Gold Most Consistent But Never IF TOTS

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  • Marleigh
    2209 posts Fans' Favourite
    Bidwell wrote: »
    If we are saying that Herrera's 18 apps isnt enough then why is Jedinak on 19 being looked at?

    7 of Herreras appearances have been as a sub, in terms of minutes he has played 2/3 of Jedinaks

    However I don't think cherry picking stats on sqawka advances any debate as people are obviously going to show the stats that show the player in the best light
  • Weston Super Mare
    1688 posts Play-Off Hero
    Morgan Schneiderlin

    Morgan Schneiderlin has been absolutely immense this season. Defensively he is excellent, timing his tackles to perfection and reading the game 10 minutes before anyone else. In his 22 games he's conceded 10 goals. On top of this his general play has been great, he rarely gives the ball away and some of his passing and switching of the play has been world class.

    Stats:

    10 goals conceded in his 22 league appearances.
    89.5% pass accuracy averaging over 60 passes per game.
    3.6 tackles and 2.6 interceptions per game
    Chipped in with 3 goals including a beauty against Newcastle.
    MOTM away from home against United (1-0) and Chelsea (1-1).
    record of 14-3-5 when he has played.

    Highlights:

    Goal vs Newcastle
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    This Pass:


    Schneiderlin has been the best Holding midfielder in the league behind Matic, he is strides ahead of anyone outside the top, he has been Southamptons best player and has been excellent in all of his appearances. He is the definition of consistency.
  • Aarong222
    15406 posts Moderator
    Squawka stats and whoscored should be banned, works a lot better
  • Devers
    7429 posts League Winner
    Aarong222 wrote: »
    Squawka stats and whoscored should be banned, works a lot better

    100%
  • Bidwell wrote: »
    If we are saying that Herrera's 18 apps isnt enough then why is Jedinak on 19 being looked at?

    Jedinak is currently serving a 4? or 5? game suspension and also missed the whole of January due to Asia Cup which he won...

  • Ander Herrera - Provided an attacking option other than the "Fellaini Hoof Ball" for MUFC with his intricate passing and sharp dribbling. As well as showing his defensive capabilities when tracking back to make important challenges. He filled the gap in the midfield that was missing when he was injured (other than Carrick coming back)

    Jordan Henderson - Has improved vastly over the passed few years and has shown what he is capable of, has also scored important goals in important matches.

    Nathaniel Clyne - Solid season for a young talent who provides goals, assists and great defending.

    Jetro Willems - 14 assists from left back says it all.

    Felipe Anderson. - Had an amazing season resulting in him getting a call up to the National team.
  • wth22
    10239 posts Has That Special Something
    Marleigh wrote: »
    Bidwell wrote: »
    If we are saying that Herrera's 18 apps isnt enough then why is Jedinak on 19 being looked at?

    7 of Herreras appearances have been as a sub, in terms of minutes he has played 2/3 of Jedinaks

    However I don't think cherry picking stats on sqawka advances any debate as people are obviously going to show the stats that show the player in the best light

    Squawka stats can also be shown without cherry picking though.
  • Emre Can- Has an average rating of 7.18 in the premier league and ever since moving into Centre Back he has a rating of 7.37. Arguably since moving to centre back, he has helped liverpool discover great defensive form and helped them to keep 10 clean sheets thus far, including 5 away clean sheets. He has also scored 1 goal in the 19 appearances he has made. Putting into perspective centre back is not his original position i think he has done very well to consistently perform at a good level.
  • since the page is filled with biast man united fans or arsenal fan i will include some suggestions (biast): Terry (does a motm count as an inform?) azpilicueta hazard matic fabregas all deserve a spot and everyone is using Squawka i have made lord bendter look better than messi on that so dont use it! but i think from bpl koscielny hazard fabregas matic clyne
  • Henderson
  • Surprised that Valencia (Antonio) isn't on this list. He's had an excellent season at right back, despite being a right winger/midfielder. With the main topic of this thread being 'most consistent', that's exactly what Valencia's been, Mr reliable this season, he hasn't put a foot wrong and has done a solid job all season. He's had the most appearances out of the United defenders, in a team that has the 3rd best defensive record in the league, despite having a crazy amount of defensive injuries throughout this season. If you check the stats out on Squawka he has an average score of 26.22 in comparison to Clyne's 19.33, better pass completion (89% to Clyne's 78%), more assists and more chances created (17 to Clyne's 16), both despite playing 4 less games, an average of 2.42 tackles per game compared to 2.11 and a higher percentage of aerial duels won per game 37.50 to 31.43. Although Clyne has been great at times this season, Valencia has been a lot more consistent and those stats presented don't lie. I hope Valencia's not overlooked, he definitely deserves it over Clyne!
  • Nacer chadli!!!!
  • BMGPlayer90
    59 posts Park Captain
    edited April 2015
    GK: Sommer from Borussia M'Gladbach (Bundesliga)
    CB: Jantschke also from Borussia M'Gladbach
  • wth22
    10239 posts Has That Special Something
    Murph93 wrote: »
    Surprised that Valencia (Antonio) isn't on this list. He's had an excellent season at right back, despite being a right winger/midfielder. With the main topic of this thread being 'most consistent', that's exactly what Valencia's been, Mr reliable this season, he hasn't put a foot wrong and has done a solid job all season. He's had the most appearances out of the United defenders, in a team that has the 3rd best defensive record in the league, despite having a crazy amount of defensive injuries throughout this season. If you check the stats out on Squawka he has an average score of 26.22 in comparison to Clyne's 19.33, better pass completion (89% to Clyne's 78%), more assists and more chances created (17 to Clyne's 16), both despite playing 4 less games, an average of 2.42 tackles per game compared to 2.11 and a higher percentage of aerial duels won per game 37.50 to 31.43. Although Clyne has been great at times this season, Valencia has been a lot more consistent and those stats presented don't lie. I hope Valencia's not overlooked, he definitely deserves it over Clyne!

    As a Man Utd fan I'll say he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this thread
  • Weston Super Mare
    1688 posts Play-Off Hero
    To clear up a few of the points people are making:

    Herrera - No.
    He hasnt made enough starts, definitely has played consistently well and others have been better.
    Playing "okay" for 18 games (6 of which were off the bench) is hardly worthy of a suggestion let alone a spot in the team.

    Jedinak - No.
    He hasn't even been that great this year. Palace have conceded 41 goals and he hasn't beent their key man like last year.

    No Man Utd player should even be suggested. They were consistently poor for 2/3 months in the middle of the season.

    There are two reasons United are in the top 4: De Gea and Rooney.

    The defence has been atrocious, suggesting Jones and Rojo is ridiculous. You put a regular GK behind that back four and United arent fighting for CL football.
  • RazeReQ17
    58 posts Park Captain
    S.Keita is the only player from Roma who should be considered for MC TOTS spot.

    lol'd at Doumbia posts
  • wth22 wrote: »
    Murph93 wrote: »
    Surprised that Valencia (Antonio) isn't on this list. He's had an excellent season at right back, despite being a right winger/midfielder. With the main topic of this thread being 'most consistent', that's exactly what Valencia's been, Mr reliable this season, he hasn't put a foot wrong and has done a solid job all season. He's had the most appearances out of the United defenders, in a team that has the 3rd best defensive record in the league, despite having a crazy amount of defensive injuries throughout this season. If you check the stats out on Squawka he has an average score of 26.22 in comparison to Clyne's 19.33, better pass completion (89% to Clyne's 78%), more assists and more chances created (17 to Clyne's 16), both despite playing 4 less games, an average of 2.42 tackles per game compared to 2.11 and a higher percentage of aerial duels won per game 37.50 to 31.43. Although Clyne has been great at times this season, Valencia has been a lot more consistent and those stats presented don't lie. I hope Valencia's not overlooked, he definitely deserves it over Clyne!

    As a Man Utd fan I'll say he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this thread

    Really? The lads been solid all season, consistent is the exact word i'd use. What reasons would you give to oppose that?
  • Henderson
    25 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Yann Sommer - Borussia Mönchengladbach. Has behind Neuer the most percentage of saved shots in the Bundesliga and also got the 2nd lowest conceded goals behind Bayern with a defense which is not as strong as the defense from Bayern.

    Granit Xhaka - Borussia Mönchengladbach. Is one of the best Box to Box midfielders this season in the Bundesliga. Got an average passing accuracy of 86% the whole season and also an average rating of 7.6 on whoscored.com

    Tony Jantschke - Borussia Mönchengladbach. Playing an awesome season as a CB next to Stranzl. The trio with him, Sommer and Stranzl is the 2nd best defense in the Bundesliga.
  • Weston Super Mare
    1688 posts Play-Off Hero
    Emre Can- Has an average rating of 7.18 in the premier league and ever since moving into Centre Back he has a rating of 7.37. Arguably since moving to centre back, he has helped liverpool discover great defensive form and helped them to keep 10 clean sheets thus far, including 5 away clean sheets. He has also scored 1 goal in the 19 appearances he has made. Putting into perspective centre back is not his original position i think he has done very well to consistently perform at a good level.
    especially taking into account that he is not a very good CB and is an extraordinarily average player overall, who is massively hyped because he plays for Liverpool, I would say he doesnt deserve a spot in the TOTS.

    On top of that he has made 15 starts. Thats half the games so far.
  • wth22
    10239 posts Has That Special Something
    To clear up a few of the points people are making:

    Herrera - No.
    He hasnt made enough starts, definitely has played consistently well and others have been better.
    Playing "okay" for 18 games (6 of which were off the bench) is hardly worthy of a suggestion let alone a spot in the team.

    Jedinak - No.
    He hasn't even been that great this year. Palace have conceded 41 goals and he hasn't beent their key man like last year.

    No Man Utd player should even be suggested. They were consistently poor for 2/3 months in the middle of the season.

    There are two reasons United are in the top 4: De Gea and Rooney.

    The defence has been atrocious, suggesting Jones and Rojo is ridiculous. You put a regular GK behind that back four and United arent fighting for CL football.
    Herrera hasn't been "okay", he's been very good rather. Why should team performances have an effect on player consistency? Even if it did, your facts are wrong, in the middle of the season, if you mean after game 19 onwards, our record is 7:2:2 in the three months after that and we had a streak with 7 wins and 2 draws with no losses before that.

    Rojo might have not done very well but Jones definitely deserves a shout, he's been very good if you've watchd United. And again, for the third time today in the thread, please stop overhyping De Gea's importance to Utd.
  • Aarong222 wrote: »
    Squawka stats and whoscored should be banned, works a lot better
    Who has time to watch every game of every club? Only the fans of each club can give an account of how their clubs players have played all season and how consistent they've been. All we have for other clubs players are stats and maybe the odd game we've watched them play-that doesn't sound consistent to me, watching the odd game and saying a players been amazing all season.
  • wth22
    10239 posts Has That Special Something
    Murph93 wrote: »
    wth22 wrote: »
    Murph93 wrote: »
    Surprised that Valencia (Antonio) isn't on this list. He's had an excellent season at right back, despite being a right winger/midfielder. With the main topic of this thread being 'most consistent', that's exactly what Valencia's been, Mr reliable this season, he hasn't put a foot wrong and has done a solid job all season. He's had the most appearances out of the United defenders, in a team that has the 3rd best defensive record in the league, despite having a crazy amount of defensive injuries throughout this season. If you check the stats out on Squawka he has an average score of 26.22 in comparison to Clyne's 19.33, better pass completion (89% to Clyne's 78%), more assists and more chances created (17 to Clyne's 16), both despite playing 4 less games, an average of 2.42 tackles per game compared to 2.11 and a higher percentage of aerial duels won per game 37.50 to 31.43. Although Clyne has been great at times this season, Valencia has been a lot more consistent and those stats presented don't lie. I hope Valencia's not overlooked, he definitely deserves it over Clyne!

    As a Man Utd fan I'll say he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this thread

    Really? The lads been solid all season, consistent is the exact word i'd use. What reasons would you give to oppose that?

    Don't think he's really been solid, has had a few good games but been mediocre for the most part. Consistently mediocre imo.

  • Greed378
    2369 posts Fans' Favourite
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    There are two reasons United are in the top 4: De Gea and Rooney.

    Rooney was as poor as anyone during the early - middle parts of the season. He's been good lately but it's pretty clear you haven't watched us that often

  • Greed378 wrote: »
    My personal 6 your being too biast i feel that no man u player should be in tots mc de gea and rooney have been consistent but they have an inform! and please dont use Squawka football isnt about stats! you need to watch there games to see how they play and its clear you only watch man u

    Phil Jones:
    Many people laugh at him because of his funny gormless face but look beyond and you will see a superb CB who has been part of the leagues third best defence, despite having some shaky partners, and a CB with stats comparable to the worlds best, let alone the leagues best. An excellent player who must surely be a strong contender for the team
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    Ander Herrera:
    Another United player, who has been excellent for a much improved United midfield this season, providing several goals and creating many chances as well as providing a strong defensive contribution. He has been a key player in the midfield when he has played and has shown he is an energetic and combative midfielder who could play for any team
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    Moussa Sissoko:
    Another energetic and combative midfielder, Sissoko has been excellent whether deployed on the wing or in the centre of midfield. He has been able to drive through defences and shrug off challenges while also winning the ball back and allowing players like Ayoze Perez to show their talent. A key player.

    Clyne:
    Despite being a cert for TOTS, Clyne's excellent performances should also make him a contender for this team. Clyne has been the best rightback in the league, as part of the best defence in the league. Along with his strong defensive contribution he has provided goals and assists as well as being a constant threat with his pace.

    Nzonzi:
    He is the reason behind Stoke sitting in 8th place, an incredible position for team with such small stature. He has been able to provide a strong defensive base allowing Stoke's players to attack with confidence as well as providing a few chances and goals himself. Nzonzi is a key player who may well be eyeing a top move come the summer

    Jordan Henderson:
    Has matured into an excellent box to box midfielder who may well find himself captaining one of the biggest teams in the country next season. Has provided several key goals in massive games and is a definite shout for the team
    My personal 6
  • To clear up a few of the points people are making:

    Jedinak - No.
    He hasn't even been that great this year. Palace have conceded 41 goals and he hasn't beent their key man like last year.

    Jedinak's problem isn't that he's the key man and Palaces defensive problems aren't his fault either.

    The reason we're shipped so many is because we never worked on defending under Warnock and he's only played once or twice under Pardew.

    The fact he's continued his amazing form from last season through to this season under awful management and into the Asian Cup show's that he's the most consistent imo.
  • Emre Can- Has an average rating of 7.18 in the premier league and ever since moving into Centre Back he has a rating of 7.37. Arguably since moving to centre back, he has helped liverpool discover great defensive form and helped them to keep 10 clean sheets thus far, including 5 away clean sheets. He has also scored 1 goal in the 19 appearances he has made. Putting into perspective centre back is not his original position i think he has done very well to consistently perform at a good level.
    especially taking into account that he is not a very good CB and is an extraordinarily average player overall, who is massively hyped because he plays for Liverpool, I would say he doesnt deserve a spot in the TOTS.

    On top of that he has made 15 starts. Thats half the games so far.

    No, due to the formation choice by Brendan Rodgers , he's allowed a little bit more freedom and because he is the right sided centre back he is allowed to utilise his powerful nature to surge forward and really has the ability to spread a ball 40 yards to ease pressure. This allows him to be that little bit different to your ordinary centre and it adds an extra dimension to Liverpool's defence. Oh and by the way, 15 starts is more than other people that are being mentioned
  • Sokker14
    4247 posts National Call-Up
    Morgan Schneiderlin

    Morgan Schneiderlin has been absolutely immense this season. Defensively he is excellent, timing his tackles to perfection and reading the game 10 minutes before anyone else. In his 22 games he's conceded 10 goals. On top of this his general play has been great, he rarely gives the ball away and some of his passing and switching of the play has been world class.

    Stats:

    10 goals conceded in his 22 league appearances.
    89.5% pass accuracy averaging over 60 passes per game.
    3.6 tackles and 2.6 interceptions per game
    Chipped in with 3 goals including a beauty against Newcastle.
    MOTM away from home against United (1-0) and Chelsea (1-1).
    record of 14-3-5 when he has played.

    Highlights:

    Goal vs Newcastle
    MerryAridDodo.gif

    This Pass:


    Schneiderlin has been the best Holding midfielder in the league behind Matic, he is strides ahead of anyone outside the top, he has been Southamptons best player and has been excellent in all of his appearances. He is the definition of consistency.
    This is a quality post.
  • For the French Ligue 1 :

    Morel (OM/Ligue 1) - He's been outstanding this season.
    He always played LB, and was committing quite a lot of mistakes, that were costing lot of points to Marseille, but Bielsa played him as a CB, and he's just having a wonderful season. One of the key element to team!
  • jordansky1111
    6945 posts Big Money Move
    NrV XeNoN wrote: »
    For the French Ligue 1 :

    Morel (OM/Ligue 1) - He's been outstanding this season.
    He always played LB, and was committing quite a lot of mistakes, that were costing lot of points to Marseille, but Bielsa played him as a CB, and he's just having a wonderful season. One of the key element to team!
    Silver.
  • jbunnerz
    1289 posts Professional
    Can anyone who has posted a Squakwa comparison explain how it shows consistency? Those kind of statistics can be distorted by a few great performances
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