Fifa packs and loot boxes 'not gambling' in UK

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  • NathW90
    367 posts An Exciting Prospect
    It really is though.
  • Cbn
    838 posts Semi-Pro
    So there are a lot of folks out there Who have gambling issues with fifa packs, but the packs are officially not gambling.
  • Retro_G
    30345 posts National Team Captain
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.
  • Flexus
    484 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited July 22
    As if it is a thing if it is called gambling or not, that turns the discussion away from the fact that this thing is harmfull for some people who are falling for this kind of *surprise* mechanism. The fact that you are paying for something, for what you don't know what the outcome is is definitely a thing that could lead to an addictive harmfull behavior for the person who is doing it or their relatives.
  • eltonholm
    420 posts Sunday League Hero
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908766

    Nintendo has agreed with full refund.. LOL. Why? Don’t blame the children here. I think it’s the same importance to actually learn parents to secure the console/pc whatever from credit cards, payments etc and the use of passwords/pin codes. You can’t just hide behind “the children did find out how to use my money”. Learn the lesson, pay for your content...

    Most silly in this article is “You pay £40 for the game, which is a lot of money in itself, but then the only way to get a great team is essentially by gambling”

    Ya... sure...
  • Dochter
    155 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Britain's basically foo ked. Government don't care bout this. Gambling is a minor non vote winning issue so blah blah blah. Gamers just care bout updates and exploits so they're distracted by what's going on so why would the UK government care bout you. It's not like ur Belgium so you don't count. Tbh the country is being sold down the river. Are the government or their commitees looking out for the people. We'll ask the next non elected PM the answer
  • Dochter
    155 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    I think you're probably closer to the truth than most of the learned people would know. What legislation would this be and what part would be relevant.

    This is the way to make EA listen and actually make a decent football game and not a card panini style gambling game
  • kcichris
    1616 posts Play-Off Hero
    eltonholm wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908766

    Nintendo has agreed with full refund.. LOL. Why? Don’t blame the children here. I think it’s the same importance to actually learn parents to secure the console/pc whatever from credit cards, payments etc and the use of passwords/pin codes. You can’t just hide behind “the children did find out how to use my money”. Learn the lesson, pay for your content...

    Most silly in this article is “You pay £40 for the game, which is a lot of money in itself, but then the only way to get a great team is essentially by gambling”

    Ya... sure...

    naa im pretty sure the uk has some laws about no or limited contractual capacity for minors. If you release a game for little kids, where they can buy stuff with a few clicks, you have to refund, if a young kid did the purchase

  • Orison
    49967 posts Ballon d'Or Winner
    I mean it just isn't gambling under current law.

    People can say "but it is" all they want. That doesn't change the law and therefore all your moaning won't suddenly turn it into gambling under the law.
  • Guvnor
    1221 posts Professional
    I think it will be looked at and the law will be changed, maybe a little after Europe and the US, Ect but by then I assume fifa will of come up with a better alternative anyway, it is in the news a fair bit so it’s not like it’s totally unnoticed. It certainly needed though. We may get a better game once the pay to win ideologies are changed.
  • EekAlaska
    1671 posts Play-Off Hero
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    Not hard to pay them off. Its even legal here in the US, they are called Lobbyists...
  • Crysister
    960 posts Semi-Pro
    Sure
  • Ishibum
    12974 posts Has That Special Something
    EekAlaska wrote: »
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    Not hard to pay them off. Its even legal here in the US, they are called Lobbyists...

    They'll come into play if there are attempts to change existing laws. My point is, the laws are inappropriate and out of touch with what is currently happening
  • ViezeDries
    844 posts Semi-Pro
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

  • Ash2442
    260 posts Sunday League Hero
    I believe you could order specific players for these albums from the company itself...
  • Ash2442
    260 posts Sunday League Hero
    The answer is simple to me...if you have paid for dlc then the age rating on the game should be raised to exclude minors imo...may seem a little extreme but would solve a lot of issues
  • Retro_G
    30345 posts National Team Captain
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    It wouldn't cost a fortune to complete a Panini sticker book. You'd swap stickers with your mates, if they didn't have the sticker, someone in your school would swap. It would cost you tens of thousands to get all the cards in Fifa through packs.

    Alcohol is age restricted for a reason, the problem with Fifa is that the packs are allowing children to gamble. You can say it's not gambling by law, but we all know it's gambling. They're using the same psychological manipulation techniques that your local casino use. A childs brain isn't fully developed, they're more susceptible to manipulation.

    Research has been done that proves gambling addiction is on the up in young adults. That's due to games such as Fifa corrupting children's minds through "surprise mechanics." There is going to be an epidemic of gambling addicts in the future and you can thank these corrupt gaming companies for warping people's minds.
  • Retro_G
    30345 posts National Team Captain
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    The legislation was outdated in Belgium too, but their Government still steped in and banned loot boxes, because they care about their people, know it's unethical. No doubt some hands were greased.
  • Mr_footballer1
    1912 posts Play-Off Hero
    Think this is more a case of the gambling commision using semantics to get out of it because they don't want the hassle and dont have the expertise to regulate it
  • Ishibum
    12974 posts Has That Special Something
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    The legislation was outdated in Belgium too, but their Government still steped in and banned loot boxes, because they care about their people, know it's unethical. No doubt some hands were greased.

    Without wanting to go too political, I wouldn't trust the current lot to be able to run a bath, let alone a country. For the kind of changes we'd like, we need a modicum of common sense - the impossible dream right now.
  • Huxx
    3053 posts National Call-Up
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    a) packs were like 50p

    b) there were swap shop events

    c) i seem to remember you could literally send off for the final stickers you needed and just pay by the sticker
  • Alex_cr
    5329 posts Big Money Move
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Ishibum wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    EA must've paid them off with a huge backhander.

    More a case of the legislation being totally outdated and being taken advantage of by EA.

    The legislation was outdated in Belgium too, but their Government still steped in and banned loot boxes, because they care about their people, know it's unethical. No doubt some hands were greased.

    I love the way people use the Belgian government as some sort of moral standpoint as to how to run a country while clearly having no idea about their political issues.
  • cdbuck26
    3474 posts National Call-Up
    edited July 23
    EA assured them they will get R9 in their next pack bought with fp, and so they gave in
  • Robstr
    19 posts Ball Boy
    Huxx wrote: »
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    a) packs were like 50p

    b) there were swap shop events

    c) i seem to remember you could literally send off for the final stickers you needed and just pay by the sticker

    This post took me all the way back. Haven't heard a swap shop mentioned in longer than I can remember.
  • leon1309
    4208 posts National Call-Up
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    That is bunch of naive xy you wrote there.
  • Knowlesdinho
    11414 posts Has That Special Something
    edited July 24
    Huxx wrote: »
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    a) packs were like 50p

    b) there were swap shop events

    c) i seem to remember you could literally send off for the final stickers you needed and just pay by the sticker

    I think with trade offers, EA was trying to achieve something similar...it was coin selling sites that ruined that side of things tbh.

    I think the real problem here is that it shouldn't be so difficult for people to unlock all the content within the game. Imagine if you wanted to complete every SBC ever released, and own every card within the game...you're looking at an obscene amount of cash for that.

    As a trader myself, I trade to an excellent team each year, but there is a lot of grinding involved, which involves time. I doubt even the best trader in the world could trade to enough coins, staying with TOS, to acquire every card in the game.

    Now I know that is extreme, because most people aren't after completing "the virtual card collection" aspect of the game, but if they are, should it really be so difficult?

    They've judged it as not gambling, and by the letter of the (out of date) law, it isn't, but that doesn't in any way, shape, or form mean that EA, and other companies practices are ethical.

    I don't spend money on the game myself, and I've said it before, I truly believe that parents bear the responsibility for their children's actions, however, these companies practices are predatory. Just like supermarkets are being forced to remove "unhealthy" snacks from the tills at supermarkets to combat the obesity crisis, companies should be forced to remove lootboxes from games. Whether you consider it gambling or not, it is definitely designed to give a dopamine hit...and is addictive.
  • Duncan1972
    362 posts Sunday League Hero
    leon1309 wrote: »
    I used to have a Panini sticker book back in the days. Kept on buying and buying packs not knowing what's inside hoping to get that Van Basten for my Italia 90 album to finally complete my Dutch squad.

    Spent so much money on that. So risky. Could be seen as gambling because you're never sure what's in the pack and I bet they put a lot less Van Bastens in And lot more of that Saudi defender.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Besides that. If you have a tendency to drink a lot of alcohol you shouldn't be mad stores sell alcohol.

    That is bunch of naive xy you wrote there.

    You clearly don’t know the meaning of the word “naive”.

    Naive would be NOT realising that special cards are in lesser supply.

  • Knowlesdinho
    11414 posts Has That Special Something
    Further to my earlier comment. At the end of FIFA, I always spend my coins on packs. These past few weeks, a lot of special cards have been in packs, so I decided to splurge. It's also been pretty good for making coins due to high prices of cards. I've also never packed an icon, and it's been my personal mission to try pack one before the end of 19.

    A rough estimate of my coin spend over the past few weeks is 5 million, including a lot of promo packs, but mainly 5k gold packs. I've actually pulled a lot of "special cards" but only one worth over 100k (Coutinho). Now there's a motto on the forums isn't there "never spend coins on packs" and this is obviously true, but if you can't strike some form of gold at the end of a game with 5 million coins...there is something seriously wrong with these packs...it's a gamble.

    I'll be raising another million from sales over the next couple of days, but I doubt that I'll pull anything of value.
  • WS100889
    298 posts Sunday League Hero
    Of course its gambling , bbc needs to get their heads out if ea's a**e and learn what gambling really means. Being from the uk myself , we need the government and people from bbc etc to stand up to company's like EA and stop being so soft, just like Belgium did.
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