AI defending needs to be patched asap

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  • Grifan
    1283 posts Professional
    It needs over hauled not just nerfed. Sick of the bounce back sit behind the ball disgrace we play now . They always just bring it right back too
  • JGCramp
    1387 posts Professional
    The AI defense and blocks are bad but really I'm struggling to find anything I like since these last two patches. At this point I honestly have no idea where the ball is going to go when I press the pass button. Balls just bounce off all my players' feet; they can't seem to control anything. The refereeing (as always) is a pathetic farce. My perfectly timed finish shots are always saved - unless they are one-time finessed, which absurdly go in from anywhere. It's a mess.
  • Unemesis
    52 posts Park Captain
    edited December 2018
    I was playing a match today, opponent playing with high pressure, 15 mins in the match and he got disconnected, you know, those situations when the opponent pause the game and when resumed he doesn't move and you play alone for almost a minute and then you receive the message that you got disconnected.

    Seriously, AI defending + constant pressure don't make sense, nobody was controlling the other team and I had always two or three opponents pressing, defenders covering spaces, making runs and intercepting passes and shots.

    This is an example of how a the AI is op and without human interaction.
  • Aqeel87
    2833 posts Fans' Favourite
  • ELMEX94
    187 posts Sunday League Hero
    We want change and we need it soon :/
  • RGib1990
    202 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    It’s just boring now.
  • Empyrium7
    2820 posts Fans' Favourite
    reviving this thread

    this thread should always be in page 1 until they fix the AI defending

    it's a game. which means the better player should win. each game (video game or a regular game) usually end up with the best player winning it. If someone wants to get better in FIFA defending they can use the skill games or practice more on manual defending.

    the handholding and the AI help in defense is huge let down for people who want to enjoy the game. AI can decide the game outcome in most of the games. AI should act the same for all players with minimum interaction. just covering and moving. you want to intercept or tackle. change player and take the ball. not 2nd man press and an auto tackle. EA where is the skill gap in defending ?

  • Durrani13
    1215 posts Professional
    edited December 2018
    There's a lot written on this forum about issues with FIFA but complaints that the AI is too good at defending just doesn't cut it. It's just too easy to beat the AI and score. Believe me if it was manual all of you would be crying about your defenders standing around. The AI is doing the bare minimum at the moment. If you are up against a decent player you have to manually defend or they will put one past your keeper every chance.

    I've been playing this game for a long time. I remember when the defending was overhauled in FIFA 12 I believe. People found it so hard lol all the complaints were about I can't defend. I can't stop people from scoring etc etc. These were people who had previously used "manual defending". That proved that there has never been manual defending per se. You manually defend when you take control of your defender. Otherwise the AI has to control the players that you are not in control of for coherence.
  • Mate it needed patching from first week. But the influencers I.e YouTubers will cry. That last patch seems to have just adjusted stamina and nothing else to do with gameplay. It caters to the weak players so they keep playing, and disregards manual players who ARE the majority of the time better than there opponents because they know you'll keep playing.
  • Empyrium7
    2820 posts Fans' Favourite
    Durrani13 wrote: »
    There's a lot written on this forum about issues with FIFA but complaints that the AI is too good at defending just doesn't cut it. It's just too easy to beat the AI and score. Believe me if it was manual all of you would be crying about your defenders standing around. The AI is doing the bare minimum at the moment. If you are up against a decent player you have to manually defend or they will put one past your keeper every chance.

    I've been playing this game for a long time. I remember when the defending was overhauled in FIFA 12 I believe. People found it so hard lol all the complaints were about I can't defend. I can't stop people from scoring etc etc. These were people who had previously used "manual defending". That proved that there has never been manual defending per se. You manually defend when you take control of your defender. Otherwise the AI has to control the players that you are not in control of for coherence.

    it's not easy to beat the AI. especially if you were facing top tier players with drop back formation. they will literally do everything for you.
    check the videos on this thread and see how people defend. this is not right. if I want to play against AI I would play SB. but when I want to play an online game. I want my opponent to defend manually. and if he is relying on the AI he should be punished. if he made a mistake he should be punished.
  • Durrani13
    1215 posts Professional
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    Durrani13 wrote: »
    There's a lot written on this forum about issues with FIFA but complaints that the AI is too good at defending just doesn't cut it. It's just too easy to beat the AI and score. Believe me if it was manual all of you would be crying about your defenders standing around. The AI is doing the bare minimum at the moment. If you are up against a decent player you have to manually defend or they will put one past your keeper every chance.

    I've been playing this game for a long time. I remember when the defending was overhauled in FIFA 12 I believe. People found it so hard lol all the complaints were about I can't defend. I can't stop people from scoring etc etc. These were people who had previously used "manual defending". That proved that there has never been manual defending per se. You manually defend when you take control of your defender. Otherwise the AI has to control the players that you are not in control of for coherence.

    it's not easy to beat the AI. especially if you were facing top tier players with drop back formation. they will literally do everything for you.
    check the videos on this thread and see how people defend. this is not right. if I want to play against AI I would play SB. but when I want to play an online game. I want my opponent to defend manually. and if he is relying on the AI he should be punished. if he made a mistake he should be punished.

    Ok imagine EA is talking to you directly.

    "Emporium, you can only control one player at a time. So what is your solution for how the AI defends? Now remember, team players have various ratings so we want the AI to be relatively realistic. How would you solve this issue. We would very much like to hear your solution."

    Shoot. I'd love to hear your and the rest of this thread outline their well thought out solutions.

    The key is, when you are controlling just the one player, what do you want the other three defenders or all four defenders (when controlling another player) to be doing?

    Standing around and waiting?
    Doing the minimal to allow the opponent easy scores? And how do you want a Ramos to behave as opposed to a bronze card rated 47?
  • Empyrium7
    2820 posts Fans' Favourite
    Durrani13 wrote: »
    Empyrium7 wrote: »
    Durrani13 wrote: »
    There's a lot written on this forum about issues with FIFA but complaints that the AI is too good at defending just doesn't cut it. It's just too easy to beat the AI and score. Believe me if it was manual all of you would be crying about your defenders standing around. The AI is doing the bare minimum at the moment. If you are up against a decent player you have to manually defend or they will put one past your keeper every chance.

    I've been playing this game for a long time. I remember when the defending was overhauled in FIFA 12 I believe. People found it so hard lol all the complaints were about I can't defend. I can't stop people from scoring etc etc. These were people who had previously used "manual defending". That proved that there has never been manual defending per se. You manually defend when you take control of your defender. Otherwise the AI has to control the players that you are not in control of for coherence.

    it's not easy to beat the AI. especially if you were facing top tier players with drop back formation. they will literally do everything for you.
    check the videos on this thread and see how people defend. this is not right. if I want to play against AI I would play SB. but when I want to play an online game. I want my opponent to defend manually. and if he is relying on the AI he should be punished. if he made a mistake he should be punished.

    Ok imagine EA is talking to you directly.

    "Emporium, you can only control one player at a time. So what is your solution for how the AI defends? Now remember, team players have various ratings so we want the AI to be relatively realistic. How would you solve this issue. We would very much like to hear your solution."

    Shoot. I'd love to hear your and the rest of this thread outline their well thought out solutions.

    The key is, when you are controlling just the one player, what do you want the other three defenders or all four defenders (when controlling another player) to be doing?

    Standing around and waiting?
    Doing the minimal to allow the opponent easy scores? And how do you want a Ramos to behave as opposed to a bronze card rated 47?

    have you played FIFA 12-13-14 - AI defense was balanced. they cover and intercept (but not as crazy as now) they
    didn't tackle which was good. but if you are not controlling the closest player to the ball you will be punished.

    first: as you are attacking with the ball. AI should never tackle you unless you want to dribble or run through them. only controlled players should be able to tackle
    second: what is going on on this FIFA is when facing someone who is using the AI to defend is. they are controlling a CDM or a CM to cover passes. at the same time using 2nd man press ( another CM or CDM. while there are 4 defenders that you have to break through. so you are controlling 1 player in the attack while the defending team has a control of 2 players (1 not fully controlled"2nd man press") plus the 4 defenders that they will block almost all shots.
    I'm not asking for a fully manual defending. because it's impossible to control 4 defenders at the same time. but all we want is that the opponent to try to take the ball from us. not their AI. someone shared a video here where the opponent put down the controller and the guy were trying to score some shots from outside the box. all shot were blocked by the AI.

    so in my opinion again, AI should never tackle if you are not controlling the player.

    about Ramos thing. when he is controlling him. he should make better tackle and better intercepting than a bronze player when the opponent is controlling him. when not. he should cover faster and position himself better. no more than that
  • JGCramp
    1387 posts Professional
    Stkyfngz wrote: »
    They need to improve the effectiveness of manual defending. Manual defending is like shooting yourself in the foot, or taking a real risky gamble with terrible outcome.

    Manual defending =

    Your opponent getting the ball back after tackle
    Your player falling on his butt
    Getting the ball passed through your player
    0 blocking if your opponent shoot
    Lose 50 % of your pace
    Lose 50% of your agility
    Miss a tackle and 0% chance of recovery

    Whereas if you let your AI do it, most of this stuff doesn't happen

    This is on point. They don't need to make a game where you can't choose to let the AI defend for you because the AI are effectively lobotomy patients, but (1) manual defending has to be more effective/rewarding and (2) there needs to be more risk to letting the AI defend for you (more like after patch1.05 with nerfed blocks would be a good start).
  • ELMEX94
    187 posts Sunday League Hero
    @EA_Andy please?
  • '96dc2
    9026 posts League Winner
    ELMEX94 wrote: »
    @EA_Andy please?

    He doesn’t care, waste of a tag. This is the game EA want
  • Tboon
    2710 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited December 2018
    Just gambling right now. No fun at all. Why did they patch it again? They finally made defending better a few patches ago, now it awful. Really don't understand.
  • Noob_FC
    3149 posts National Call-Up
    Always be on 1st page... Never go on 2nd page
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    It's so boring atm. Everyone runs 4231.
  • Noob_FC
    3149 posts National Call-Up
    Is there any website where I can post the gaming experience without getting ban!!!
  • Grifan
    1283 posts Professional
    Ai defending makes this game so yawn
  • FaFiFa
    865 posts Semi-Pro
    Unbelievable, every game is the same.Constant pressure , AI defending. Best wrestling&karate game ever.Nothing close to football
  • bigpokey24
    4861 posts Big Money Move
    To be honest I hardly struggle against AI defending...just keep attacking and attacking..at the end of the day the opponent will open up
  • Empyrium7
    2820 posts Fans' Favourite
    bigpokey24 wrote: »
    To be honest I hardly struggle against AI defending...just keep attacking and attacking..at the end of the day the opponent will open up

    Man. Don't get me started.
  • Xguti002
    2012 posts Fans' Favourite
    Is it just me or did they undo the patch that had nerded AI defending without telling us? I remember the previous patch made it so that those that didn’t know how to properly defend were exposed pretty bad as their defense would open up easily. Now it’s just back to square one.
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    Xguti002 wrote: »
    Is it just me or did they undo the patch that had nerded AI defending without telling us? I remember the previous patch made it so that those that didn’t know how to properly defend were exposed pretty bad as their defense would open up easily. Now it’s just back to square one.

    Yea, it's prob placebo but I feel the same. I could pull out CBs and the rest of my team would fill. Now If I touch anyone in my backline it's like my defensive structure falls apart.
  • ELMEX94
    187 posts Sunday League Hero
    Grifan wrote: »
    Ai defending makes this game so yawn

  • FifaCity16
    711 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Xguti002 wrote: »
    Is it just me or did they undo the patch that had nerded AI defending without telling us? I remember the previous patch made it so that those that didn’t know how to properly defend were exposed pretty bad as their defense would open up easily. Now it’s just back to square one.

    Yeah it wouldn't surprise me. Nobody manual defends anymore. Even the bad players in single matches abuse AI defending because their favorite YouTuber does 100 tutorials on it. This game is a mess.
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