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  • Ahmer50x
    18120 posts World Class
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    I think you’re underestimating the loss of Hazard but other than that spot on
  • Shshj
    4193 posts National Call-Up
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    I think you’re underestimating the loss of Hazard but other than that spot on

    There's no doubt we're the weakest of the top six and can't improve before the season starts, but then again I also don't think we're as far off as some say. I'm not expecting much of a top four challenge, but I also don't think we're going to finish 8th below the likes of Leicester etc.

    Our saving grace is that both you and Arsenal have failed to take major strides in this window and have issues of your own still unresolved. I was seriously concerned that one of you would nail this summer and pull away completely leaving us with some serious catching up to do, but that hasn't happened just yet.
  • Keano
    13411 posts Has That Special Something
    Shshj wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    I think you’re underestimating the loss of Hazard but other than that spot on

    There's no doubt we're the weakest of the top six and can't improve before the season starts, but then again I also don't think we're as far off as some say. I'm not expecting much of a top four challenge, but I also don't think we're going to finish 8th below the likes of Leicester etc.

    Our saving grace is that both you and Arsenal have failed to take major strides in this window and have issues of your own still unresolved. I was seriously concerned that one of you would nail this summer and pull away completely leaving us with some serious catching up to do, but that hasn't happened just yet.

    This was the perfect time for United & Arsenal to step above you & send you a year or two behind us in terms of development & making a system... we still both have tie left, but thus far have failed (though United have addreessed 1 maybe 2 of the areas they needed (rb & rw if James plays there).
  • Shshj
    4193 posts National Call-Up
    Keano wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    I think you’re underestimating the loss of Hazard but other than that spot on

    There's no doubt we're the weakest of the top six and can't improve before the season starts, but then again I also don't think we're as far off as some say. I'm not expecting much of a top four challenge, but I also don't think we're going to finish 8th below the likes of Leicester etc.

    Our saving grace is that both you and Arsenal have failed to take major strides in this window and have issues of your own still unresolved. I was seriously concerned that one of you would nail this summer and pull away completely leaving us with some serious catching up to do, but that hasn't happened just yet.

    This was the perfect time for United & Arsenal to step above you & send you a year or two behind us in terms of development & making a system... we still both have tie left, but thus far have failed (though United have addreessed 1 maybe 2 of the areas they needed (rb & rw if James plays there).

    Exactly.

    AWB is a good signing who could be great in the future but is he going to revolutionise that United team this season? Probably not. The same goes for James.

    Saliba could be a game-changer for Arsenal but he's quite literally going to have zero impact on this season if he's loaned back to France. Tierney is a more interesting transfer, he could be excellent but is he going to solve all of Arsenal's defensive issues? It's highly unlikely.

    As you said there's still plenty of time for things to change and I'm sure they will, but so far it's been a pretty underwhelming summer for both sides.
  • Tornado31619
    16909 posts World Class
    I don’t see Leicester catching up, especially when it involves closing a 20-point gap. The following year, maybe. But not so soon.
    I don’t see West Ham, Everton or Wolves making any strides, either. Though Wolves have a chance if they stop dropping points against the mid/lower-table sides, and even that’s assuming that the top six haven’t figured them out yet.
  • TakeItSlow
    7309 posts Big Money Move
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    Given we have to pay Everton 5m pounds, I’d honestly have expected higher.

    Really? If you're realistically wanting him to go you cannot expect higher. He's been so so poor for you.

    27 goals in all comps (his highest in a season in all comps) in his first season for us (while playing in a negative system under Mourinho)... and 15 last season despite playing second fiddle for half the season (ultimately due to managerial preference in style of play), and again, first half of the in a negative system under Mourinho.

    He's not been "so so poor" for us. I guess Lacazette is been just awful for you guys then by that logic.

    So why do you want to get rid of him...?

    Also you guys completely missed my point. I also agree that AWB at 50m considering age is fantastic value.

    But you have shot yourselves in the foot in the sense that why on earth would Newcastle sit there and take 25m for one of their bright young midfielders.

    They’re of course going to ask for 50m. I think it’ll get done, but for around 35m or so.
  • WelshWizard
    731 posts An Exciting Prospect
    I don’t see Leicester catching up, especially when it involves closing a 20-point gap. The following year, maybe. But not so soon.
    I don’t see West Ham, Everton or Wolves making any strides, either. Though Wolves have a chance if they stop dropping points against the mid/lower-table sides, and even that’s assuming that the top six haven’t figured them out yet.

    Would take teams standing still or worsening and massive improvements from the rest to even get close the gap is that big.

    Leicester will lose players but Rodgers system will help vs the rest of the league, Wolves will get worked out more and need big additions as do Everton and West Ham need even more. Players that cost the most are the ones needed such as goalscorers and creators and they are hard to find. If we struggle to get 5 players in of different standards I find it hard to believe they can hit on 3 it's always a long term process (most of them have only had a year) even if you chuck money at it the best you can hope is someone having a plan and backing them to bridge the gap over time and eventually capitalise on the mistakes of the top 6. Gaps getting bigger and the league as a whole is getting worse.
  • Tornado31619
    16909 posts World Class
    @TakeItSlow Rom doesn’t suit our system.
  • XxRichiexRichxX
    31868 posts National Team Captain
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    Exactly. I love that he called their season a "transition season", but doesn't acknowledge our change in managers midseason which came with a different system midseason.
  • TakeItSlow
    7309 posts Big Money Move
    @TakeItSlow Rom doesn’t suit our system.

    What is your system?
  • Ahmer50x
    18120 posts World Class
    I don’t see Leicester catching up, especially when it involves closing a 20-point gap. The following year, maybe. But not so soon.
    I don’t see West Ham, Everton or Wolves making any strides, either. Though Wolves have a chance if they stop dropping points against the mid/lower-table sides, and even that’s assuming that the top six haven’t figured them out yet.

    I think Wolves won't improve much given Europa impact. Everton and West Ham both lack a major goalscorer still so as of now I'd say neither will challenge but that can change.

    I think Leicester are 100% in the top 4 hunt though. They've got title winning experience, an excellent goalscorer in Vardy and a good secondary addition in Perez, a balanced midfield thats among the best in the league, and a solid mix of youth and experience at the back. Good manager too now IMO.

    I realize the gap was 14 off United and 19 off Spurs but that overstates the difference given the impact I think Rodgers is worth over a whole season. I think they're very close.
  • XxRichiexRichxX
    31868 posts National Team Captain
    edited July 12
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    Given we have to pay Everton 5m pounds, I’d honestly have expected higher.

    Really? If you're realistically wanting him to go you cannot expect higher. He's been so so poor for you.

    27 goals in all comps (his highest in a season in all comps) in his first season for us (while playing in a negative system under Mourinho)... and 15 last season despite playing second fiddle for half the season (ultimately due to managerial preference in style of play), and again, first half of the in a negative system under Mourinho.

    He's not been "so so poor" for us. I guess Lacazette is been just awful for you guys then by that logic.

    So why do you want to get rid of him...?

    Also you guys completely missed my point. I also agree that AWB at 50m considering age is fantastic value.

    But you have shot yourselves in the foot in the sense that why on earth would Newcastle sit there and take 25m for one of their bright young midfielders.

    They’re of course going to ask for 50m. I think it’ll get done, but for around 35m or so.

    Because clearly OGS doesn't find that he's a fit for the system that he wants to run. We don't have to get rid of him, but it'd be best for him to go somewhere where he'll fit in, rather than waste away on the bench when he could easily start somewhere else.

    Just because we're looking to move on from a player doesn't mean that player is a bad player. He just simply doesn't suit our style of play.
  • Keano
    13411 posts Has That Special Something
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »


    Given we have to pay Everton 5m pounds, I’d honestly have expected higher.

    Really? If you're realistically wanting him to go you cannot expect higher. He's been so so poor for you.

    27 goals in all comps (his highest in a season in all comps) in his first season for us (while playing in a negative system under Mourinho)... and 15 last season despite playing second fiddle for half the season (ultimately due to managerial preference in style of play), and again, first half of the in a negative system under Mourinho.

    He's not been "so so poor" for us. I guess Lacazette is been just awful for you guys then by that logic.

    So why do you want to get rid of him...?

    Also you guys completely missed my point. I also agree that AWB at 50m considering age is fantastic value.

    But you have shot yourselves in the foot in the sense that why on earth would Newcastle sit there and take 25m for one of their bright young midfielders.

    They’re of course going to ask for 50m. I think it’ll get done, but for around 35m or so.

    Simply Lukaku doesn't fit our system, & he isn't happy to be a back up striker which i understand, so he has to go.

  • TakeItSlow
    7309 posts Big Money Move
    edited July 12
    If he was that good you’d surely utilise him. He is a terrible footballer in my opinion, not even an understatement he’s one of the worst I’ve seen in the league in terms of technical ability. Also he doesn’t seem to move much, he’s very static.

    His finishing is good when he has confidence, he can get into a good run. He’s also a monster physically, which is handy.

    But in general I can understand why inter are setting up a deal like that.
  • forearms
    4808 posts National Call-Up
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    If he was that good you’d surely utilise him. He is a terrible footballer in my opinion, not even an understatement he’s one of the worst I’ve seen in the league in terms of technical ability. Also he doesn’t seem to move much, he’s very static.

    His finishing is good when he has confidence, he can get into a good run. He’s also a monster physically, which is handy.

    But in general I can understand why inter are setting up a deal like that.

    Hes Belgiums all time leading goal scorer, 5th youngest to 100 goals in Premier League history, and is still just 26 years old.

    Terrible?
  • WelshWizard
    731 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited July 12
    Shshj wrote: »
    Keano wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Shshj wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »

    Arsenal achieved 70 points in a transition season without Bellerin and Holding for the main part of the season. Only team you're going to realistically chase down this year is Chelsea. Could get CL football just by doing that if City drop out.

    Interesting logic, but what makes you think Arsenal will be so far ahead of Chelsea and United?

    I admire your attack but that's about it. You haven't made a signing yet - the player you're supposedly closest to is going back on loan to France for another season. Your highest paid player is surplus to requirements and you can't offload him.

    Your defence is still a complete shambles and now your captain has refused to go on your pre-season tour because he wants out. Personally I don't think there's much daylight between any of our three clubs right now.

    I think you’re underestimating the loss of Hazard but other than that spot on

    There's no doubt we're the weakest of the top six and can't improve before the season starts, but then again I also don't think we're as far off as some say. I'm not expecting much of a top four challenge, but I also don't think we're going to finish 8th below the likes of Leicester etc.

    Our saving grace is that both you and Arsenal have failed to take major strides in this window and have issues of your own still unresolved. I was seriously concerned that one of you would nail this summer and pull away completely leaving us with some serious catching up to do, but that hasn't happened just yet.

    This was the perfect time for United & Arsenal to step above you & send you a year or two behind us in terms of development & making a system... we still both have tie left, but thus far have failed (though United have addreessed 1 maybe 2 of the areas they needed (rb & rw if James plays there).

    Exactly.

    AWB is a good signing who could be great in the future but is he going to revolutionise that United team this season? Probably not. The same goes for James.

    Saliba could be a game-changer for Arsenal but he's quite literally going to have zero impact on this season if he's loaned back to France. Tierney is a more interesting transfer, he could be excellent but is he going to solve all of Arsenal's defensive issues? It's highly unlikely.

    As you said there's still plenty of time for things to change and I'm sure they will, but so far it's been a pretty underwhelming summer for both sides.

    Can't argue. But it is something we have already got that will revolutionise the United team - The system will be the star signing, New players will impact how effective it will be. Under Ole 3rd best with a few bad performances rest were luck I caveat this with the fitness problems that looked like fitness problems actually being the case and you would expect is the case with the run we went on as we were adapting as teams worked out we explored the half spaces and took advantage of them.

    The benefit of the system vs lesser teams i.e our biggest issue is what will revolutionise the United team that has allowed teams to be in games none stop and we struggled vs them due to rigid and tentative play. AWB allows the high press and 1v1. vs Ashley Young the improvement is huge and solves the biggest issue. 54 goals conceded last season CBs and de Gea worked none stop, RB was a free area to bypass most of the time.

    You got to go with our young attack(Jesse is not young) at this point and adding James to it who can operate all across it is a smart move if your not going all out for a RW. Granted there is risk but system wise they all fit.

    There is 5 clear problems for a side that came 2nd and should of had 4th last season, we are talking of attempting to solve them all in one window not an official Pot noodle sponsor or the next galactico signing. Underwhelming currently but potentially highly successful.

    2 out 5 done. Work to be done but players for a system that give us an identity again is what will revolutionise the United team and there is still time to deliver the rest of them. Too much doom and gloom currently with time still left.

  • forearms
    4808 posts National Call-Up
    Anyone believe the reports we offered 80mil for SMS? I hope it's true, but the way we do business it's unlikely if we are still working on 2 other deals right now.
  • Ahmer50x
    18120 posts World Class
    forearms wrote: »
    Anyone believe the reports we offered 80mil for SMS? I hope it's true, but the way we do business it's unlikely if we are still working on 2 other deals right now.

    I think we probably just touched base in case we get an acceptable Pogba offer.
  • WelshWizard
    731 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited July 12
    Is SMS Pogba replacement or next in line for Bruno? as that is awfully quiet. Could just be the fact we want Maguire done first but SMS could offer so much in either role tbh. Expected more rolling commentary from the media this week on players we were in for such as Bruno/Maguire but it's been disappointing and new names getting thrown around instead,

  • XxRichiexRichxX
    31868 posts National Team Captain
    edited July 12
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    If he was that good you’d surely utilise him. He is a terrible footballer in my opinion, not even an understatement he’s one of the worst I’ve seen in the league in terms of technical ability. Also he doesn’t seem to move much, he’s very static.

    His finishing is good when he has confidence, he can get into a good run. He’s also a monster physically, which is handy.

    But in general I can understand why inter are setting up a deal like that.

    I feel like people are blinded by his awful touch. I've probably been one of his biggest critics as a United fan with his overall composure and touch, but with all that in mind it's incredible that he scores the amount of goals that he does.

    "Doesn't move much"... idk what you're watching because since he's join United his work rate more often than not has been fantastic. He's no Herrera or Lingard...but the guy is not "very static".

    Inter are setting up a deal like that because they can't afford to pay full price right now. hence these players + cash deals they are supposedly throwing at us, along with the installments.
  • Low Ki
    11784 posts Has That Special Something
    Is SMS Pogba replacement or next in line for Bruno? as that is awfully quiet. Could just be the fact we want Maguire done first but SMS could offer so much in either role tbh. Expected more rolling commentary from the media this week on players we were in for such as Bruno/Maguire but it's been disappointing and new names getting thrown around instead,

    I see SMS as a way to phase Matic out.
  • Ahmer50x
    18120 posts World Class
    Low Ki wrote: »
    Is SMS Pogba replacement or next in line for Bruno? as that is awfully quiet. Could just be the fact we want Maguire done first but SMS could offer so much in either role tbh. Expected more rolling commentary from the media this week on players we were in for such as Bruno/Maguire but it's been disappointing and new names getting thrown around instead,

    I see SMS as a way to phase Matic out.

    Completely different roles.
  • Low Ki
    11784 posts Has That Special Something
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Low Ki wrote: »
    Is SMS Pogba replacement or next in line for Bruno? as that is awfully quiet. Could just be the fact we want Maguire done first but SMS could offer so much in either role tbh. Expected more rolling commentary from the media this week on players we were in for such as Bruno/Maguire but it's been disappointing and new names getting thrown around instead,

    I see SMS as a way to phase Matic out.

    Completely different roles.

    Not if our midfield is being rejigged to function differently.
  • Teh Zombz
    3810 posts National Call-Up
    @TakeItSlow Rom doesn’t suit our system.

    lol i see this posted a lot, what is our system? i still have no idea what type of manager OGS is going to be in the PL
  • XxRichiexRichxX
    31868 posts National Team Captain
    Teh Zombz wrote: »
    @TakeItSlow Rom doesn’t suit our system.

    lol i see this posted a lot, what is our system? i still have no idea what type of manager OGS is going to be in the PL

    lol.. but it doesn't matter really when the manager doesn't see him as suited for his system. lol. I mean he basically came straight in and started Rashford over Rom and ran with it. Really wasn't until injuries hit that Rom came back into the mix.
  • Pietu
    2096 posts Fans' Favourite
    Your guy Michael has lost it, the state of this 😂😂

  • Apollo
    14861 posts Has That Special Something
    Pietu wrote: »
    Your guy Michael has lost it, the state of this 😂😂


    He comes out with some absolute BS at times
  • Pietu
    2096 posts Fans' Favourite
    Apollo wrote: »
    Pietu wrote: »
    Your guy Michael has lost it, the state of this 😂😂


    He comes out with some absolute BS at times

    Yeah I can see
  • ViVaWhom
    8103 posts League Winner
    there are 2 types of CL winners

    1- the real champions who also win their domestic league
    2- the fake champions

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