AI defending needs to be patched asap

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  • bigpokey24
    4792 posts Big Money Move
    jplumber wrote: »
    bigpokey24 wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with AI defending..we are all given the same tools....either you adapt or learn the benefits of drop back..defending is an art..when Chelsea defends like legends, they won every trophy out there..but now look at the rubbish sarri ball has pushed down our throats....

    I want something resembling football controlled by a human being. Not an automated "save mediocre players from getting hammered" abusive strategy! No, I don't want to play abusive drop back!

    Then if you don't, you will get beaten time after time..until EA changes their code..AI defending is here to stay
  • maksi
    6594 posts Big Money Move
    Ea needs to take the cpu from legendary to professional or semi-pro. It’s not that difficult, they just refuse to change it because it benefits a majority of the player base
    probably don't dare to do it because it would show even more how this game is poorly coded

  • HullCity1904
    1873 posts Fans' Favourite
    oh so here is where everyone's moaning about the AI... I feel included now rather little kid's moaning about me moaning about moaning
  • SPN1987
    2044 posts Fans' Favourite
    I really, really want defending to be skilled. Mainly to be motivated to get better at it. Nowadays I'm not motivated at all to improve in any aspect of how I play. Because it will mainly come down to abusing mechanics more and strats like drop back as deep as possible. Which i both refuse. And off course get better players to carry me to a few more wins.
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited February 18
    defending should be skilled as attacking.

    normal dribbling should be more effective. if I'm dribbling past someone, he shouldn't get the ball unless he pressed the tackling button. not sprinting towards me or just jockeying around my player.

    unfortunately, in this title, everyone can AI defend even bronze players.
    all you need is high tier defenders and they will do all the work, which makes the game even more P2W
    Post edited by Empyrium7 on
  • Recoba
    3584 posts National Call-Up
    Come on
  • agentxyz2
    791 posts Professional
    Was hoping this would get patched Day 1, but ot looks like they are hell bent on not upsetting those without a capable skill set of their own on defence
  • jplumber
    1427 posts Play-Off Hero
    bigpokey24 wrote: »
    jplumber wrote: »
    bigpokey24 wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with AI defending..we are all given the same tools....either you adapt or learn the benefits of drop back..defending is an art..when Chelsea defends like legends, they won every trophy out there..but now look at the rubbish sarri ball has pushed down our throats....

    I want something resembling football controlled by a human being. Not an automated "save mediocre players from getting hammered" abusive strategy! No, I don't want to play abusive drop back!

    Then if you don't, you will get beaten time after time..until EA changes their code..AI defending is here to stay

    Don't care. This is the only way I can enjoy the game
  • Recoba
    3584 posts National Call-Up
    Any news
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    Recoba wrote: »
    Any news

    I don't think they will patch the game anymore. they made their profit and they are done for this year

    It was the only thing that I wanted to be patched since release.

  • Skinner249
    389 posts Sunday League Hero
    It doesn't really make sense for EA to nerf it either.

    Look at it from their perspective... the top players can still score and win consistently against this AI press dropback. Meanwhile, the crap players aren't getting slapped around every game so aren't quitting the game. Everyone else that's average and completely irrelevant trade wins for the year but continue to play in the hope that something gets changed.
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    Skinner249 wrote: »
    It doesn't really make sense for EA to nerf it either.

    Look at it from their perspective... the top players can still score and win consistently against this AI press dropback. Meanwhile, the crap players aren't getting slapped around every game so aren't quitting the game. Everyone else that's average and completely irrelevant trade wins for the year but continue to play in the hope that something gets changed.

    that's the problem though, their perspective

    it's a game, which means the better should win and the worse should lose.

    if someone doesn't know how to defend. they should be punished about it. they can learn how to defend by practicing or quit the game.

    I don't know why EA thinks that the bad players are the ones who spend money.
    I can guarantee you if people are enjoying the game and when they play better they get rewarded for it, most of the capable players will pump money into the game.
    but when you are doing the best and still not getting rewarded. playing against players that are obviously way less skilled than you but still you can hardly beat them because of the AI. it becomes no fun to play.

    I'll give you an example.
    I'm bad at shooting games on consoles. and I want to play lets say BF
    I don't expect the game to help me aiming at people or having shots coming my way blocked by objects just to keep me in game.
    I'll play bad, and I will keep learning how to play until I'm decent. I'll get beat by players better than me and it will be okay because I know I'm not good at shooting games on consoles.

    Hardcore FIFA Players will pump more money into the game if the gameplay is enjoyable and rewarding.

    bad players will not pump a lot of money because they know they won't make it far.


  • Skinner249
    389 posts Sunday League Hero
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    Skinner249 wrote: »
    It doesn't really make sense for EA to nerf it either.

    Look at it from their perspective... the top players can still score and win consistently against this AI press dropback. Meanwhile, the crap players aren't getting slapped around every game so aren't quitting the game. Everyone else that's average and completely irrelevant trade wins for the year but continue to play in the hope that something gets changed.

    that's the problem though, their perspective

    it's a game, which means the better should win and the worse should lose.

    if someone doesn't know how to defend. they should be punished about it. they can learn how to defend by practicing or quit the game.

    I don't know why EA thinks that the bad players are the ones who spend money.
    I can guarantee you if people are enjoying the game and when they play better they get rewarded for it, most of the capable players will pump money into the game.
    but when you are doing the best and still not getting rewarded. playing against players that are obviously way less skilled than you but still you can hardly beat them because of the AI. it becomes no fun to play.

    I'll give you an example.
    I'm bad at shooting games on consoles. and I want to play lets say BF
    I don't expect the game to help me aiming at people or having shots coming my way blocked by objects just to keep me in game.
    I'll play bad, and I will keep learning how to play until I'm decent. I'll get beat by players better than me and it will be okay because I know I'm not good at shooting games on consoles.

    Hardcore FIFA Players will pump more money into the game if the gameplay is enjoyable and rewarding.

    bad players will not pump a lot of money because they know they won't make it far.


    I completely agree with you.

    I've just completely lost hope in the patch coming. As someone that always defended better than attacking I hate it, I've gone from good to average.
  • MHoney1234
    7680 posts League Winner
    They ain’t patching AI defending. They built the game purely for noobs who need their hands holding.
  • Vii
    52 posts Park Captain
    Pretty depressing playing any rival or WL games at the moment. Had a few good games where some defend manually like I do(as much as I can) but most are against EPL sweat teams who drop into their own box then boot it up front. Only SBCs keeping me interested to be fair, actually playing the game is painful.
  • WoefulFC
    32 posts Last Pick at the Park
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements

    no, it's not.
    it depends on what players they are using and the skill level.


  • WoefulFC
    32 posts Last Pick at the Park
    edited February 25
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements

    no, it's not.
    it depends on what players they are using and the skill level.


    if it was so good i wouldnt be beating legendary 87 rated squads by 3-7 goals in squad battles, and my WL games wouldnt have 5-10 goals per game like they do. if anything it needs improving, theyre too easy to beat.
  • Nobber93
    1354 posts Play-Off Hero
    You shouldn’t be rewarded for parking the bus and spamming thru balls to attckers. I don’t see why you are at a disadvantage for actually attacking and trying to play football. There’s something more to this than meets the eye. Why have they nerfed the timed shooting and other areas for this, the main problem to be left alone and 75% of the player base left frustrated and questioning AI defending. The whole game needs an overhaul
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements

    no, it's not.
    it depends on what players they are using and the skill level.


    if it was so good i wouldnt be beating legendary 87 rated squads by 3-7 goals in squad battles, and my WL games wouldnt have 5-10 goals per game like they do. if anything it needs improving, theyre too easy to beat.

    ok
  • BSDShoes
    1601 posts Play-Off Hero
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements

    no, it's not.
    it depends on what players they are using and the skill level.


    if it was so good i wouldnt be beating legendary 87 rated squads by 3-7 goals in squad battles, and my WL games wouldnt have 5-10 goals per game like they do. if anything it needs improving, theyre too easy to beat.

    Take this guy seriously because he only registered a week ago
  • ColeWorld
    9817 posts Has That Special Something
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    WoefulFC wrote: »
    AI defending is fine and exactly as it should be. if you run head first at one thats your fault, theyre easy to beat with skills and good passing movements

    no, it's not.
    it depends on what players they are using and the skill level.


    if it was so good i wouldnt be beating legendary 87 rated squads by 3-7 goals in squad battles, and my WL games wouldnt have 5-10 goals per game like they do. if anything it needs improving, theyre too easy to beat.

    Why aren't you a pro player?
  • Halfhand2
    519 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Games a real grind now, everyone sits back with 4231 whilst jockeying in circles.
    Or another tactic of running at you with a player and then switch players to let the Ai tackle .

    It's a fecking mess EA.
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    Halfhand2 wrote: »
    Games a real grind now, everyone sits back with 4231 whilst jockeying in circles.
    Or another tactic of running at you with a player and then switch players to let the Ai tackle .

    It's a fecking mess EA.

    I came back after a month or two and was like WTF IS THIS SH**??? But then I changed my game up and It's been a lot easier. Try to send the ball wide and look for crossing opportunities. I was terrible at setting up crosses, until I forced myself to keep going for them. Also, I've been more aggressive trying to take the ball away higher up the pitch. The counter attacks seem more deadly now. Make sure you have dropback on defense as well.

    Just be patient, and try to never give the ball up at midfield. Using your fullbacks to get it wide is going to be much more successful than working it down the middle. It's really difficult to try and push the ball all the way up the field as 4231 if it's not a quick counter. I've been making 4231 players quit at halftime with 0 shots because I'm not giving them any counter opportunities.
  • FreddieKane
    461 posts Sunday League Hero
    It says something about their design philosophy when their first 'buff' to manual defending was to make the ball travel further away from both players when you complete a tackle.

    There's far too much RNG involved in defense which simply should be Y/N scenarios. e.g.

    "Did I time the tackle from the correct position?"

    - Yes: You get the ball, the attacking player is temporarily delayed from engaging you.
    - No: You miss the ball, the attacking player goes past you as you complete the tackle animation.

    or with intercepts:

    "Is the defensive player in the path of the pass?"

    - Yes: He intercepts the ball - the extent of ball control depends on dribbling and interception stats and the speed of the pass in relation to how close the defender was to the passer.

    If his stats are excellent (Kante) the ball is immediately trapped with no delay.
    If his stats are good (Nainggolan) he takes a small touch to where he is facing. (It does not bounce away in a random direction)
    If his stats are average to bad (most non rare strikers) he takes a bigger touch etc.

    - No: He does not intercept the ball.

    There should be no RNG (10% chance your player gets nutmegged or lunges over the ball etc.)
  • Recoba
    3584 posts National Call-Up
    edited February 28
    I don't understant, noobs don't play vs good players. Why have an OP defense AI?
  • Rebound19
    185 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited March 3
    !!!!!!
  • Empyrium7
    2760 posts Fans' Favourite
    looks like we are stuck with this drop back AI defending till FIFA 20
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