Why are people complaining so much about guaranteed TOTS sbc's

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  • oneskyworld
    1025 posts Professional
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    I don't know if this is a humble brag or an argument, I don't care how many coins you have made.

    I have been playing Ultimate Team ever since it was an add-on and witnessed the growth of this monster. The influx of coins is much, much, muuuuuch greater in recent years so I get why players tend to be more expensive. I get that, but TOTS cards used to be obtainable and not this rare. There are not even a page available of the majority of the better players. And no, that hasn't always been the case.

    My issue is not that I am not aware of the criminal packweight. I don't spend money and do these sbc's fully knowing I will get a goalkeeper. My issue lies within the fact that it would take more than a thousand euro (very low estimate) to get a player like Mbappe. If that doesn't make you question EA then I don't know what will. 1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    The fact that so many people argueing for EA are using gambling as a comparison really speak loud to the core problem.
    Since when, should a sports game became a gambling game?
    No wonder the regulators are looking at this shamble now.
  • Floatingkeyboard
    1064 posts Professional
    The thing is, the probability of getting a decent player is really too low.
    Most of the people won't expect to get a mbappe or Neymar in the packs, but at least give some player that with the cost.
    Judging from my own experience and the polls here, there is definitely some adjustments made towards individual player probabilities.
    I bet the undesirable players will have a higher chance to get pulled, even with similar or higher rating. Just like those keepers.

    The problem is that when EA gives out too many high rated players, the players will get less desirable and thus packs will get less desirable...

    Scarcity is the key to succes and the reason why we are still playing FUT. Otherwise everyone would be playing regular seasons, as anyone can have Cr7 over there. But thats not the case...
  • Knowlesdinho
    10089 posts Has That Special Something
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.
  • Knowlesdinho
    10089 posts Has That Special Something
    Wher'e @mdizzl3 nowadays? He was always good for threads like this.
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    The thing is, the probability of getting a decent player is really too low.
    Most of the people won't expect to get a mbappe or Neymar in the packs, but at least give some player that with the cost.
    Judging from my own experience and the polls here, there is definitely some adjustments made towards individual player probabilities.
    I bet the undesirable players will have a higher chance to get pulled, even with similar or higher rating. Just like those keepers.

    The problem is that when EA gives out too many high rated players, the players will get less desirable and thus packs will get less desirable...

    Scarcity is the key to succes and the reason why we are still playing FUT. Otherwise everyone would be playing regular seasons, as anyone can have Cr7 over there. But thats not the case...

    I honestly wonder if this will be the case. I don't spend money because I know I wouldn't get my money worth. I am sure there are many like me. As for your argument, I can see the reasoning behind it.

    I am confident that the majority don't mind playing similar teams. I mean, play regular seasons and you'll play City and Barcelona most of the times aswell. What the majority do mind is playing against players who have a huge advantage over you for whatever reason. Making these Elite players less rare makes it a lot more fun for everyone as everyone can enjoy them and I would certainly spend more money knowing I can indeed pack Gullit and friends.

    I have a feeling that those who are defending EA don't want others to have the best players available to them aswell. It would create a level playing field. They spend alot of effort, time and/or money to get to this position and believe they deserve it more than yourr average Joe.

    And I am here saying that everyone should be able to enjoy Gullit. To enjoy good TOTS cards. To pack an icon, to get a good red from playing WL, get rewarded from stressing in division 1
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited June 19
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.

    I like your thinking process and you are right about Zlatan. It was annoying, but did you ever wonder WHY everyone was using Zlatan? Because it was the only competitive player available to people. Players like CR7, decent icons, good forwards were all very, very expensive. If you give people the choice between all of those players then you would see more variety aswell to a certain extent. Let people choose between The best cards like CR7, Messi, Dinho, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Cruyf, Havertz, Griezmann, Mbappe, Neymar, Aubameyang, Son, Aguero etc etc and what will happen? You would see a variety players.

    Gameplay is flawed so this would indeed mean you would see the effective high end players more frequently. That's another thing for EA to fix and make right as that wasn't always like that either.
  • RadioShaq
    14882 posts Moderator
    Probably hard to balance to make everyone happy. Wc people got bored of having good players and quit after a couple hours. I always thought people wanted good players and everyone to have them until they did.
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Probably hard to balance to make everyone happy. Wc people got bored of having good players and quit after a couple hours. I always thought people wanted good players and everyone to have them until they did.

    That was a very limited game mode though
  • Futfanatic
    12441 posts Has That Special Something
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Probably hard to balance to make everyone happy. Wc people got bored of having good players and quit after a couple hours. I always thought people wanted good players and everyone to have them until they did.

    Ruined WC mode... I did 40 icon sbc's untill I packed R9 and quit 5 games later.

    But there's a lot between wc mode <<---->> these tots sbc's. 4 people on the forum packed a neymar or mbappe, only two of them have shown proof.
  • Wooly1203
    2402 posts Fans' Favourite
    Orison wrote: »
    Jobiwan wrote: »
    EA_Andy wrote: »
    Jobiwan wrote: »
    because the same people get good stuff all the time, while the rest keeps getting unusable cards. its like a casino, just like the rest of the game. EVERYTHING in this game is based on luck, thats why its the worst game ever made and extremely frustrating.

    Its not even based on luck imo. Its obvious some people get better packs. Look at futfanatic that guy could buy a gold pack now and he'd probably get a walkout. The only luck involved is if your account is chosen at the start of the year to have a bit of luck or not. Everything else fells pre determined. It doesnt matter how many packs you open some people are just never gonna hit those really elite cards no matter what they spend...

    This is complete rubbish, everyone has the same pack probabilities.

    Yeah ok whatever you say. You get that from the ceo himself? How would you know?

    "The ceo" could throw pack probabilities at your head and you still wouldn't believe it.

    Also @Op that same shot at an elite player was like 10k if you had an untradeable tots last year (81-83 rated sbcs) and you had 2 of them every week. Now it's considerably more expensive and you only get one shot at the big league. This means that naturally people are getting far worse results and are far more reluctant to complete the sbc in the first place.

    With their more "realistic" or market price based approach this years content team made quite a few mistakes imo. Especially on icon and tots sbcs.

    Perfectly sums it up. Last year you had two shots and the SBCs were cheaper. This gave you a chance to chuck in the players you didn’t want and take another shot at it. It also seems like they made the high end cards harder to pull this year.
  • Hulkmodus
    1321 posts Play-Off Hero
    Futfanatic wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Probably hard to balance to make everyone happy. Wc people got bored of having good players and quit after a couple hours. I always thought people wanted good players and everyone to have them until they did.

    Ruined WC mode... I did 40 icon sbc's untill I packed R9 and quit 5 games later.

    But there's a lot between wc mode <<---->> these tots sbc's. 4 people on the forum packed a neymar or mbappe, only two of them have shown proof.

    Probably they got rekt in wl
    So they deserve it
  • Hulkmodus
    1321 posts Play-Off Hero
    Hulkmodus wrote: »
    Futfanatic wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Probably hard to balance to make everyone happy. Wc people got bored of having good players and quit after a couple hours. I always thought people wanted good players and everyone to have them until they did.

    Ruined WC mode... I did 40 icon sbc's untill I packed R9 and quit 5 games later.

    But there's a lot between wc mode <<---->> these tots sbc's. 4 people on the forum packed a neymar or mbappe, only two of them have shown proof.

    Probably they got rekt in wl
    So they deserve it

    Oh wait.
    There is no such thing.
    Totally forgot.
    Sorry @EA_Andy
  • nitraw
    2079 posts Fans' Favourite
    hey you guys remember fut before fifa 18?

    cause i do. we never had guaranteed tots sbcs until last year. sure we had tournaments for some tots cards but you never had a chance to get a killer card for 70 or 80 k. i remember last year thinking oh man how nice of ea to hook us up with this!

    this year i'm still happy to see these sbcs back. sure they cost more......and? at this point in the game, if you've been playing since at least xmas, you should have a bunch of high untradeables. i havent even done any of the weekly objective players and i was able to do every league sbc outside of serie a cause i really had no need for any serie a players.

    we could just go back to NOT having any tots sbcs. since people are complaining so much, just get rid of them. go buy whoever you want with your coins and enjoy their prices being much higher due to no sbcs.

    yea thats a good alternative. some people just cant be satisfied regardless of what you do. yall need to learn to not look into a gifted horse's mouth sometimes.
  • Pocketsquareguy
    4847 posts Big Money Move
    Because I’ve done all of them and only once gotten a player worth more than the sbc. And only twice have gotten a non goalkeeper. I wouldn’t even care if i got some outfield players to mess around with. Regardless of value. But just doing it and getting keepers over and over again is pretty boring.
  • ImAtrocious
    1787 posts Play-Off Hero
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)
  • ImAtrocious
    1787 posts Play-Off Hero
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    ETA - I also think it's wasteful to spend money on this game. I can trade and have just as good a team without spending money as those that do. If you want to make the argument that time is money, then that's fine, spend your money to buy the players...but I still don't want those spending large sums to have instant access to all the players.
  • Raider
    3438 posts National Call-Up
    edited June 19
    well some guy on TT packed 3 neymars and a mbappe, so basically won the lottery 4 times during a span of 1-2 days and there's millions of FIFA players so 1 out of X mln and on top of that you get like 1% chance to pack these top players instead goalkeepers and ****..... x 4 how is this luck based, its impossible to have that sort of luck without any rigging involved
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    So you value these virtual cards which you can use for 1 year more than a 1000 euro? I hope that I earn enough one day that I can throw away a thousand each year and not have second thoughts about it. Seems like a reasonable amount if you have a family to feed and a house to pay every month.
  • Mr_footballer1
    1859 posts Play-Off Hero
    ITSSPENO wrote: »
    It's just luck, of course there are chances you may lose, but you could win big also. I got lucky and got TAA and De Jong, but in other packs I've had Lazzari and Hermoso.

    You dont go into a Casino and moan they should make you win every time, do you?

    But I thought this game wasn't gambling so how can you liken it to a casino?
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    ETA - I also think it's wasteful to spend money on this game. I can trade and have just as good a team without spending money as those that do. If you want to make the argument that time is money, then that's fine, spend your money to buy the players...but I still don't want those spending large sums to have instant access to all the players.

    'Just as good a team', fair enough. Play enough and do some trading and you can indeed get a good team. But if you don't mind me asking, how close are you to get 95 Ronaldinho? Or 94 Gullit? Or TOTS CR7? Or any of these other elite players. I am sure most of us have a team worth several million by now but most won't ever get close to having the best players players. Only if you spend obscene amounts like these youtubers or pro players which is fine as that's their job and spend every hour of their day on fifa.
  • JohnDoe
    11250 posts Has That Special Something
    edited June 19
    nitraw wrote: »
    hey you guys remember fut before fifa 18?

    cause i do. we never had guaranteed tots sbcs until last year. sure we had tournaments for some tots cards but you never had a chance to get a killer card for 70 or 80 k. i remember last year thinking oh man how nice of ea to hook us up with this!

    this year i'm still happy to see these sbcs back. sure they cost more......and? at this point in the game, if you've been playing since at least xmas, you should have a bunch of high untradeables. i havent even done any of the weekly objective players and i was able to do every league sbc outside of serie a cause i really had no need for any serie a players.

    we could just go back to NOT having any tots sbcs. since people are complaining so much, just get rid of them. go buy whoever you want with your coins and enjoy their prices being much higher due to no sbcs.

    yea thats a good alternative. some people just cant be satisfied regardless of what you do. yall need to learn to not look into a gifted horse's mouth sometimes.

    I don't really have a problem with the TOTS SBCs this year. Sure, the ratings could be lower and we could have 2 SBCs per week, like last year, but the mentality displayed in your post is something else. To you, we live in a black and white world, where the only options are accepting the status quo or going back to something worse, stuck in a false dichotomy. Is that it?

    Reading your post also left me wondering if you see yourself as a customer. Did you not pay for this game, at the very least? Do you not want the best value possible for what you spent? And this isn't a matter of this game being poor value for money, it's a matter of always wanting better. And any company should strive to continuously improve their products, listening to their customers in the process and taking their feedback into account.

    In these forums, we aren't always treated like the paying customers we are. All of us have at least spent money on the game, but the mods have no qualm with portraying themselves as judge, jury and executioner, while treating us, at times, in a somewhat condescending manner.

    And that shows how EA see us, as bags of money. We aren't customers, we're just seen as caged animals they can milk for cash. And who can blame them, when some (or maybe a lot) of the members of this community see themselves that way? Or at least accept their status as a bag of money?

    Try to be more demanding. It's your right to do so, within reason, as a customer. And it's not unreasonable to ask for EA to fix their game, the game that makes them hundreds of millions per year, and which we pay for.
  • Knowlesdinho
    10089 posts Has That Special Something
    edited June 19
    Kiido wrote: »
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.

    I like your thinking process and you are right about Zlatan. It was annoying, but did you ever wonder WHY everyone was using Zlatan? Because it was the only competitive player available to people. Players like CR7, decent icons, good forwards were all very, very expensive. If you give people the choice between all of those players then you would see more variety aswell to a certain extent. Let people choose between The best cards like CR7, Messi, Dinho, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Cruyf, Havertz, Griezmann, Mbappe, Neymar, Aubameyang, Son, Aguero etc etc and what will happen? You would see a variety players.

    Gameplay is flawed so this would indeed mean you would see the effective high end players more frequently. That's another thing for EA to fix and make right as that wasn't always like that either.


    If everyone has access to the top tier players, it just becomes divisions again with your matchups essentially being Madrid V Madrid every game.
  • DanValletta
    1526 posts Play-Off Hero
    Kiido wrote: »
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    So you value these virtual cards which you can use for 1 year more than a 1000 euro? I hope that I earn enough one day that I can throw away a thousand each year and not have second thoughts about it. Seems like a reasonable amount if you have a family to feed and a house to pay every month.

    Value of money is all relative. The only reason you can use a note in a shop is because you and the shop both agree that It has a value but the paper is worth nothing. So If you have bundles of said worthless paper and have everything you need. You aren't going to miss a g here and there.
  • Orison
    47587 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Kiido wrote: »
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.

    I like your thinking process and you are right about Zlatan. It was annoying, but did you ever wonder WHY everyone was using Zlatan? Because it was the only competitive player available to people. Players like CR7, decent icons, good forwards were all very, very expensive. If you give people the choice between all of those players then you would see more variety aswell to a certain extent. Let people choose between The best cards like CR7, Messi, Dinho, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Cruyf, Havertz, Griezmann, Mbappe, Neymar, Aubameyang, Son, Aguero etc etc and what will happen? You would see a variety players.

    Gameplay is flawed so this would indeed mean you would see the effective high end players more frequently. That's another thing for EA to fix and make right as that wasn't always like that either.


    If everyone has access to the top tier players, it just becomes divisions again with your matchups essentially being Madrid V Madrid every game.

    Tbf that's exactly what this game is above silver 3 level. People use the same pool of 30 players and that's it.
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited June 19
    Kiido wrote: »
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.

    I like your thinking process and you are right about Zlatan. It was annoying, but did you ever wonder WHY everyone was using Zlatan? Because it was the only competitive player available to people. Players like CR7, decent icons, good forwards were all very, very expensive. If you give people the choice between all of those players then you would see more variety aswell to a certain extent. Let people choose between The best cards like CR7, Messi, Dinho, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Cruyf, Havertz, Griezmann, Mbappe, Neymar, Aubameyang, Son, Aguero etc etc and what will happen? You would see a variety players.

    Gameplay is flawed so this would indeed mean you would see the effective high end players more frequently. That's another thing for EA to fix and make right as that wasn't always like that either.


    If everyone has access to the top tier players, it just becomes divisions again with your matchups essentially being Madrid V Madrid every game.

    No, not really. There are many elite players to choose from and I'll guarantee you that my team would look different from yours with an unlimited budget. And again, that's besides the point. It's abit much to say you should have access to literally every card in the game. But there is quite a big gap between being able to buy 1 elite player and having all 50+ of them. And that's now, close to the end of Fifa, for the most part of Fifa the majority couldnt afford a 93 Gullit.

    I'd rather have everyone to enjoy good cards, good pulls and good rewards instead of the 0.01% now. Feels more fair to everyone involved.
  • Retro_G
    28117 posts Player of the Year
    Kiido wrote: »
    When I took my 3 months break, FB Ibra was released, I was aware how cheap it was because of my Discord, but I had no desire to log on and do it.

    When I came back to playing all I saw on the forums was people complaining that everyone has FB Ibra and that it was too cheap and now all teams are boring...blah, blah, blah.

    So if Mbappe, Neymar, CR7 were all cheap, everyone would just moan that they are everywhere in the game...but if they are expensive, everyone moans anyway.

    I've said it hundreds of times before, but you lot could wake up with every player ever released in your account...and you would still find something to moan about.

    Edit...you do wake up with every player...you could always play online divisions and avoid FUT if you wanted.

    I like your thinking process and you are right about Zlatan. It was annoying, but did you ever wonder WHY everyone was using Zlatan? Because it was the only competitive player available to people. Players like CR7, decent icons, good forwards were all very, very expensive. If you give people the choice between all of those players then you would see more variety aswell to a certain extent. Let people choose between The best cards like CR7, Messi, Dinho, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Cruyf, Havertz, Griezmann, Mbappe, Neymar, Aubameyang, Son, Aguero etc etc and what will happen? You would see a variety players.

    Gameplay is flawed so this would indeed mean you would see the effective high end players more frequently. That's another thing for EA to fix and make right as that wasn't always like that either.


    If everyone has access to the top tier players, it just becomes divisions again with your matchups essentially being Madrid V Madrid every game.

    The developers could combat that by using specific team restrictions. They could also flesh out a mode without Fifa points, easily make it last as long. Monthly objectives akin to fut swap, that give you the likes of Ronaldo. I can't wrap my head around people thinking no Fifa points would ruin the mode, when in reality devs could make the mode vastly superior without Fifa points.

    The devs would've creative freedom, wouldn't be forced to make everything revolve around a microtransaction system. Think outside the box mate, the possibilities are endless. There have been plenty of games over the years that had longevity without any microtransactions.

    You can use similar psychological techniques within a game to keep people hooked, without the need for shady business practices. World of Warcraft is a perfect example.
  • ImAtrocious
    1787 posts Play-Off Hero
    Kiido wrote: »
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    ETA - I also think it's wasteful to spend money on this game. I can trade and have just as good a team without spending money as those that do. If you want to make the argument that time is money, then that's fine, spend your money to buy the players...but I still don't want those spending large sums to have instant access to all the players.

    'Just as good a team', fair enough. Play enough and do some trading and you can indeed get a good team. But if you don't mind me asking, how close are you to get 95 Ronaldinho? Or 94 Gullit? Or TOTS CR7? Or any of these other elite players. I am sure most of us have a team worth several million by now but most won't ever get close to having the best players players. Only if you spend obscene amounts like these youtubers or pro players which is fine as that's their job and spend every hour of their day on fifa.

    @Kiido Nooo...definitely not saying that these cards should have a value at more than $1000...what I mean is, I don't want them to be available at that amount, because then it would just drive that pay to win gulf even wider, and actually force people to spend money. Knowing that I'm not going to get that much out of my money keeps me from spending it in the first place.

    As for squads, you're right, I don't have 95 Ronaldinho or 94 Gullit (wouldn't play with CR7 because I can't stand him :smile: ). I'm just okay with not having the absolute best. If I traded harder or played more WLs, I probably could get to those guys. The way I see it, those cards are like "beating the game." If everyone could beat the game easily, it wouldn't be very fun.

    I have: TOTS Telles, TOTS Militao, PIM Blanc, TOTS Da Costa, 91 Vieira, 93 Matthaus, TOTS Eriksen, PIM Van Basten, PIM Figo, and NIF Neymar. Considering I haven't spent a penny, that's more than enough for me.
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    Kiido wrote: »
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    So you value these virtual cards which you can use for 1 year more than a 1000 euro? I hope that I earn enough one day that I can throw away a thousand each year and not have second thoughts about it. Seems like a reasonable amount if you have a family to feed and a house to pay every month.

    Value of money is all relative. The only reason you can use a note in a shop is because you and the shop both agree that It has a value but the paper is worth nothing. So If you have bundles of said worthless paper and have everything you need. You aren't going to miss a g here and there.

    Thank you for this wonderful insight of the concept of money.
  • DanValletta
    1526 posts Play-Off Hero
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    So you value these virtual cards which you can use for 1 year more than a 1000 euro? I hope that I earn enough one day that I can throw away a thousand each year and not have second thoughts about it. Seems like a reasonable amount if you have a family to feed and a house to pay every month.

    Value of money is all relative. The only reason you can use a note in a shop is because you and the shop both agree that It has a value but the paper is worth nothing. So If you have bundles of said worthless paper and have everything you need. You aren't going to miss a g here and there.

    Thank you for this wonderful insight of the concept of money.

    I'm just chatting nonsense. Like 99% of this thread. One half thinks it's cool to be shady to consumers and the other thinks that EA aren't a business trying to maximize profits for shareholders. That's all it is at the end of the day.
  • Kiido
    440 posts Sunday League Hero
    Kiido wrote: »
    DasPonyboy wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    Kiido wrote: »
    I will never get how people talk like this all make sense. Here we are playing a videogame where putting in a 1000 euro would only get you a TOTS mid level attacker, lol. You'll probably need to double that amount for Mbappe and friends.

    The packweight makes me sick and that level of greed is seen through the sbc's aswell.

    Pack weights have always been rubbish.

    SBCs are always going to be expensive at this stage because it runs on the assumption that most people that have played the game all year will have lots of untradables, and/or lots of coins.

    I took over 3 months off, and even I’ve traded over 17 million coins this year. I barely touch WL, because most weekends I’d rather spend time with friends or family, but if I did, I’d probably make double that amount of coins.

    The point I’m making is tots comes around every year, it isn’t a surprise that top cards are going to cost a lot...yet many act like it is. You have all year to prepare for this moment, if you don’t, then it’s pretty much your own fault because everyone knows that EA aren’t giving these cards for free.

    Ride the back of the Whales is the moral of the story...there she blows!

    1000 euro should get you all the content and yet it gives you 1 good player to play with if you are lucky.

    This. I am not one to spend real money on the game but for those that do 1000 Euro should buy every player especially for a game that restarts every year

    I actually don't agree with this at all. I don't think you should be able to buy all the content in the game for $1000...if you could, then you'd have some players with everything and others with nothing. Even though it's frustrating, I prefer the fact that it's luck based and that you aren't just given every card. (this is coming from someone that has had pretty rough pack weight)

    ETA - I also think it's wasteful to spend money on this game. I can trade and have just as good a team without spending money as those that do. If you want to make the argument that time is money, then that's fine, spend your money to buy the players...but I still don't want those spending large sums to have instant access to all the players.

    'Just as good a team', fair enough. Play enough and do some trading and you can indeed get a good team. But if you don't mind me asking, how close are you to get 95 Ronaldinho? Or 94 Gullit? Or TOTS CR7? Or any of these other elite players. I am sure most of us have a team worth several million by now but most won't ever get close to having the best players players. Only if you spend obscene amounts like these youtubers or pro players which is fine as that's their job and spend every hour of their day on fifa.

    @Kiido Nooo...definitely not saying that these cards should have a value at more than $1000...what I mean is, I don't want them to be available at that amount, because then it would just drive that pay to win gulf even wider, and actually force people to spend money. Knowing that I'm not going to get that much out of my money keeps me from spending it in the first place.

    As for squads, you're right, I don't have 95 Ronaldinho or 94 Gullit (wouldn't play with CR7 because I can't stand him :smile: ). I'm just okay with not having the absolute best. If I traded harder or played more WLs, I probably could get to those guys. The way I see it, those cards are like "beating the game." If everyone could beat the game easily, it wouldn't be very fun.

    I have: TOTS Telles, TOTS Militao, PIM Blanc, TOTS Da Costa, 91 Vieira, 93 Matthaus, TOTS Eriksen, PIM Van Basten, PIM Figo, and NIF Neymar. Considering I haven't spent a penny, that's more than enough for me.

    Yeah, I get you. But I use money as an example as it's easy to make a comparison with. It's difficult to put a price on time as it varies. It's not just 1000 euro that should unlock a large portion of the cards, but also a certain amount of playing time.

    You have played all year and got a decent team just like me, my neighbour and his dog. Combine their total value and you won't even get to 1 of the players I mentioned in total. A years worth of competitive playing/trading in Fifa and you can't get yourself a TOTS Mbappe at this stage of the game. Honestly, if that doesn't make you think twice then I don't know what will bro. I'd like to think we deserve much more than that
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