


    Screenshot-20190823-115800-com-ea-gp-fifaultimate.jpg


    I hope you can control your spending this year. 2150 buys you a lot of pretty things.

  • Chavez76 wrote: »
    My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.

    9 grand is absolutely ridiculous, I'm sorry I don't care how rich someone is, no wonder nothing gets done with gameplay/servers etc when mugs like u spend a tonne, sorry to be so blunt 😉

    yeah everything wrong in the game is all his fault ....

    Well with money rolling in why would ea need to bother changing things
  • otutsarTR
    74 posts Park Captain
    I buy points. Have always done.

    Married with kids and busy worklife
    So i am buying the time with fp i/o grinding, am an avrg player as well, so not much weekly rewards.

    But am lucky on packs, this year pulled 2xCR back to back and 99 messi, a few icons. Let alone tots players. Half of big pulls came from sbc packs tough.
  • Jonboyparker
    5284 posts Big Money Move
    £0 on points.

    Why is everyone is such a rush to get a good team? There’s 1 year of Fifa. If you play the game, it lets you have a conpetive game throughout. You just have to be smart and not waste coins.

    Your team looks decent for that stage of the game but I can see there’s plenty of coins wasted when cheaper cards would of done just as good, if not better.

    I get why people spend real money. Because the only way to get the best players are through luck, packs, trading or hitting top WL rewards. But I think 90% do it for the wrong reasons. Better cards aren’t necessary unless competing at the top.

    I’ve used nearly all the top cards on the game and still have coins spare.
  • Chavez76
    2716 posts Fans' Favourite
    otutsarTR wrote: »
    I buy points. Have always done.

    Married with kids and busy worklife
    So i am buying the time with fp i/o grinding, am an avrg player as well, so not much weekly rewards.

    But am lucky on packs, this year pulled 2xCR back to back and 99 messi, a few icons. Let alone tots players. Half of big pulls came from sbc packs tough.

    I think this pretty much the truth. There's 2 ways to get a good team:

    - invest time (playing / trading)
    - invest money

    If you dont have the time to play much / trade much, the only way to get cards is to invest money.
    I agree that the persons investing money are the 'EA money makers' but I dont blame them...
  • EA_Joz
    355 posts EA Moderator
    otutsarTR wrote: »
    I buy points. Have always done.

    Married with kids and busy worklife
    So i am buying the time with fp i/o grinding, am an avrg player as well, so not much weekly rewards.

    But am lucky on packs, this year pulled 2xCR back to back and 99 messi, a few icons. Let alone tots players. Half of big pulls came from sbc packs tough.

    @otutsarTR Pass on that luck mate haha I can relate, so probably going to buy a few packs here and there to make up for the time that I can't grind. Still with some self-control though.
  • Jonboyparker
    5284 posts Big Money Move
    edited August 23
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    otutsarTR wrote: »
    I buy points. Have always done.

    Married with kids and busy worklife
    So i am buying the time with fp i/o grinding, am an avrg player as well, so not much weekly rewards.

    But am lucky on packs, this year pulled 2xCR back to back and 99 messi, a few icons. Let alone tots players. Half of big pulls came from sbc packs tough.

    I think this pretty much the truth. There's 2 ways to get a good team:

    - invest time (playing / trading)
    - invest money

    If you dont have the time to play much / trade much, the only way to get cards is to invest money.
    I agree that the persons investing money are the 'EA money makers' but I dont blame them...

    Yeah trading takes time and so does playing. But if you set realistic goals and targets throughout the year I honestly think it’s not too bad. It take a bit of practice like any game but once you see the trends and stop getting caught up in the hype it’s starts to get better.

    An average player can play a year of Fifa without chasing the best players at that time they are realised and still end up with the best team at the end of Fifa. The team is still competitive and in most cases you can get some players you really want,

    I trade and I play but I don’t invest days on the game. I don’t chase the 50-100mil. I just ended on 35mil after missing 3 months of the game. And I’ve only ever taken Untradable DR rewards and put players in sbcs that don’t count. I only get 11-17 wins on WL if I have time because I spend most of my weekends with my wife and kids and only play when they are in bed or not there. I’ve packs 3 high value players all year with no good reds (Auba 900k, ADP 1mil, Kante 300k). It’s not huge but I can’t conplain compared to some.

    I do get why some people buy points and I don’t have an issue with them doing so. I’m not a real believer of P2W becuase I don’t think it really give a massive advantage. The top players will always be near the top regardless of their teams. I just can’t get past the rush to get the best players.
  • otutsarTR
    74 posts Park Captain
    edited August 23
    EA_Joz wrote: »
    otutsarTR wrote: »
    I buy points. Have always done.

    Married with kids and busy worklife
    So i am buying the time with fp i/o grinding, am an avrg player as well, so not much weekly rewards.

    But am lucky on packs, this year pulled 2xCR back to back and 99 messi, a few icons. Let alone tots players. Half of big pulls came from sbc packs tough.

    @otutsarTR Pass on that luck mate haha I can relate, so probably going to buy a few packs here and there to make up for the time that I can't grind. Still with some self-control though.

    Have sent mate, thru telekinesis. You will get a top top player this season before jan : ))

    Joke aside, years back when i was introduced by a friend to fut back in 2009 or 10, the first pack i opened had CR :) called the friend who pulled me in fut and told; he could not believe. I was one of those who were lucky with packs all along.

    We will see how it goes this season but i am optimistic about pack luck.

    And you are right with the self control aspect. Me and mates decided to go with max 4600 fp every friday, equivalent to cost of 3 coctails at the local bar. We dont go out that much, if we do - no fp in this specific week : ))
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    11392 posts Has That Special Something
    Dronegan wrote: »
    Hey guys.

    Ive been playing the Ultimate team since release. Most of you already know this, but just want to put some things into perspective when it comes to buying Fifa points.


    I played fifa 19 from release until January, where i just couldn´t bother with the game anymore because it honestly is a pile of ****.
    I had a discussion today with some co-workers about micro-transactions and it all ended up with everyone checking their bank accounts on how much exactly everyone spends on micro-transactions in the games they play.

    So i got pretty shocked. In 6 month i spent 23 000 swedish krones which is roughly 2150 Euro or 2340 dollars.
    Fifa 18 that i played longer i spent 37 000 Swedish krones.

    So what does that buy you exactly in game? Well this is my team in Fifa19. Its actually better than my team in Fifa18 where i spend even more money.


    So this team was worth around 4 million coins at the time. The coins i earned from rewards usually Gold 1 with a few elite 3 placements. Note that the Kanté i had was red.
    So around 1000 games played overall, 2150 euro in Fifa points , + rewards got me this team i January. And usually after half of my futchamp games was done i had the worst team out of me and my opponent for the last 15 games.



    This is what 2150 Euro gets you in 6 months.


    L1LhpSt.png





    The point of this thread is not to get people to not spend money on the game. Just wanted to share my story, and honestly i got a little bit of a shock how much i spend when i counted it all togehter.

    That's very poor for that kind of money spent. Are you eating the coins or what?😂
  • greif44
    2514 posts Fans' Favourite
    Usually I buy 12K FP during the early access to get comfortable start, but that's pretty much it, I don't spend more than that.
    The irony is, if you're not aiming for Elite, you can play with cheap team and it still will be competitive.
    Also amount of rewards in 18 and 19 was huge and it's very easy to build a decent squad, especially if you know at least basics of trading.
  • Pablofsi08
    407 posts Sunday League Hero
    This year Fifa 19 introduced soft bans for people who TRADE, by limiting the amount of cards you can bid on per hour, and giving underserved bans on so many accounts while coin websellers are having a feast, and nothing is done against them. Clear indication that EA punishes trading, and isn't doing their homework against pages.

    Trading is becoming more and more forbidden so you gotta spend thousands of dollars as a kid, on a virtual casino and this will, one day, kill this franchise.
  • Greezyweezy101
    1077 posts Professional
    My story

    Probably spent about £9,000 on points since 2010.

    Still not packed Ronaldo or Messi.

    I dont buy points anymore.

    The end.

    9 grand is absolutely ridiculous, I'm sorry I don't care how rich someone is, no wonder nothing gets done with gameplay/servers etc when mugs like u spend a tonne, sorry to be so blunt 😉

    Your entitled to your opinion mate.
    It's wrong...But your entitled.
  • Dronegan
    1084 posts Professional
    Grezzerk wrote: »
    You must of been ridiculously unlucky or just wasted your coins on sbc players you then later traded in.
    I’m not saying this to sound a **** but how on earth could you of spent that much and only got that team? That works out at nearly $3500 (Australian $ that is) Im pretty sure I’ve spent less than that but for arguments sake just say I spent same as you. I’ve done loads of player sbcs as I always get sucked in somehow and this my end team. I didn’t even play weekend league much and most my rewards come from squad battles.

    Ive only done the Ibra SBC since his my favourite player. Learned my lesson in fifa18 to not do sbc :)
  • Dronegan
    1084 posts Professional
    Dronegan wrote: »
    Hey guys.

    Ive been playing the Ultimate team since release. Most of you already know this, but just want to put some things into perspective when it comes to buying Fifa points.


    I played fifa 19 from release until January, where i just couldn´t bother with the game anymore because it honestly is a pile of ****.
    I had a discussion today with some co-workers about micro-transactions and it all ended up with everyone checking their bank accounts on how much exactly everyone spends on micro-transactions in the games they play.

    So i got pretty shocked. In 6 month i spent 23 000 swedish krones which is roughly 2150 Euro or 2340 dollars.
    Fifa 18 that i played longer i spent 37 000 Swedish krones.

    So what does that buy you exactly in game? Well this is my team in Fifa19. Its actually better than my team in Fifa18 where i spend even more money.


    So this team was worth around 4 million coins at the time. The coins i earned from rewards usually Gold 1 with a few elite 3 placements. Note that the Kanté i had was red.
    So around 1000 games played overall, 2150 euro in Fifa points , + rewards got me this team i January. And usually after half of my futchamp games was done i had the worst team out of me and my opponent for the last 15 games.



    This is what 2150 Euro gets you in 6 months.


    L1LhpSt.png





    The point of this thread is not to get people to not spend money on the game. Just wanted to share my story, and honestly i got a little bit of a shock how much i spend when i counted it all togehter.

    That's very poor for that kind of money spent. Are you eating the coins or what?😂


    Haha yeah its awful. But yeah only "big" player ive packed was baby Okocha. I also got normal Pogba from futchamp rewards (tradable) . But nothing else worth mentioning.

    I packed a baby icon in fifa18 also but cant remember which one. But one of the cheapest and that are my two most expensive packed players since release .

    Gonna go PRTG account if i play this year. Gonna be fun to build it up.

  • Libguy
    4842 posts National Call-Up
    Honestly don't know how it's possible to spend over 2 grand and have that team. You're doing something wrong. Do you buy packs with coins? Do you just discard everything in your packs? Toss that stuff in your club and take the time to sell it when it's in demand. There probably isn't a gold card in the game that hasn't been selling for over 2k at some point.

    Anyway, spending money is fine. I probably spent like 4k this year? Actually I've been spending less this year because EA gives us so many rewards it isn't as necessary as it was in the past. Have more money today than I did 11 months ago. I'm also a grown-**** man though with plenty of money. If anybody is like under 25, there are probably better ways to spend your money than video games. At the least, make sure you aren't spending so much that you can't pay your bills.
  • lIlIlIlIlIl
    3346 posts National Call-Up
    Libguy wrote: »
    Honestly don't know how it's possible to spend over 2 grand and have that team. You're doing something wrong. Do you buy packs with coins? Do you just discard everything in your packs? Toss that stuff in your club and take the time to sell it when it's in demand. There probably isn't a gold card in the game that hasn't been selling for over 2k at some point.

    Anyway, spending money is fine. I probably spent like 4k this year? Actually I've been spending less this year because EA gives us so many rewards it isn't as necessary as it was in the past. Have more money today than I did 11 months ago. I'm also a grown-**** man though with plenty of money. If anybody is like under 25, there are probably better ways to spend your money than video games. At the least, make sure you aren't spending so much that you can't pay your bills.

    Sure is-- on adequate service/product. EA provides none of it. Not to mention their predatory modus operandi which boils down to abusing certain loopholes in the law in order to take advantage of children and addicts.
  • Libguy
    4842 posts National Call-Up
    Libguy wrote: »
    Honestly don't know how it's possible to spend over 2 grand and have that team. You're doing something wrong. Do you buy packs with coins? Do you just discard everything in your packs? Toss that stuff in your club and take the time to sell it when it's in demand. There probably isn't a gold card in the game that hasn't been selling for over 2k at some point.

    Anyway, spending money is fine. I probably spent like 4k this year? Actually I've been spending less this year because EA gives us so many rewards it isn't as necessary as it was in the past. Have more money today than I did 11 months ago. I'm also a grown-**** man though with plenty of money. If anybody is like under 25, there are probably better ways to spend your money than video games. At the least, make sure you aren't spending so much that you can't pay your bills.

    Sure is-- on adequate service/product. EA provides none of it. Not to mention their predatory modus operandi which boils down to abusing certain loopholes in the law in order to take advantage of children and addicts.

    Eh, I know the argument is "don't spend money because EA won't care about the quality of the game if everybody is spending money." But I like the game. That's why I play it and spend money. I have no real issues with the gameplay - yeah there are things that could be done better and things I would change, but nothing game breaking. Dudes were probably finding cheesy ways to win in Pong. That's not gonna change anytime soon.

    Honestly I think most other people who scream about hating the game actually like the game too. The alternative is to believe that people who say they hate the game actually hate the game and yet still put countless hours into playing it. And that I find hard to believe.

    I don't disagree that the loot boxes prey on the children. I wish they would scrap selling packs for fifa points and move to a pure p2w system where I could just buy any player that I wanted with cash.
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