-- The big latency/ping/input problem Thread --

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Aias87
625 posts Sunday League Hero
INTRODUCTION
Hi guys. Since I've been seeing so much threads popping up in which people claim the experience unexplainable problems with their online game play, I'd thought I try to write some of my thoughts down. For our beloved moderators, this discussion will not be about scripting/handicap/momentum or any other unproven theories. In my humble opionion these concepts are all myths and directly related to a problem I refer to as 'input lag'. This type of lag creates the illusion of the game being against you as the delay in input makes AI and controlled players act extremely unpredictable. My intentions are to steer discussion away from the handicap claims, and to focus our energy on the possible underlying causes of input lag.

Now, as a disclaimer I do not see myself as a fantastic FIFA player, nor do I aspire to be one. I've won Division 1 in H2H several times this year, but have just relegated to Division 5 in FUT. This has a number of reasons, one being the fact that slower gameplay suits my playstyle better. Plus I mainly use B/S/G teams just to come up against full TOTY teams a lot lately :p. And last but not least, waves of horrendous input lag. I figure I'd be a Division 2 or 3 player in FUT when never experiencing input lag. (At least, I used to when not experiencing lag for a couple of weeks.)

BACKGROUND
So I'm a FIFA fanatic in my late twenties who has been playing FIFA ever since my dad brought how a brand new computer and a FIFA '97 disk. The first time I played FIFA online was when I bought an XBOX360 and FIFA10. I started playing FUT and was immediatly hooked.

My setup at the time was a cabled connection from my XBOX360 to my router, with my Dutch ISP being Ziggo. I lived in student housing with only 3 other guys who weren't much into gaming so I was mainly using the internet connection. I did use to get awfull waves of input lag that could last for a week and then vanish in thin air. When gone, I'd really enjoy the game.

In the following years the problem stayed with me, periods of lag, periods without lag. Enough lag free games too keep me hooked, enough lagging games to keep me frustrated (about 50/50). I tried everything there is exept for switching ISP's. (wasn't always in my power to do so.)

During this period I've lived in two different cities, have had the best speeds Ziggo has to offer, and played on both an XBOX360 and a PS4.

So what is it that I experience during these waves of input lag?

IN GAME EXPERIENCES
- Framedrops. Most well know form of latency issues, stuttering imagery. Strangly this occurs not too often.
- Short passes are too soft. Most likely due to too little button input. This makes possession play really hard.
- Close range finishing doesn't work. Shots can't be aimed at the goalcorners, but go straight at the keeper.
- Players use the 'Stretched first-touch' animation for balls that are 100% placed at their feet.
- AI never intercepts the ball. Even when it practically runs over their feet.
- Players fail to accept a pass. Making the ball ricochets towards an opponent. (no animation)
- Players turn extremely slowly. Best example of button lag, players respond too late & feel like glue.
- Timed headers that jump to early or too late. Mostly hard on defending corner kicks.
- Well timed tackles that never obtain possession. They just bump the ball over the side-lines.
- Loads and loads of fouls Mostly with players that bump into other opponents (not carrying the ball.)
- Player switching becomes really hard. I use both manual and L1 for player switching, which can become random.
- Random passes and shots aren't executed. Instead players keep walking in a straight line.
- Conceding a lot during the final third.

A lot of people complain about conceding in the 90th minute which is, in my eyes a combination of accumulated lag and loss of fitness of your players. From around the 70th minute of a game I start to lose the little control I had over the game due to issues mentioned above. The lag always seems to get gradually worse during a match. Loads of times I was ahead two or three goals at halftime, but I still managed to lose.

CURRENT SETUP
- Samsung Flatscreen LE32B350F1W
- PS4
- CAT6 UTP cable ~ 2 meters
- Ubee Modem
- ISP Ziggo 120mbit/12mbit service
- FIFA15 disk

FAQ
- Do you have a sufficient internet connection?
Yes I have. I have the following deal my ISP (Ziggo) has to offer:
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- Is your connection wired?
Yes, my PS4 is wired up with a CAT6 UTP cable to my Ubee modem-router, short distance.

- Is your controller wired?
Often yes, doesn't make a noticable difference.

- Are your ports forwarded?
I've experimented a lot throughout the years with port range forwarding & port range triggering. To no avail. Currently my PS4 is in DMZ.

- Maybe it's your router?
I've had 3 different routers/modem's over the years. Same problems every time.

- Have you enabled/disabled uPnP?
I've played with both settings, currently disabled. Doesn't do anything for me.

- Have you enabled/disabled hospitality settings?
Disabled.

- Have you enabled/disabled EATRAX?
Disabled.

- What is your NAT?
My NAT is a type 2.

- Is something wrong with your console?
I've had this issue for many years now on both my XBOX360 as my PS4. Exact same problem.

- Do you experience lag with other games?
I rarely play other online games than FIFA, but in Call of Duty or GTAV I've never experienced similar issues. My guess is that it's FIFA only.

Reactions to Frequent Statements:
- All players get lag, even those with great records.
True. Allthough I often experience these lag issues in gigantic waves that can last for weeks. Every single game in such a wave has this input lag. When I don't suffer from it I get the occasional laggy game. Not a problem.

- FUT is just full of bs, deal with it.
I can absolutely deal with weird games at times. It's the little things that really annoy me most such as the soft passing and player switching.

POSSIBLE CAUSES & WILD THEORIES
- High ping EA servers
When trying to ping easo.ea.com I get awfull results varying from 100.000ms to 300.000ms.
I'd love to see some of your results.

- The ELO system
When there is no input lag I win most of my games resulting in a higher ELO. I've thought about this often, that maybe when my ELO increases, my lag starts kicking in, resulting in an ELO drop. This would in turn make the lag go away, for a short while.

- Lag compensation
There's a theory that claims when you have the best connection in P2P games you might experience negatives from lag compensation. I don't really grasp the concept of this though.

- My TV creates input lag
I've never in al these years switched TV's. I've had a big Samsung TV all this time, but since the input lag is inconsistent it doesn't seem to originate from my TV.

- Faulty routing
When performing a traceroute to easo.ea.com my routing goes through Frankfurt, Germany which makes me wonder why, since I live in the South of the Netherlands. Maybe routing through Great Brittain would be better?

CONCLUSION
I'd like to ask everyone that has any information or tips to help me and others eliminate this problem, as it is incredibly frustrating. Also I'd like to ask mods to direct people to this thread for discussions about disadvantages experienced when playing online FIFA.

* Please refrain from discussing handicap/scripting etc, as it is forbidden to do so on these forums.
** I shall try to obtain proof by filming my games in the upcoming days.
*** Lastly I'd like you guys to sign this thread when you regularly encounter these problems like I do. Maybe there's comfort in numbers.

Comments

  • Aias87
    625 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited August 2015
    'Official' response by EA on the matter. PS4 only:
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    Documentation on traces & ping
    https://help.ea.com/uk/article/ping-traceroute-and-uo-trace/#traceroute
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  • Aias87
    625 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited September 2015
    PEOPLE THAT EXPERIENCE INPUT LAG ON A REGULAR BASIS


    UK
    F3RNY7 - UK
    D0N L0GAN - UK
    silas1980 - UK

    Rest of Europe
    Aias87 - The Netherlands
    MemphisDepay - The Netherlands
    Lurtex - Norway
    Finxjar - Croatia
    PalermO88 - Belgium
    WWEFAN24_TRIPLEH - Germany
    Soiski - Finland
    RazeReQ17 - Poland
    Masakari - Portugal
    Fifa92i - France

    USA
    Jfo88 - USA (Texas)
    Clint Eastwood - USA (Westcoast)
    futbolLover - USA (Florida)

    UNKNOWN
    sonofocelot -
    BrettO -
    Huntskij -
    ha032742 -
    Celinhohyoga -
    ProSkillZ10 -
    Oside Reds -
    Nornlron -
    Pittphan -
    Mr.Spireite -
    Simplylarry -
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  • Oside Reds
    496 posts Sunday League Hero
    Best post ever. The game is so fun when the lag and it's consequences aren't there, but it's so hit and miss. I've experienced all these thing you've outlined. Thanks for taking the time to put this post together.

    Oside Reds
  • Aias87
    625 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited August 2015
    Oside Reds wrote: »
    Best post ever. The game is so fun when the lag and it's consequences aren't there, but it's so hit and miss. I've experienced all these thing you've outlined. Thanks for taking the time to put this post together.

    Oside Reds

    Thanks! I'll add your name. Where are you from? Maybe demografics show extra insight.
  • MemphisDepay
    6020 posts Big Money Move
    Same here bro! Its unplayable and not even slightly fun when everything feels sluggish. I live in the Netherlands too
  • Clint Eastwood
    3252 posts National Call-Up
    I definitely experience input lag.
    Live on the West (best) coast of America.
  • NornIron
    11356 posts Has That Special Something
    U can add my name to the list.
  • celinhohyoga
    191 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    The slow-most effect, it feels slow at everything, but doesn't freeze or something, it's horrible.
  • pittphan
    3022 posts National Call-Up
    edited August 2015
    I experience button lag even when playing offline.... playing online and experiencing any lag makes the game totally unenjoyable for me, so I play mostly "offline" Fut. I still get the "Waves" of input/button lag that makes playing the AI totally frustrating and very difficult to break down - especially on the dribble. It is like I am holding a certain direction after beating a defender (with or without the sprint button) and there is a second delay before my player actually moves... by then the defender slides in to get the ball. Other times... It is like I glide past players and the controller response is immediate. I have my own suspicions, which I will leave out of this thread. I support this thread, OP, and hopefully we can make enough noise to elicit a formal response from the Fifa Team.
  • Mr.Spireite
    1656 posts Play-Off Hero
    To me the lag and problems started about after the bundlesliga tourney. Ever since I can count the lag free games on one hand. It'd just got worse since. I have also had so many disconnects in the last 10 mins of a game it's silly.
  • RadioShaq
    15086 posts Moderator
    I don't get whats so crazy about lag? Plenty of other games host has a slight advantage. Cod has always been like this same with holo. 2k servers are probably the worst. Its a known issue if you live east coast and play lol. You are always going to have up and downs.

    Also another problem is when testing your connection don't always pick the closest server. My 9 ping turns to 100 when testing west coast and 120 when playing uk. You know someone with a bad connection is going to be much higher dragging the game down.
  • Fumbler
    2509 posts Fans' Favourite
    I know you don't want to hear it, but it's the game. It's most likely coded into the game so that every body can get wins. If the casual or no skill players couldn't win matches, they would quit the game. Quitting the game equates to less money for EA. It really is that simple.

    FUT has ruined the game, basically. Everything they do in designing the game revolves around keeping people addicted to the mode.
  • Fumbler
    2509 posts Fans' Favourite
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    I don't get whats so crazy about lag? Plenty of other games host has a slight advantage. Cod has always been like this same with holo. 2k servers are probably the worst. Its a known issue if you live east coast and play lol. You are always going to have up and downs.

    Also another problem is when testing your connection don't always pick the closest server. My 9 ping turns to 100 when testing west coast and 120 when playing uk. You know someone with a bad connection is going to be much higher dragging the game down.

    Game play is not played on their servers. You connect to your opponent via the outdated P2P system. Even if you have the best connection in the world, it can be brought to it's knees if your opponent is playing on dial-up.
  • Lurtex
    549 posts Sunday League Hero
    I get these lag waves aswell. It swings daily for me. 1 day I have no problems. The other, only problems.

    Sign me up. Im from Norway
  • RadioShaq
    15086 posts Moderator
    Fumbler wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    I don't get whats so crazy about lag? Plenty of other games host has a slight advantage. Cod has always been like this same with holo. 2k servers are probably the worst. Its a known issue if you live east coast and play lol. You are always going to have up and downs.

    Also another problem is when testing your connection don't always pick the closest server. My 9 ping turns to 100 when testing west coast and 120 when playing uk. You know someone with a bad connection is going to be much higher dragging the game down.

    Game play is not played on their servers. You connect to your opponent via the outdated P2P system. Even if you have the best connection in the world, it can be brought to it's knees if your opponent is playing on dial-up.

    Thats right and you put it that simple. I don't know why everyone adds so much to it like op said wild theories. Even games on dedicated servers experience lag. About every game Ive ever seen has documented lag so someone saying every other game has never lagged seems odd. Maybe saying other games lag less or maybe they don't notice it as different games handle lag differently.

  • COACH
    20494 posts Club Captain
    I tried all those and have a very similar setup. The most successful thing I've found is to plug my Ethernet cord directly to the modem when I play. Always home team as my NAT become type 1. Very few laggy games.
  • Fumbler wrote: »
    I know you don't want to hear it, but it's the game. It's most likely coded into the game so that every body can get wins. If the casual or no skill players couldn't win matches, they would quit the game. Quitting the game equates to less money for EA. It really is that simple.

    FUT has ruined the game, basically. Everything they do in designing the game revolves around keeping people addicted to the mode.

    this thought has crossed my mind before, but i'm always left wondering why then do a lot of people never experience this? why are so many left alone to enjoy the game in a smooth and responsive state at all times?
  • Excellent thread by the way. You can add me to the list. These problems have plagued me since fifa 13. Hopefully everybody who experiences this on a regular basis and can't enjoy fifa as it's meant to be is alerted to this thread and puts their name down, and EA are made aware of just how many people have to make do with the one dimensional laggy version of fifa that is so frustrating, it's almost sadistic at times!

    I think this thread should be made a sticky and act almost like a petition to sort this ridiculous problem out once and for all. It's not a bit of micro delay that is just part and parcel of online gaming, it's game breaking and often unplayable delay, and affects everything about the game in a bad way. It must be on EA's part because so many people out there have tried every solution possible and still, the problem returns or persists. There are many threads and posts on EA's Answers forum by long time sufferers as well as on other sites, and it's about time they all came together in one place.

    It's not good enough and needs fixing as an absolute priority.
  • Excellent thread by the way. You can add me to the list. These problems have plagued me since fifa 13. Hopefully everybody who experiences this on a regular basis and can't enjoy fifa as it's meant to be is alerted to this thread and puts their name down, and EA are made aware of just how many people have to make do with the one dimensional laggy version of fifa that is so frustrating, it's almost sadistic at times!

    I think this thread should be made a sticky and act almost like a petition to sort this ridiculous problem out once and for all. It's not a bit of micro delay that is just part and parcel of online gaming, it's game breaking and often unplayable delay, and affects everything about the game in a bad way. It must be on EA's part because so many people out there have tried every solution possible and still, the problem returns or persists. There are many threads and posts on EA's Answers forum by long time sufferers as well as on other sites, and it's about time they all came together in one place.

    It's not good enough and needs fixing as an absolute priority.
  • Aias87
    625 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited August 2015
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    I don't get whats so crazy about lag? Plenty of other games host has a slight advantage. Cod has always been like this same with holo. 2k servers are probably the worst. Its a known issue if you live east coast and play lol. You are always going to have up and downs.

    Also another problem is when testing your connection don't always pick the closest server. My 9 ping turns to 100 when testing west coast and 120 when playing uk. You know someone with a bad connection is going to be much higher dragging the game down.

    You're not getting why I created this post. Lag is ok with most of us, when it comes and goes. A laggy game once and awhile isn't too bad.

    But how 'bout 40 straight games with extreme input lag. Followed by 40 games without it?
  • Aias87
    625 posts Sunday League Hero
    COACH wrote: »
    I tried all those and have a very similar setup. The most successful thing I've found is to plug my Ethernet cord directly to the modem when I play. Always home team as my NAT become type 1. Very few laggy games.

    Hi Coach, I've got my PS4 directly plugged into my router-modem. It's a single object not two different ones :). Doesn't do the trick for me.
  • been terrible last few days
  • Jfo88
    22613 posts Club Captain
    Houston Texas same issues and I've talked to rob about it. Currently being investigated is what I'm told
  • WWEFAN24_TRIPLEH
    14322 posts Has That Special Something
    I have an ingame delay since few months. (Germany)
  • COACH
    20494 posts Club Captain
    Aias87 wrote: »
    COACH wrote: »
    I tried all those and have a very similar setup. The most successful thing I've found is to plug my Ethernet cord directly to the modem when I play. Always home team as my NAT become type 1. Very few laggy games.

    Hi Coach, I've got my PS4 directly plugged into my router-modem. It's a single object not two different ones :). Doesn't do the trick for me.

    Interesting. If I directly connect to my router I'm still NAT type 2 and it lags more. When I plug it directly to the cable modem (ie not other device in the house could get internet) it works great.
  • online was so bad for fifa 15 in ps4, input lag,players acting weird,impossible to move player or dribbling, even like that , i won dv 1 seasons , many cups, dv 1 UT (without pay a single dollar).i love this game when is lagfree , but 80% of games lag this year :(
  • hayhor1
    14278 posts Has That Special Something
    COACH wrote: »
    Aias87 wrote: »
    COACH wrote: »
    I tried all those and have a very similar setup. The most successful thing I've found is to plug my Ethernet cord directly to the modem when I play. Always home team as my NAT become type 1. Very few laggy games.

    Hi Coach, I've got my PS4 directly plugged into my router-modem. It's a single object not two different ones :). Doesn't do the trick for me.

    Interesting. If I directly connect to my router I'm still NAT type 2 and it lags more. When I plug it directly to the cable modem (ie not other device in the house could get internet) it works great.
    If your modem a router as well? Maybe the op should split his and try being the only connection.
  • Keano16
    680 posts Sunday League Hero
    nothing you can do, its down to EA to fix this lag problem. At the very least give a working ping bar.
  • Finxjar
    39 posts Last Pick at the Park
    edited August 2015
    Thank you for creating this thread. I am from Croatia and my problems with input lag started 2-3 months ago, everything was smooth untill than. First i played on PC than i bought PS4 but the problem remained.

    I have quality connection and i dont have problems with any other games i play f.ex. BF4, also i tried every possible solution; NAT, Port opening, DMZ...nothing helps.

    Im not sure if i should buy FIFA 16 i am afraid i will waste my money if problem remains. :(
  • F3RNY7
    41 posts Last Pick at the Park
    edited August 2015
    I've suffered with this for as long as i can remember (UK, Xbox One and 360)have tried all modem and router configurations, port forwarding, DMZ, UPNP, controller changes, new gamertag, TV changes....

    But the bottom line is fifa is the only area I experience this. No issues with far more bandwidth demanding games and applications.

    My guess is either it's coded into the game (but then again you get plenty of people saying they don't have such issues) or its an issue with specific EA servers.

    I get it in 9 out of 10 games and for that reason I've barely touched FUT in months and I used to be a complete addict.

    FIFA must be the most unstable game in history with the constant server issues, web app issues, random DNFs, shed loads of downtime throughout the year....so I'm 100% convinced whatever issue there is is at EAs end. My hardware setup literally could not be more conducive to a blissful online experience, which I get in all other areas, but never have (or will, it seems) in FIFA.

    For the first time in years I will not be buying a new FIFA this year. I'll wait until I can borrow a copy for a week and see whether anything has changed before I give EA more of my hard earned money. They can make all the improvements they like to visuals, licences, stadiums, new game modes but none of that matters when you can't play the game properly due to factors outside of your control.
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