Packs aren't random

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  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    Quaid wrote: »
    I have won 5 drafts over the last week and have not gotten one board.

    I have 25 + four-in-a-rows and it's never been this bad

    Surely they have decreased weights, for everyone? Or just for me...
    Just you. You are doing 'too well'.
  • Fifabing
    498 posts An Exciting Prospect
    I personally feel that anyone that thinks packs aren't random and that EA have different outcomes and weights programmed to different accounts is an idiot, but that's just me.

    That's funny. I think anyone who doesn't believe EA is manipulating pack weights, etc, is an idiot, but that's just me.

    It's EA for crying out loud, they want to control everything, and given what we have learned in the past few months, it's entirely possible EA also develops algorithms to manipulate who gets what out of packs based on many factors.

    It's why in the first week of the game I packed amazing players. IF Aguero, Pogba, Ibra, Hamsik, Since then, opening tons of packs...nothing of real value.
  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    heavymcd wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    They are as random as slot machines. Programmed to let you catch small wins to keep you playing. Designed to make you go bust.

    It's literally no different than slots at a casino.

    At least you know the chance percentage with a casino slot machine. Never trust something that doesn't reveal the odds.

    easily rigged too.
    those slot machines have a percentage payout which can be changed.
    its normally 92%....btw thats way way higher than fifa packs

    That’s not rigging so much as configuration. Once they set the payout rate, it’s pure RNG, and that payout rate doesn’t change.

    Also, regularly audited, by an external gaming board. That’s how they know the actual payout is the configured payout.

    Compare to FIFA packs, where we’ve seen a player missing from packs for months after they just forget to put him back in after TOTW. If the drop rate of Ronaldo...assuming for a moment it’s fixed and universal across players...was half of what they intended, would they notice? Do they check?

    Given a lack of regulation and external oversight, there’s little reason to think that packs are consistent and fair across players. I can believe they’re RNG driven, but there’s no reason to believe they don’t tinker with the payout rate on a per-player basis, if it would make them more money to do so. That’s not tinfoil hat, that’s just assuming that they’re a business and that whatever isn’t prohibited is allowed.

    it wouldnt take a computer genius to write a program to get around this...thats another story.

    if they arent regulated they can get away with murder which is what ea are doing lol
  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    Fifabing wrote: »
    I personally feel that anyone that thinks packs aren't random and that EA have different outcomes and weights programmed to different accounts is an idiot, but that's just me.

    That's funny. I think anyone who doesn't believe EA is manipulating pack weights, etc, is an idiot, but that's just me.

    It's EA for crying out loud, they want to control everything, and given what we have learned in the past few months, it's entirely possible EA also develops algorithms to manipulate who gets what out of packs based on many factors.

    It's why in the first week of the game I packed amazing players. IF Aguero, Pogba, Ibra, Hamsik, Since then, opening tons of packs...nothing of real value.

    they have shareholders.....says enough for me
  • Korthan
    2407 posts Fans' Favourite
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    An utter embarrassment of a post, especially in 2017. Is there anything more outdated and discredited than "muh tinfoil hat"?
  • Jaydiz89
    464 posts Sunday League Hero
    If it's random then why does nobody ever pull 2 of the same high priced card in a row like 2 of the same icons but you can easily pack lesser players twice in a row many times
  • Gromit
    3435 posts National Call-Up
    Jaydiz89 wrote: »
    If it's random then why does nobody ever pull 2 of the same high priced card in a row like 2 of the same icons but you can easily pack lesser players twice in a row many times

    Because obviously icons card weights are considerably lower than a low rated card.

    They may drop said icon 10k times a day, while they drop 10 million of a 77 rated card.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Jaydiz89 wrote: »
    If it's random then why does nobody ever pull 2 of the same high priced card in a row like 2 of the same icons but you can easily pack lesser players twice in a row many times

    How do you know the bolded is true? It should be much more rare than pulling two lesser players twice, guvenenthe higher drop rate of lesser players. But you don’t know that it doesn’t happen. Just because it hasn’t happened to you or happened to a YouTuber doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened to anybody.

    The pull rate of Ronaldo is on the order of one per hundred thousand packs. While it definitely can happen that you pull two in a row, and perhaps has happened, the actual probability of that happening is incredibly remote, something like one in a million.

    I doubt that every YouTuber combined has opened a million packs on cam.
  • Tristan_Pecan
    419 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Of course its not random. For that to happen, they would have to put the same number of ronaldos as luke shaws in the packs. Of course that would cripple the market but yea its about control and EA needs to have that fail-safe control.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Of course its not random. For that to happen, they would have to put the same number of ronaldos as luke shaws in the packs. Of course that would cripple the market but yea its about control and EA needs to have that fail-safe control.

    Random and weighted are totally different things
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Of course its not random. For that to happen, they would have to put the same number of ronaldos as luke shaws in the packs. Of course that would cripple the market but yea its about control and EA needs to have that fail-safe control.

    Yeah, this is 100% wrong.

    Think of a “spin a wheel, win a prize” game. You can have 20 spots on the wheel, 19 of which are a pen, one of which is a car. The result is still random, even if 19/20 outcomes are the same (pen).

    This is how slot machines work. A separate RNG is always digitally spinning, spitting out numbers on a bus. When you push the button, the current number on the bus is fed to the machine, which shows an animation (or spins reels, which are on stepper motors and this in control of the machine) based on the number, which corresponds to a prize outcome. The distribution of those outcomes is uneven...high prizes are less common than low or none. But it’s still entirely random, or at least as random as a computer chip can make it.

    In this case, for every Ronaldo spot on the wheel, there are thirty Shaws, and thirty of every other nonsense player you don’t want. Doesn’t mean it isn’t random.

    The real question is whether those distributions are static, and the same across all customers.
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    This is getting embarrassing now. My pack luck is so bad its a joke.

    Did all the lightning sbcs + MM sbc and my best pull was an 83 rated Aspas.

    Opened 2 125k packs, the first without boards and in the second one i got a Willian.

    Did 16, yes 16! TOTW sbcs. Results:
    9x Castro
    4x Adebayor
    1x De Ligt
    1x Malli
    1x Dante

    I don't know why but my account seems to be cursed or something.
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    Did the MM just now. Best pull 80 rated Sven Bender.

    What do boards look like? I forgot ....
  • Stickybelly
    2666 posts Fans' Favourite
    I got a board player this morning from my SB 'rewards'. Mascherano Whooop
  • VagisilFC
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited December 2017
    All three weekly Objectives that I have completed the gave me Two Player packs have all ended up with a crappy non rare gold and a 73 or 74 Rare Silver.

    In other words EA are looking to inject supply of Rare silvers.

    Any one have this
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  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    VagisilFC wrote: »
    All three weekly Objectives that I have completed the gave me Two Player packs have all ended up with a **** non rare gold and a 73 or 74 Rare Silver.

    In other words EA are looking to inject supply of Rare silvers.

    Any one have this

    Yes, although these are free rewards so i don't complain.
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    Hi guys. You may not remember seeing my post I posted last week where I have obtained official documents showing how EA have made their packs not random as it's dependent on how much packs you open, with what you use to pay for it, coins or FP and how often you open. I have uploaded this documents to image sharing sites but I don't think the policy on this site allows me to post the links so you can download it and have a look. I got 2 documents. The other document talks about how, depsning on the current match situation or facotrs before hand, determines how much of an advantage you or your opponent would have. So no game is truely even.

    I knew it I've opened hundreds of packs through sbc's and such like but I allways get sh ite and then you see people who open far less packs but they pay with real money and they get informs constantly messi Ronaldo de Bruyne aguerro and such where I get garbage all the time I even did them gauranteed totw sbc and got 3 Malli one after another Castro and adebayor basically the biggest crock of shi t I could get.,.it's a scam if you pay nothing you just get garbage and it's so obvious
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited December 2017
    amit37 wrote: »
    I personally feel that anyone that thinks packs aren't random and that EA have different outcomes and weights programmed to different accounts is an idiot, but that's just me.

    you absolutely crazy if you think EA dont rigged the packs.

    Too right mate and the only fools who say it isn't is the mugs whove blagged Messi and the like but have paid £100's on their credit card
  • Away Casual
    383 posts Sunday League Hero
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    concept of luck is clearly impossible to understand for some people.. everything is always so rigged.. illuminati

    this
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    Joestoe wrote: »
    The patents stated that your spending pattern, thus the amount of money you spend on the game, influences the outcome of the game. I think it does also influence how much you get back from packs.

    Also; I think there's some kind of pattern where some players are more common on certain days than others. For example; I packed Vermaelen b2b in 2 7,5k packs the other day. The odds of that happening and not Vermaelen and some other nonrare cb with the same card weight, should be similar to packing something huge.

    So no, packs aren't random like EA states they are, but they'll never tell unless some law comes (which I think it should), forcing companies to be more clear about their ingame purchases. It's gambling. Only difference between in game gambling and IRL gambling is that a 12-year old child can't get into a casino.

    It's shocking no single government has ever taken some kind of action towards these systems.

    (And yes, I'm guilty of spending quite a decent sum of money on FP)

    What's the odds on doing a gauranteed totw pack challenge and getting 3 Malli of the f cuking belt probs better odds than the lottery and I can't win that c unt
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Daveyb wrote: »
    amit37 wrote: »
    I personally feel that anyone that thinks packs aren't random and that EA have different outcomes and weights programmed to different accounts is an idiot, but that's just me.

    you absolutely crazy if you think EA dont rigged the packs.

    Too right mate and the only fools who say it isn't is the mugs whove blagged Messi and the like but have paid £100's on their credit card

    No, many who say it are the ones who’ve spent hundreds and *not* pulled anything of note. Because it’s random, and packs from FP have the same garbage in them.
  • Away Casual
    383 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited December 2017
    Fifa players are at the same cognitive level as flat earthers when it comes to a discussion. No point arguing with any of them.

    I loose because I suck and sometimes because there is lag. Which is not a surprise given EA's terrible servers and general internet traffic fluctuation. Is there momentum and scripting? I dont know. Its probably more level based difficulty and poor matchmaking. How do I explain feet in the mud and all which happens? I dont even try. I just play the game.

    Pack luck? Packed Messi last year and IF Hazard this time, so not complaining but have spent around 500$ each time.

    Point is, the world is greedy and capitalism will suck you dry. Dont like the ride? Get off it but stop crying like a baby its not going to change.

    myFIFAfix
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited December 2017
    Fifa players are at the same cognitive level as flat earthers when it comes to a discussion. No point arguing with any of them.

    I loose because I suck and sometimes because there is lag. Which is not a surprise given EA's terrible servers and general internet traffic fluctuation. Is there momentum and scripting? I dont know. Its probably more level based difficulty and poor matchmaking. How do I explain feet in the mud and all which happens? I dont even try. I just play the game.

    Pack luck? Packed Messi last year and IF Hazard this time, so not complaining but have spent around 500$ each time.

    Point is, the world is greedy and capitalism will suck you dry. Dont like the ride? Get off it but stop crying like a baby its not going to change.

    myFIFAfix

    You're exactly the type of mug EA love and why they do [Removed] $500 on a game that's obsolete in a year.

    [Removed profanity and insults - stop it!]
    Post edited by EA_Lanna on
  • Away Casual
    383 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited December 2017

    Daveyb wrote: »
    Fifa players are at the same cognitive level as flat earthers when it comes to a discussion. No point arguing with any of them.

    I loose because I suck and sometimes because there is lag. Which is not a surprise given EA's terrible servers and general internet traffic fluctuation. Is there momentum and scripting? I dont know. Its probably more level based difficulty and poor matchmaking. How do I explain feet in the mud and all which happens? I dont even try. I just play the game.

    Pack luck? Packed Messi last year and IF Hazard this time, so not complaining but have spent around 500$ each time.

    Point is, the world is greedy and capitalism will suck you dry. Dont like the ride? Get off it but stop crying like a baby its not going to change.

    myFIFAfix

    You're exactly the type of mug EA love and why they do [Removed] $500 on a game that's obsolete in a year.

    [Removed profanity and insults - stop it!]

    My money so I decide how to spend it. No need to attack anyone about it.
  • OldDirtyPackthis
    315 posts Sunday League Hero
    I believe your odds of packing big players changes the more fifa points you buy at once, not the odd £10+ here and there, on release I put an amount I'm ashamed to admit on the game, and since then I've had absolutely nothing, until 5 days ago. Bought the £32 one just out of of boredom and looking at the same team second to last pack out walks Vidal. It would just so happen to be when the points are nearly gone, why? To make you buy more and make you think your luck is changing. In know for a fact as I watched my nephew pack 86 kluivert from a normal 100 point gold pack after getting nothing from 12k points.
  • OldDirtyPackthis
    315 posts Sunday League Hero
    I believe your odds of packing big players changes the more fifa points you buy at once, not the odd £10+ here and there, on release I put an amount I'm ashamed to admit on the game, and since then I've had absolutely nothing, until 5 days ago. Bought the £32 one just out of of boredom and looking at the same team second to last pack out walks Vidal. It would just so happen to be when the points are nearly gone, why? To make you buy more and make you think your luck is changing. In know for a fact as I watched my nephew pack 86 kluivert from a normal 100 point gold pack after getting nothing from 12k points.

    His last 100 points might i add
  • Ranntheman
    304 posts Sunday League Hero
    My brother packed 88 Roberto Carlos last week. He has never bought any FP.

    I have spent £100 on FP and best pull was Martial who I got 50k for.

  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    if ea were a company with integrity they would have a similar system that konami have....and display the percentages.

    as they dont no wonder why people suspect they are rigging packs.

    ea are transparent in nothing they do apart from the balance sheet...thats all they care about.

    they cant even get the netgraph on bf1 right the muppets...talk about completely misleading people
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    When or if I ever get a decent players I might believe it's not rigged until then no chance the only people who get anything are on YouTube opening pack after pack after spending a fortune they get in forms every other pack I'm lucky to get even a board guy every ten packs if I'm lucky and then it's some crumby goalkeeper who nee ones ever heard of there's no way you open hundreds of packs and the best player you get is one thiago no chance you'd have better luck doing the lottery than them odds
  • Daveyb
    2950 posts Fans' Favourite
    Daveyb wrote: »
    Fifa players are at the same cognitive level as flat earthers when it comes to a discussion. No point arguing with any of them.

    I loose because I suck and sometimes because there is lag. Which is not a surprise given EA's terrible servers and general internet traffic fluctuation. Is there momentum and scripting? I dont know. Its probably more level based difficulty and poor matchmaking. How do I explain feet in the mud and all which happens? I dont even try. I just play the game.

    Pack luck? Packed Messi last year and IF Hazard this time, so not complaining but have spent around 500$ each time.

    Point is, the world is greedy and capitalism will suck you dry. Dont like the ride? Get off it but stop crying like a baby its not going to change.

    myFIFAfix

    You're exactly the type of mug EA love and why they do [Removed] $500 on a game that's obsolete in a year.

    [Removed profanity and insults - stop it!]

    My money so I decide how to spend it. No need to attack anyone about it.

    MUG...FACT
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