EA Have Killed FUT

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  • Torn4do
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…
  • Torn4do
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You are the one that wants to play against lower level players with a stronger team. Handing objectives to you on a plate?

    Some people will always want that advantage and are not happy to start a game with level teams… makes you wonder why… 🤷‍♂️
  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.
  • JRD
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You are the one that wants to play against lower level players with a stronger team. Handing objectives to you on a plate?

    Although actually that’s the exact mindset I mean. Someone beating the same players you have to beat to get the same reward as available to you is the level playing field that’s supposedly being asked for. Yet because someone better at the game finds doing so easier then that’s handing it to them on a plate? Do they not have the exact same task as you do to earn the exact same thing?

    It’s not asking for a level playing field at all it’s asking to cherry pick the bits of the system that suit you while changing everything that doesn’t
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    Alford5 wrote: »
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    edited November 2021
    No you are so wrong….

    It’s about allowing people to all get to play with the better players too.

    Clearly you don’t want to see this…

    If they did this then we’d probably see a better game.

    Would benefit everyone.

    You not like my suggestion of a gaming mode whereby you can choose better players and have a similar league system?

    You have been blinded by FP’s and rewards… so you not remember a time when you played a game for the fun factor?

    Let everyone have a great team in that mode, let everyone have fun and those that prefer not to can stick to only playing WL and DR.

    Again I ask… why not?
    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You are the one that wants to play against lower level players with a stronger team. Handing objectives to you on a plate?

    Although actually that’s the exact mindset I mean. Someone beating the same players you have to beat to get the same reward as available to you is the level playing field that’s supposedly being asked for. Yet because someone better at the game finds doing so easier then that’s handing it to them on a plate? Do they not have the exact same task as you do to earn the exact same thing?

    It’s not asking for a level playing field at all it’s asking to cherry pick the bits of the system that suit you while changing everything that doesn’t

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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    I’ve explained multiple times why I believe there needs to be a merit based system to keep the game engaging and for there to be a point in actually improving

    I’m not sure whether your problem is reading comprehension or plain ignorance but you’re really getting boring now

    I might not agree with your point of view but I acknowledge you have one. Repeatedly asking the same question that’s been answered is just ignorant

  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    I’ve explained multiple times why I believe there needs to be a merit based system to keep the game engaging and for there to be a point in actually improving

    I’m not sure whether your problem is reading comprehension or plain ignorance but you’re really getting boring now

    I might not agree with your point of view but I acknowledge you have one. Repeatedly asking the same question that’s been answered is just ignorant

    What is your opinion then on my suggestion?
  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?
  • JRD
    162 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited November 2021
    Torn4do wrote: »
    No you are so wrong….

    It’s about allowing people to all get to play with the better players too.

    Clearly you don’t want to see this…

    If they did this then we’d probably see a better game.

    Would benefit everyone.

    You not like my suggestion of a gaming mode whereby you can choose better players and have a similar league system?

    You have been blinded by FP’s and rewards… so you not remember a time when you played a game for the fun factor?

    Let everyone have a great team in that mode, let everyone have fun and those that prefer not to can stick to only playing WL and DR.

    Again I ask… why not?
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You are the one that wants to play against lower level players with a stronger team. Handing objectives to you on a plate?

    Although actually that’s the exact mindset I mean. Someone beating the same players you have to beat to get the same reward as available to you is the level playing field that’s supposedly being asked for. Yet because someone better at the game finds doing so easier then that’s handing it to them on a plate? Do they not have the exact same task as you do to earn the exact same thing?

    It’s not asking for a level playing field at all it’s asking to cherry pick the bits of the system that suit you while changing everything that doesn’t

    Nope if it’s in a self contained mode then absolutely fine with that. But when you already have all the best players people stop playing because fut is a progressive mode and there is nothing to progress to if you already have everything. That was my point with the World Cup mode and 85*10, once people have everything they don’t see any reason to play the game

  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Torn4do wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
  • Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    I agree… they have taken their eye off the ball and chased FP sales over good gameplay!
    Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game

  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game

    It will never happen, you know it as well as I do.
  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Alford5 wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
    Torn4do wrote: »
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    Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
    I mean it says pay not play, and you said it.
  • Torn4do
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
    I mean it says pay not play, and you said it.

    Fair one… I misread…

    I take that back but my point remains… we all pay for a game that is impossible to unlock all its characters… agreed?

    I suggest a mode whereby we all get the opportunity to play with each and every character for no rewards…

    You know that the majority would love this… a fun mode with the best players… just peoples gaming skill vs each other…. What’s not to like?
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    Alford5 wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game

    It will never happen, you know it as well as I do.

    And how do you know? Ea won't be top forever ea only top cause there is no other football game apart from pes to play now we have 3 games coming out all with potential ea can't win forever games evolve.

    Example fortnight best br game till war zone came now fortnight has lots of bots in games.

    War craft number 1 mmo for years didn't listen to community and final fantasy listen to community now it's number 1 mmo.

    So if a game comes out which is a great football game and a huge skill gap and fun content ppl won't switch. Remember fifa may have licences but these games are making there own fut version so they will have all player licences which is all you need. Then it's up to us to switch over
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
    I mean it says pay not play, and you said it.

    Fair one… I misread…

    I take that back but my point remains… we all pay for a game that is impossible to unlock all its characters… agreed?

    I suggest a mode whereby we all get the opportunity to play with each and every character for no rewards…

    You know that the majority would love this… a fun mode with the best players… just peoples gaming skill vs each other…. What’s not to like?

    Aside from the fact it won’t happen because you impede point sales

    People don’t like losing and like admitting it’s a fair loss even less. Give them access to all the players and they’ll lose one of the main things they blame for losing so look to blame something else and still be moaning or stop playing the mode

    If you’re winning then you have nothing to achieve. Fut system is winning games helps you to improve your team. If you can’t improve it then most of the appeal goes

    If the majority just wanted to play with the best players from the start then wouldn’t seasons be a lot more popular than fut?

  • Alford5
    729 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited November 2021
    EA will always be top, I’m 30 and at no point in my life has EA not been the best gaming brand, far too rich far too big a name. PES tried and failed for years under Konami and look how that’s turned out.
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
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    Alford5 wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
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    JRD wrote: »
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    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
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    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
    I mean it says pay not play, and you said it.

    Fair one… I misread…

    I take that back but my point remains… we all pay for a game that is impossible to unlock all its characters… agreed?

    I suggest a mode whereby we all get the opportunity to play with each and every character for no rewards…

    You know that the majority would love this… a fun mode with the best players… just peoples gaming skill vs each other…. What’s not to like?

    Aside from the fact it won’t happen because you impede point sales

    People don’t like losing and like admitting it’s a fair loss even less. Give them access to all the players and they’ll lose one of the main things they blame for losing so look to blame something else and still be moaning or stop playing the mode

    If you’re winning then you have nothing to achieve. Fut system is winning games helps you to improve your team. If you can’t improve it then most of the appeal goes

    If the majority just wanted to play with the best players from the start then wouldn’t seasons be a lot more popular than fut?
    That’s because you are addicted to rewards and not the game…

    Most people would sacrifice rewards forma fun game… turn on… play with great players… win or lose no issue… a proper fun mode…

    It doesn’t even need to be part of FUT… call it the fantasy Leagues if you want… just somewhere for someone to go and have fun with the players they love…

    Maybe even a league where each player has a fixed value, you get imaginary budget to mould a team… bingo… loads of fun brought back to the game!

    The people that currently buy FP’s will continue, those that don’t will play fantasy so nothing lost… unless of course you think my idea would be more popular than DR and WL??? 😉
  • Alford5 wrote: »
    EA will always be top, I’m 30 and at no point in my life has EA not been the best gaming brand, far too rich far too big a name. PES tried and failed for years under Konami and look how that’s turned out.

    Yes but how do we know the other will fail ? We can't know until we see gameplay and lots of players will switch of a skill based football games comes along as I said ea only top because because pes fell away.

    We will never know but now ea will have competition and not just 1 game but 3 pes will die but still that's 4 football games all in. So they will have to start puting out good game or they will lose
  • WallStreetGamer
    390 posts Sunday League Hero
    I guess they did kill it for a lot of people. Can’t find a match tonight and when I do it’s massive ping. No one seems to play…
  • Torn4do
    1319 posts Professional
    I guess they did kill it for a lot of people. Can’t find a match tonight and when I do it’s massive ping. No one seems to play…

    Odd isn’t it… no one playing but huge ping!
  • hammycfc
    1041 posts Professional
    EA Please listen to the community
  • Rename123456
    429 posts An Exciting Prospect
    hammycfc wrote: »
    EA Please listen to the community

    They have never listened to their community, and they are not going to start now
  • Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
    Alford5 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    JRD wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Neal_hmfc wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Torn4do wrote: »
    Stav93 wrote: »
    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Go read my suggestion…. Ffs… why do people join in late and miss the important part! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I’ve seen it, it’s rubbish.

    Which part and why?

    The part where you said we all pay the same, we don’t, only for the original content. Everyone knows that unless you’re incredibly lucky you need to spend to get the top top players, If you don’t want to play this ‘lottery’ then go and use the same players on seasons instead.

    When did I say ‘we all play the same?’

    So what would be your objection to a separate mode where people can chose any player they wish to play with… that mode would have no impact on DR or WL etc

    So again why would you not be ok with this and why?
    I mean it says pay not play, and you said it.

    Fair one… I misread…

    I take that back but my point remains… we all pay for a game that is impossible to unlock all its characters… agreed?

    I suggest a mode whereby we all get the opportunity to play with each and every character for no rewards…

    You know that the majority would love this… a fun mode with the best players… just peoples gaming skill vs each other…. What’s not to like?

    Aside from the fact it won’t happen because you impede point sales

    People don’t like losing and like admitting it’s a fair loss even less. Give them access to all the players and they’ll lose one of the main things they blame for losing so look to blame something else and still be moaning or stop playing the mode

    If you’re winning then you have nothing to achieve. Fut system is winning games helps you to improve your team. If you can’t improve it then most of the appeal goes

    If the majority just wanted to play with the best players from the start then wouldn’t seasons be a lot more popular than fut?
    That’s because you are addicted to rewards and not the game…

    Most people would sacrifice rewards forma fun game… turn on… play with great players… win or lose no issue… a proper fun mode…

    It doesn’t even need to be part of FUT… call it the fantasy Leagues if you want… just somewhere for someone to go and have fun with the players they love…

    Maybe even a league where each player has a fixed value, you get imaginary budget to mould a team… bingo… loads of fun brought back to the game!

    The people that currently buy FP’s will continue, those that don’t will play fantasy so nothing lost… unless of course you think my idea would be more popular than DR and WL??? 😉

    No they wouldn't.

    If people had everything people would give up on the game within weeks as it happens basically every year at the end of fifa.

    The grind towards the next card, the one that's supposed to improve your results (but never does) is what keeps people going.

    Also imo you should be able to invest skill, time or money to get your dream team. But if you are a bad player you better expect to invest time into trading (or into getting better) or money into fp. But wanting the best team without having to invest anything would basically kill the game in an instant.
  • The only thing killing this game is mostly the community and everyone just not really caring if the game is good as long as m
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    Whilst I agree that right now it must suck for the below average player, shouldn't it inspire you to get better and improve your skills? There are plenty of tutorials and all that jazz out there on social media, and if you really care enough about the game you should test yourself and try as best you can to improve. I absolutely suck at COD, but I know I'm dreadful, but because my mates all love it, I tag along and I've undoubtedly gotten better over time, though I'm still really bad, but the point is, if you want something enough you can achieve it.

    I don't like or dislike the format this year, it absolutely benefits the better players, but better players should be rewarded for their skillset. I wouldn't get rid of Weekend League qualification, although I do think attempts shouldn't be limited per season, that's a bit naff and does run the risk of leaving those with nothing to do for weeks at a time.

    This is where you are very wrong… by just rewarding the best players means the normal average players never get to experience what it is like to have a decent side, the gap gets bigger and so does the chances of getting better.

    How fun is is to run with a 100k team against the best cards in the game being controlled by the best players..

    People pay for the game and should be able to at some point play with the best cards…

    Unless that is evened out it will never be a level playing field for anyone.

    Every other online game it’s a level playing field.

    The best players should be rewarded more for their skill, you are genuinely mad if you think otherwise. And even regardless of that, the discrepancy between the very best cards in the game and everything else, is so vast that even the average "good" player won't achieve the majority of them until the end of the cycle.

    And it will never be a level playing field full stop, because the game always has, and always will be pay to win.

    Just think about what you are saying… you think everyone should pay for a game but only the best can get to unlock the best players? Do go on and explain how that makes any sense…

    Why shouldn’t average players get the chance to play with Mbappe, ronaldo, neymar, etc?

    Why shouldn’t everyone get to play with the good players and have some fun? Why should they have crap teams all year and always be at a disadvantage?

    Sport should be a level playing field!

    You had a good point until your last sentence. Sport in virtually every country worldwide is about money. The rich get UCL money, the best TV deals and get richer. I'm struggling to think of any european league i'd say is a level playing field. Fifa is similar in that best players get the best rewards so keep getting richer.

    The problem is that for Mbappe, Ronaldo, etc. to be available to average players (say div 6 and don't play weekend league) then good players would have them within a week. That takes away the grind for the good players so they play less and there will always be the gap.

    Taking your example to an extreme but if everyone got the same players then what is the point in someone being elite playing 200 games a season when it doesn't get them better rewards than someone would get in D6. There would be no motivation so EA would lose their hardcore player base.

    Goes back to what i've said a lot on here. I've not seen how many people have bought Fifa 22 but i'd guess around 35 million. When you have that many players all wanting different things EA can't win. Even if the game is perfect (which it definitely isn't) you'd probably still have 1% of players complaining. That is still 350,000 people who would make a lot of noise on forums, twitter and reddit.

    If the game was a card collecting game I’d agree totally with you, but it’s meant to be an e-sport…

    It would be great if everyone could have a great team and play for fun… problem is and always will be Fut Points… EA have decided it’s more important to create a divide to entice people to buy points…

    Ea have created a game that used to be about making a realistic sports game and now resembles very little to do with the sport.

    It’s a shame that greed means people pay for a game they will never get to play in its entirety.

    But hey, that’s just my opinion… would be great if the kids could get a decent team to play with…


    But if you want to use the e-sport line then if you’re being consistent you’d want open matchmaking across the board so people would lose their artificial 50% winrates. When that happens and they can’t blame fifa points and team disadvantage then they find something else to blame instead. Because these threads prove time and time again that people who are bad at fifa will find every reason imaginable rather than take the slightest bit of responsibility for the fact they’re simply not very good

    Why would you have to open up matchmaking?

    Simply set it up so that you can work towards getting the better cards in a non lottery set up, play for fun again… remember those days… good weren’t they.

    Please explain why it’s fair to prevent ‘bad’ players as you describe them from playing with the best cards? This is a game that everyone has paid for, bad players don’t pay less… so why do they get less from it?

    I’d be happy if it was the more you play the more you unlock.

    And there you go. You want parity but only where it suits you. You mention esports but then back SBMM.

    Elite division players paid the same, if not more when you include points and/or ultimate edition. Why would you be able to cherry pick opponents if the rewards are the same? (Not actually making that argument just pointing out the flaw in yours)

    You want to remove every advantage of putting time, effort and money into the game in the name of a level playing field yet then when one of the lower division players advantages is mentioned you don’t want a level playing field at all

    No you are making out I’m saying something completely different…

    You brought matchmaking into it… not me… I say keep the same league system so you play at your level… don’t you find games more fun when playing a similar skill level opponent?

    Just explain why you think bad players should never get to use the best cards!! Then tell us all why they should bother to buy a game they’ll never get to experience in full!

    I brought matchmaking into it to make the point that you claim to be asking for a level playing field when you aren’t. You’re asking for a system where lower divisions get as much as the higher divisions but keeps the division system in place to manipulate matchmaking and make it easier to obtain the same thing

    To steal your line I paid the same for the game as lower division players so why should they get easier games if we’re playing for the same thing

    And yes it might not be the most popular opinion but for me if you’re a “bad” player then the onus should be on you to improve to a level that you aren’t rather than expect the system to hold everyone else back to your level


    Again you are making strawman arguments and completely misrepresenting everything I have said…

    Tell us all how it’s fair for a ‘bad’ player to never get to play with top cards….

    The floor is yours…

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a system that rewards people putting any combination of time effort and money into a game over those that don’t. And with effort I include getting better at the game

    But then I never went in for people getting their little participation medal for finishing last either

    But it’s not time and effort is it… you could play 70 games a week and never have a decent player.

    My point is they should bring in system or mode whereby people can utilise the better players and have some fun…

    Why are you against poor players getting good cards too?

    If they are bad players what difference will it make to you? You’ll still win… but at least they get to experience decent cards and start the game on a level playing field.

    Just going round in circles at this point. If you settle for being a “bad” player then accept it’s going to impede your experience. If that bothers you put some effort into improving rather than trying to hold everyone else back

    Never said I was bad, I have a bad team for sure and doesn’t do me any favours in division 1 I can tell you that.

    But you clearly can’t understand the points being made…

    You failed to explain why a bad player (that’s what you call me) would like to play with a decent side and not be at a disadvantage before the game kicks off!

    Remember it’s you that wants to hold people back, you want better players to gain further advantages over and above poorer players…

    What are you scared of?

    You not want a level playing field?

    Again you’re not asking for a level playing field, you’re asking for everything to be handed on a plate so you can then go back to your division with the same as people putting a lot more into the game. Of course bad players would like to play with the best players but put them against a better player and they still lose so they’ll blame mechanics instead

    The system you’re asking for takes away any point to improving at the game whatsoever as all it does is make your matchmaking harder with no upside

    It’s also worth remembering World Cup mode a few years ago. Easy to get all the top players, good players stopped playing because there was nothing left to achieve, bad players for the same reason or because they couldn’t blame their team for their losses. Game mode died before it even got started

    Same with the 85x10 at the end of last year, anyone who put the time in could get the very best players in those last few weeks, yet didn’t see so many saying they were hanging around on 21 to use them, most switched to 22 on release to start over

    If having the very best available to all was the driving force behind people playing wouldn’t ea be struggling to get people to switch to 22 and wouldn’t the World Cup mode have thrived?

    You just want to make sure that not everyone can enjoy the game, not will they gain the chance to play with the players they want to…

    Why are you so scared of everyone having good teams???

    Will it make it too hard for you?

    I pity people like you that seem to want to ensure that only certain customers get to benefit!

    Explain to us why you think worse players shouldn’t get the chance to play with the best players?

    Take it away…. I’m here to listen…

    Go and play the other game modes then you can play with any player you want. Fut is a competetive mode of course everyone shouldn’t have the same things.

    Don't worry mate 3 more football games are coming out all it takes is one to be really good and fut may lose a lot of players and it will be ea fault for not listing to community.

    I for one can't wait more football games the better and more competition to ea may get them to make a good skill based game

    It will never happen, you know it as well as I do.

    And how do you know? Ea won't be top forever ea only top cause there is no other football game apart from pes to play now we have 3 games coming out all with potential ea can't win forever games evolve.

    Example fortnight best br game till war zone came now fortnight has lots of bots in games.

    War craft number 1 mmo for years didn't listen to community and final fantasy listen to community now it's number 1 mmo.

    So if a game comes out which is a great football game and a huge skill gap and fun content ppl won't switch. Remember fifa may have licences but these games are making there own fut version so they will have all player licences which is all you need. Then it's up to us to switch over

    The likelihood of either of those games being a good game on their first try is very very slim. The likelihood of any of them coming out before 2024 even more slim
  • hammycfc
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    Games been out just over a month and you need to wait to find a game. Rivals is that bad nobody’s playing it at the start. Ask yourself this question why’s nobody playing rivals?

    Because it’s poor
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