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Even more YES!!! Ban Process.

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  • michaelFTM
    411 posts Sunday League Hero
    YouTubers think they are untouchable because if they get banned they'll just make a new account, they need to ask YouTubers to remove their content or ban their channels. EA aren't stamping out the problem
  • ASH32
    1791 posts Play-Off Hero
    michaelFTM wrote: »
    YouTubers think they are untouchable because if they get banned they'll just make a new account, they need to ask YouTubers to remove their content or ban their channels. EA aren't stamping out the problem

    It won't be quite as easy next year if they want to make next gen videos as their sponsors won't be able to give them an unlimited supply of coins without a coin glitch, well until they find another glitch at least.

    So every time they get banned they have to start again with nothing unless they stay on old gen and keep getting given coins every time they make a new club, as happens now.
  • ASH32 wrote: »
    michaelFTM wrote: »
    YouTubers think they are untouchable because if they get banned they'll just make a new account, they need to ask YouTubers to remove their content or ban their channels. EA aren't stamping out the problem

    It won't be quite as easy next year if they want to make next gen videos as their sponsors won't be able to give them an unlimited supply of coins without a coin glitch, well until they find another glitch at least.

    So every time they get banned they have to start again with nothing unless they stay on old gen and keep getting given coins every time they make a new club, as happens now.

    Keep in mind, that for all we know, the actual smart people that came up with the original hacks, already have cracked the next gen or at least know how they would. They just havent utilized it because there is no reason to tip their hand. We shall see how this plays out
  • ASH32
    1791 posts Play-Off Hero
    ASH32 wrote: »
    michaelFTM wrote: »
    YouTubers think they are untouchable because if they get banned they'll just make a new account, they need to ask YouTubers to remove their content or ban their channels. EA aren't stamping out the problem

    It won't be quite as easy next year if they want to make next gen videos as their sponsors won't be able to give them an unlimited supply of coins without a coin glitch, well until they find another glitch at least.

    So every time they get banned they have to start again with nothing unless they stay on old gen and keep getting given coins every time they make a new club, as happens now.

    Keep in mind, that for all we know, the actual smart people that came up with the original hacks, already have cracked the next gen or at least know how they would. They just havent utilized it because there is no reason to tip their hand. We shall see how this plays out

    True, they are certainly going to try, they are not just going to abandon coin selling as it a way of life to them.

  • Robes
    1735 posts Play-Off Hero
    ASH32 wrote: »
    michaelFTM wrote: »
    YouTubers think they are untouchable because if they get banned they'll just make a new account, they need to ask YouTubers to remove their content or ban their channels. EA aren't stamping out the problem

    It won't be quite as easy next year if they want to make next gen videos as their sponsors won't be able to give them an unlimited supply of coins without a coin glitch, well until they find another glitch at least.

    So every time they get banned they have to start again with nothing unless they stay on old gen and keep getting given coins every time they make a new club, as happens now.

    Keep in mind, that for all we know, the actual smart people that came up with the original hacks, already have cracked the next gen or at least know how they would. They just havent utilized it because there is no reason to tip their hand. We shall see how this plays out

    The smart people who came out with the hacks in this instance are not the same ones who hacked the consoles. In other words, super smart people opened the door and the smart people just walked through it. I cannot see an exploit being found in either console for some time so unless EA has made a mistake in the coding somewhere (which they could patch anyway) it'll be fine.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    edited September 2015
    I'm suddenly curious if quitting matches against the AI to reap the coin boosts during early access would be considered "coin farming." Given that there are no warnings anymore, something that might be good to have clarified, given that a lot of people plan to do it. Because I could certainly see it qualifying.

    Edit: clearly the scale is small enough not to impact the market. Just saying that if they're enforcing strictly? Could see it.
  • Spike_hunter2
    18 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Lets see how they stop all the bloody Youtuber sick of them all.
  • Orikoru
    10712 posts Has That Special Something
    heavymcd wrote: »
    I'm suddenly curious if quitting matches against the AI to reap the coin boosts during early access would be considered "coin farming." Given that there are no warnings anymore, something that might be good to have clarified, given that a lot of people plan to do it. Because I could certainly see it qualifying.

    Edit: clearly the scale is small enough not to impact the market. Just saying that if they're enforcing strictly? Could see it.

    There's nothing against the rules in quitting matches. If there was, there wouldn't be an option to quit the match would there?
  • Bob Loblaw
    11247 posts Has That Special Something
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?
  • Orikoru
    10712 posts Has That Special Something
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.
  • Rozz
    6721 posts Big Money Move
    Youtubers are untouchable IMO, ea can do what they like but they have the power and money to work a way round. They have an awkward alliance, the youtubers sell their game for them and that's why maybe they didn't clamp down hard on them.
  • NornIron
    12846 posts Has That Special Something
    How many accounts can you have. Have only ever had the one i believe the way it should be.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Why? There's no rule against buying and selling cards within the price ranges, no? Now do you understand my question from earlier? We've had posters here tell stories of suddenly selling a dozen consumables at max or near max for no apparent reason, presumably because somebody was trying to transfer funds and bought the wrong ones. But suddenly you have a situation where your activity can be deemed suspicious absent any intent whatsoever. That could earn you a reset.

    As for my previous question, apply the same. Quitting a game is no more against the rules than selling a card at max (that doesn't go for max). Right? But selling twenty bronze contracts at max can suddenly seem like a violation (whether it is or not). And quitting a hundred games in a row to collect boosts can seem like a violation as well. You're no longer "quitting a match." You're "quitting dozens of matches so as to make coins more quickly than you could through normal play." Which is, arguably, one of many definitions of "coin farming."

    And if you read the TOS, there are more than enough general statements that would allow them to ban you for it, including the many uses of "sole discretion." You own nothing in FUT, they can terminate your use of it at any time.

    Do I think that quitting to earn all the boosts should earn a ban? No. Do I think it will? No. Do I think it could? Yes. And given that there's no longer a warning given before a reset, it might be good to get clarification from somebody like @Rob as to whether it's something that is explicitly allowed.

    Not that it'd matter, because he's not the one (presumably) driving the enforcement train, and once you're reset it's gonna be a long ugly road getting your stuff back regardless of what a community manager may (or may not) have told you was alright to do. This is the kind of thing you have to consider under a zero-tolerance policy.
  • Reece Tha BEAST
    17022 posts World Class
    edited September 2015
    heavymcd wrote: »
    I'm suddenly curious if quitting matches against the AI to reap the coin boosts during early access would be considered "coin farming." Given that there are no warnings anymore, something that might be good to have clarified, given that a lot of people plan to do it. Because I could certainly see it qualifying.

    Edit: clearly the scale is small enough not to impact the market. Just saying that if they're enforcing strictly? Could see it.

    @heavymcd

    You brought up a good point.

    You do know that last year, you could enable a coin boost from the catalogue, go to Offline Seasons and quit right away to gain the coin boost? This was about 50k profit in a few minutes from quitting in offline seasons.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    NornIron wrote: »
    How many accounts can you have. Have only ever had the one i believe the way it should be.

    It's been stated in here, IIRC, that you may have multiple accounts provided you do not trade between them and thus gain market advantage (by collecting multiple loyalty packs, multiple tourney rewards, etc).
  • slickus
    2763 posts Fans' Favourite
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    edited September 2015
    slickus wrote: »
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull

    The question I'd ask is how an enforcement specialist can tell that from trading between multiple personal accounts, or outright coin selling (both disallowed).

    To my knowledge it isn't allowed anyway, but even if it is allowed its indistinguishable from disallowed acts. So you are surely risking a reset for both of you. Good luck explaining to the EA support rep what happened and getting it reversed. I've heard they're less than helpful.
  • RadioShaq
    15612 posts Moderator
    They stopped giveaways on here because you can get banned. I would guess if you are giving your friends coins you risk getting banned.
  • slickus
    2763 posts Fans' Favourite
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull

    The question I'd ask is how an enforcement specialist can tell that from trading between multiple personal accounts, or outright coin selling (both disallowed).

    To my knowledge it isn't allowed anyway, but even if it is allowed its indistinguishable from disallowed acts. So you are surely risking a reset for both of you. Good luck explaining to the EA support rep what happened and getting it reversed. I've heard they're less than helpful.

    Im not talking mils here just the odd 50k
    They are my mates in real life plus i collect bronze prem players
    I can understand the trading multiple account thing but we are all fut founders i just play it more than them
  • pittphan
    3023 posts National Call-Up
    edited September 2015
    Finding accounts that have been purchased is pretty easy - large coin amount, sign in from new location, and then 5+ hours of straight pack openings (on stream usually). The youtubers do not usually bother transferring the coins (after the first few months of the game) to their main accounts, instead they just use those coins to open 1000s of packs so they can scream and carry on when the inevitable happens and they pack an 82 ovr inform, then they record/stream their (over)reaction.............. and........ PROFIT.

    So if the account was not already banned before it was sold (and if the new authentication tools do not sort this out) then there is not much they can/will do (and I honestly don' think EA want to stop them as it is endless, free promotion of the game - further, most pack opening vids from youtubers are the "best pulls" from millions of coins spent, the noobs don't factor this in, they believe the hype, and surrender their money to EA - EA all ways/always wins).

    As far as banning "coin promoter" accounts, I just have to laugh at that. They said the EXACT SAME THING last year and I don't believe many were ever banned for this, if any, plus the desired effect was not achieved. The youtubers all use the screen overlays now to hide their user ID's, etc. to make it a little harder.... but I am positive EA (a tech company) could sort out isolating their accounts and banning them. Again though, EA don't mind the free promotion provided by youtubers, so the motivation will not be there to ban them. With a digital product, that continually has new content that can motivate purchases (informs etc.) the day to day marketing provided by youtubers is VERY, VERY valuable to EA. This is why EA has chosen to put the squeeze almost completely on the coin buyers!!! Because that is direct, fungible purchase that corresponds to measured loss in revenue. The youtubers, at least from the EA Executive's perspective, are at worst a zero sum gain and that does not motivate them to strong action.
    However, YOU, must be stopped from, not buying coins (because that will cost them a lot of money to stop the sellers - better programming as the obvious solution, aside), but from transferring them! That is the key for EA.

    So it is quite simple.... as soon as the prices for coins are significantly cheaper then fifa points (enough to compensate for the aggravation of the coin transferring and chance of ban) people will buy coins. Then, the price ranges will slam shut and it will be an extinction level event on the market all over again.

    There is only one true solution - close, hinder the glitches that allow the sellers to accumulate coins in the quantity that can be sold for a profit. Other than that, we, the average FUT player will pay the price... in either extinction/deflation (more time required with the game) or price inflation (greater cost of players).
  • Uncle Remus
    2020 posts Fans' Favourite
    I'm totally against coin buying, but it wouldn't be an issue if coin glitching was solved. Control the amount of coins in an economy, control the economy.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    edited September 2015
    slickus wrote: »
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull

    The question I'd ask is how an enforcement specialist can tell that from trading between multiple personal accounts, or outright coin selling (both disallowed).

    To my knowledge it isn't allowed anyway, but even if it is allowed its indistinguishable from disallowed acts. So you are surely risking a reset for both of you. Good luck explaining to the EA support rep what happened and getting it reversed. I've heard they're less than helpful.

    Im not talking mils here just the odd 50k
    They are my mates in real life plus i collect bronze prem players
    I can understand the trading multiple account thing but we are all fut founders i just play it more than them

    The odd 50K adds up. Regardless, this is indistinguishable from you owning multiple accounts and stacking promo packs or loyalty packs. There are any number of per-account limitations that transferring the odd 50K between accounts would allow you to get around, which is why in general it is not allowed.

    To my knowledge though the TOS expressly forbids the transfer of items (or coins) directly between individuals in this manner. And if it's not explicit, it's definitely implied. If a game doesn't have a mechanic by which you can hand another player coins/gold/etc., then in most cases use of the market to make the transfer (such as through above-market trades) is generally a TOS violation.

    And now it'll probably result in a reset, first-time, no warning. If they catch it.
  • pittphan
    3023 posts National Call-Up
    I'm totally against coin buying, but it wouldn't be an issue if coin glitching was solved. Control the amount of coins in an economy, control the economy.


    Correct! Illuminati confirmed!!! :)
    But really, this is exactly how entire countries are controlled.
  • slickus
    2763 posts Fans' Favourite
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull

    The question I'd ask is how an enforcement specialist can tell that from trading between multiple personal accounts, or outright coin selling (both disallowed).

    To my knowledge it isn't allowed anyway, but even if it is allowed its indistinguishable from disallowed acts. So you are surely risking a reset for both of you. Good luck explaining to the EA support rep what happened and getting it reversed. I've heard they're less than helpful.

    Im not talking mils here just the odd 50k
    They are my mates in real life plus i collect bronze prem players
    I can understand the trading multiple account thing but we are all fut founders i just play it more than them

    The odd 50K adds up. Regardless, this is indistinguishable from you owning multiple accounts and stacking promo packs or loyalty packs. There are any number of per-account limitations that transferring the odd 50K between accounts would allow you to get around, which is why in general it is not allowed.

    To my knowledge though the TOS expressly forbids the transfer of items (or coins) directly between individuals in this manner. And if it's not explicit, it's definitely implied. If a game doesn't have a mechanic by which you can hand another player coins/gold/etc., then in most cases use of the market to make the transfer (such as through above-market trades) is generally a TOS violation.

    And now it'll probably result in a reset, first-time, no warning. If they catch it.

    So if my mate puts a bronze prem player up n i buy it thats against tos?
    Ive done it every fifa never even had a warning
    Im not gonna be missing out here but without the occasiinal gift from me my mates would play it less
  • Uncle Remus
    2020 posts Fans' Favourite
    pittphan wrote: »
    I'm totally against coin buying, but it wouldn't be an issue if coin glitching was solved. Control the amount of coins in an economy, control the economy.


    Correct! Illuminati confirmed!!! :)
    But really, this is exactly how entire countries are controlled.

    Think about it, if coins had to be earned legitimately by coin farmers, then people purchasing coins wouldn't be disrupting the market because those coins are already in circulation in a healthy economy or they'll be proportionally insignificant that it won't impact the market. The problem with the coin glitch is that so many coins were being generated and so many people were buying these coins that it introduced too many coins to the market and it caused inflation because the value of coins went down.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    slickus wrote: »
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    heavymcd wrote: »
    slickus wrote: »
    Orikoru wrote: »
    Bob Loblaw wrote: »
    This is dumb because they can never know for sure if it's coin buying. If I listed a bronze card for 5k and someone accidentally bought it does my account get reset?

    Surely not for just one. People weren't purchasing as little 5k were they? If you did that with like 10 bronze cards at once then maybe.

    Is there anything about coin giving?
    I always sort my mates out with coins if i ever get a good pull

    The question I'd ask is how an enforcement specialist can tell that from trading between multiple personal accounts, or outright coin selling (both disallowed).

    To my knowledge it isn't allowed anyway, but even if it is allowed its indistinguishable from disallowed acts. So you are surely risking a reset for both of you. Good luck explaining to the EA support rep what happened and getting it reversed. I've heard they're less than helpful.

    Im not talking mils here just the odd 50k
    They are my mates in real life plus i collect bronze prem players
    I can understand the trading multiple account thing but we are all fut founders i just play it more than them

    The odd 50K adds up. Regardless, this is indistinguishable from you owning multiple accounts and stacking promo packs or loyalty packs. There are any number of per-account limitations that transferring the odd 50K between accounts would allow you to get around, which is why in general it is not allowed.

    To my knowledge though the TOS expressly forbids the transfer of items (or coins) directly between individuals in this manner. And if it's not explicit, it's definitely implied. If a game doesn't have a mechanic by which you can hand another player coins/gold/etc., then in most cases use of the market to make the transfer (such as through above-market trades) is generally a TOS violation.

    And now it'll probably result in a reset, first-time, no warning. If they catch it.

    So if my mate puts a bronze prem player up n i buy it thats against tos?
    Ive done it every fifa never even had a warning
    Im not gonna be missing out here but without the occasiinal gift from me my mates would play it less

    There's no issue if a friend lists a card and you buy it.

    The issue is if he lists the card at a price such that you are the only one who will buy it, with the intent of selling directly to you. And yes, in most games that feature a market this kind of market manipulation is a violation.

    It's unlikely to draw attention at that scale. But just understand that you can probably get reset for it. And if you do, you lose the "I didn't even know it was a thing" defense.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    edited September 2015
    pittphan wrote: »
    I'm totally against coin buying, but it wouldn't be an issue if coin glitching was solved. Control the amount of coins in an economy, control the economy.


    Correct! Illuminati confirmed!!! :)
    But really, this is exactly how entire countries are controlled.

    Think about it, if coins had to be earned legitimately by coin farmers, then people purchasing coins wouldn't be disrupting the market because those coins are already in circulation in a healthy economy or they'll be proportionally insignificant that it won't impact the market. The problem with the coin glitch is that so many coins were being generated and so many people were buying these coins that it introduced too many coins to the market and it caused inflation because the value of coins went down.

    The ability of a person to pay other players for their coins can cause coins to accumulate in the accounts of those willing to do so, leading to inflation of the cards those players prefer to buy (likely top tier cards).

    Or, put another way, my ability to buy coins off other players to buy a Ronaldo can make Ronaldo cost more. Less so than with glitched coins, but still impacts the market.

    Edit: I still think it'd be largely fine. Just saying there /is/ a market impact.
  • That's pretty much the same graphic they used last year and mostly the same empty threats that were never carried out.

    I hope this year is different.
  • Takerluke
    27 posts Last Pick at the Park
    That's pretty much the same graphic they used last year and mostly the same empty threats that were never carried out.

    I hope this year is different.


    I agree
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