Gameplay after patch - is it as horrible for everyone?

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Chavez76
9875 posts League Winner
so, most people know I am not one to complain often. And I even see EA's side to a problem. But WHAT ON EARTHS NAME did they do to the gameplay with the latest patch ???

I am used to playing on 'pressure on possession loss', 7 depth defending. I kinda need my cdm's to help out. Game one yesterday, my players are dead before minute 50
(yeah, I read the patch notes stating it would be more heavy on stamina.. but this much??)

Even before minute 50, my players could not run or move. Up to the point that I switched controllers because I thought there was something wrong with it. Did not work of course. And my opponents ran passed me like there was no tomorrow, ending up on my biggest loss this year (8-1) in D2.

Second game, decided to stop using PoHT as it seems impossible to use now. Used balance this time. Got killed 5-1. Players did not move, Couldnt run.

Third game. Same story. Lost 4-0. Controller started flying. Fortunately I made enough points in DR before to have a rank 1 finish but if this is the gameplay from now on, might as well stop playing.

so, long story short: Is there anyone who still can make 'Pressure on heavy touch' work? Playing it with a high depth seems impossible? Is there anythign I can change to mimic that playstyle? I really do not want to play on 'drop back' ..

I dont think I ever made a negative post like this.. but damn..

Comments

  • NucksNation
    4634 posts National Call-Up
    Nahhh you’re probably one of the guys here that usually don’t complain..

    I think they did that to nerf constant pressure or other means of pressure to ruin the game.

    The tactic you use pressure on possession loss I believe does fall slightly into that. Switch to Balance and see if it’s the same.
    I just updated mine, last night I cruised from 980 to almost 1400 points but played 16/30 rival games so far. Reading this makes me think I won’t get rank1
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Nahhh you’re probably one of the guys here that usually don’t complain..

    I think they did that to nerf constant pressure or other means of pressure to ruin the game.

    The tactic you use pressure on possession loss I believe does fall slightly into that. Switch to Balance and see if it’s the same.
    I just updated mine, last night I cruised from 980 to almost 1400 points but played 16/30 rival games so far. Reading this makes me think I won’t get rank1

    can understand the nerf a little, but I for now feel they nerfed it way too much.. Might also be because I got used to playing like this and it simply is not possible anymore
    Could also be I just had a night of bad connection and that this what people are complaining about all the time. For the first time, I can relate to that, really makes the game not enjoyable at all!
  • NucksNation
    4634 posts National Call-Up
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    Nahhh you’re probably one of the guys here that usually don’t complain..

    I think they did that to nerf constant pressure or other means of pressure to ruin the game.

    The tactic you use pressure on possession loss I believe does fall slightly into that. Switch to Balance and see if it’s the same.
    I just updated mine, last night I cruised from 980 to almost 1400 points but played 16/30 rival games so far. Reading this makes me think I won’t get rank1

    can understand the nerf a little, but I for now feel they nerfed it way too much.. Might also be because I got used to playing like this and it simply is not possible anymore
    Could also be I just had a night of bad connection and that this what people are complaining about all the time. For the first time, I can relate to that, really makes the game not enjoyable at all!

    It’s possible, do a full reset of router/modem and see if it helps. Then try some new tactics in friendlies and see if it’s any different.

    My first game tonight and I got kicked out 😄
  • ASX
    3538 posts National Call-Up
    Something up with the gameplay.

    Last night in rivals controller felt "loose", like there was excessive play in the thumb sticks, I can't really explain the feeling.

    Also, I had two games where the opposition appeared to go through my defenders, through their body and one where I made a tackle and my player just stood totally still post tackle and unable to move him.
  • ozcs_69
    4890 posts Big Money Move
    its so shambolic, its crazy
  • Wi1son73
    4214 posts National Call-Up
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    Nahhh you’re probably one of the guys here that usually don’t complain..

    I think they did that to nerf constant pressure or other means of pressure to ruin the game.

    The tactic you use pressure on possession loss I believe does fall slightly into that. Switch to Balance and see if it’s the same.
    I just updated mine, last night I cruised from 980 to almost 1400 points but played 16/30 rival games so far. Reading this makes me think I won’t get rank1

    can understand the nerf a little, but I for now feel they nerfed it way too much.. Might also be because I got used to playing like this and it simply is not possible anymore
    Could also be I just had a night of bad connection and that this what people are complaining about all the time. For the first time, I can relate to that, really makes the game not enjoyable at all!

    What about putting CDM/CM into conservative tackle but still have high depth with press after possession loss..
    I had one of my tactics with Press on heavy touch 442(2) switched to it for good 70mins, didn’t notice any stamina loss.. I actually forgot to change it after the patch.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Wi1son73 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    Nahhh you’re probably one of the guys here that usually don’t complain..

    I think they did that to nerf constant pressure or other means of pressure to ruin the game.

    The tactic you use pressure on possession loss I believe does fall slightly into that. Switch to Balance and see if it’s the same.
    I just updated mine, last night I cruised from 980 to almost 1400 points but played 16/30 rival games so far. Reading this makes me think I won’t get rank1

    can understand the nerf a little, but I for now feel they nerfed it way too much.. Might also be because I got used to playing like this and it simply is not possible anymore
    Could also be I just had a night of bad connection and that this what people are complaining about all the time. For the first time, I can relate to that, really makes the game not enjoyable at all!

    What about putting CDM/CM into conservative tackle but still have high depth with press after possession loss..
    I had one of my tactics with Press on heavy touch 442(2) switched to it for good 70mins, didn’t notice any stamina loss.. I actually forgot to change it after the patch.

    might change and try, but tbh, the ones were my stamina drain was the worse was my Center Backs (VvD / Joe G) After. 65 minutes, they were on like 15% stamina left ..

    I have Kante as CDM, and he can run for days, but even he went <20% with PoHT on
  • Berlus
    1824 posts Play-Off Hero
    Yes
  • liuus86
    1317 posts Professional
    finally no more kids letting ai defend with this crazy pressing!!

    have you ever watched a football game?usually teams which constantly press with the relentless of fifa 21 prepatch don’t run in the second half!
  • Burchy
    1891 posts Play-Off Hero
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    so, most people know I am not one to complain often. And I even see EA's side to a problem. But WHAT ON EARTHS NAME did they do to the gameplay with the latest patch ???

    I am used to playing on 'pressure on possession loss', 7 depth defending. I kinda need my cdm's to help out. Game one yesterday, my players are dead before minute 50
    (yeah, I read the patch notes stating it would be more heavy on stamina.. but this much??)

    Even before minute 50, my players could not run or move. Up to the point that I switched controllers because I thought there was something wrong with it. Did not work of course. And my opponents ran passed me like there was no tomorrow, ending up on my biggest loss this year (8-1) in D2.

    Second game, decided to stop using PoHT as it seems impossible to use now. Used balance this time. Got killed 5-1. Players did not move, Couldnt run.

    Third game. Same story. Lost 4-0. Controller started flying. Fortunately I made enough points in DR before to have a rank 1 finish but if this is the gameplay from now on, might as well stop playing.

    so, long story short: Is there anyone who still can make 'Pressure on heavy touch' work? Playing it with a high depth seems impossible? Is there anythign I can change to mimic that playstyle? I really do not want to play on 'drop back' ..

    I dont think I ever made a negative post like this.. but damn..

    I’ve seen and even commented on a few posts similar to this.

    The game play last night was so bad. I was getting smashed by everyone. Players didn’t make any runs, shots were weak and my CR7 was playing cross bar challenge!

    I’m hoping it was just bad servers and not the patch. I’ll have a few games later today to compare.
  • Wayno69
    1898 posts Play-Off Hero
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    so, most people know I am not one to complain often. And I even see EA's side to a problem. But WHAT ON EARTHS NAME did they do to the gameplay with the latest patch ???

    I am used to playing on 'pressure on possession loss', 7 depth defending. I kinda need my cdm's to help out. Game one yesterday, my players are dead before minute 50
    (yeah, I read the patch notes stating it would be more heavy on stamina.. but this much??)

    Even before minute 50, my players could not run or move. Up to the point that I switched controllers because I thought there was something wrong with it. Did not work of course. And my opponents ran passed me like there was no tomorrow, ending up on my biggest loss this year (8-1) in D2.

    Second game, decided to stop using PoHT as it seems impossible to use now. Used balance this time. Got killed 5-1. Players did not move, Couldnt run.

    Third game. Same story. Lost 4-0. Controller started flying. Fortunately I made enough points in DR before to have a rank 1 finish but if this is the gameplay from now on, might as well stop playing.

    so, long story short: Is there anyone who still can make 'Pressure on heavy touch' work? Playing it with a high depth seems impossible? Is there anythign I can change to mimic that playstyle? I really do not want to play on 'drop back' ..

    I dont think I ever made a negative post like this.. but damn..

    Bro I'm having the EXACT same experience. This is bs man. Its like this patch switched off my AI. Played 10 last night, lost 5 drew 2 and won 3 somehow. It was now a pleasant experience!
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    liuus86 wrote: »
    finally no more kids letting ai defend with this crazy pressing!!

    have you ever watched a football game?usually teams which constantly press with the relentless of fifa 21 prepatch don’t run in the second half!

    Thanks for calling me a kid, i'm 44 . Makes me feel young again!
    Dont know why you even think that 'ai defending' has anything to do with pressure, as my CB's just let everyone walk if I do not control them, so yeah sure.

    But, you must be one of the drop back 1 depth kind of people who think that that is real football?
    News flash: it is not.

    And to answer, I'd advise to take a look at a team like Bayern Munchen (might have heard of them, they won the Champions League?). The way they play. It's not pressure?


  • BarleyJohn
    67 posts Park Captain
    Pressure has always been broken on this game, whether it be constant, after loss of possession, or on heavy touch to the point where it’s ridiculous. When you win the ball back, your first instinct should be to withstand the tidal wave coming at you for 5 seconds.

    Anyway, I think it’s a bigger issue than they thought and possibly don’t know how to fix it properly so the only alternative is to bump up the stamina drain to deter people from using it.

    I’ve not used it myself, always leave everything on balanced so will be interesting to see if i notice a marker improvement, especially in the last 25/30 mins of a game.
  • It's nerfed from 2.2x the regular stamina consumption to 3x.

    Really not that big of a change.
  • Growler
    908 posts Professional
    Unfortunately EA are just trying to paper over bigger cracks in the game. Loads of players complaining about pressure tactics (I’m one of them) so EA nerf them!!!!! But, as I’ve stated before, it’s not the actual tactic that doesnt to work, it’s the way it affects the game in bad gameplay, which for me, is a good 80% of games. With there being lag in most games the press just completely ruins the game. Players just don’t do a thing whilst my opponent sprints round always a split second ahead. So whilst nerfing press will solve one problem it will only make another. It’s not press that really needs addressing it’s the lag and delay. If we all played in balanced conditions it wouldn’t be a problem.
  • pes1972
    2000 posts Fans' Favourite
    Game is better after the patch, a good patch for a change
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    pes1972 wrote: »
    Game is better after the patch, a good patch for a change

    Think you are playing another game than I do.
    Growler wrote: »
    Unfortunately EA are just trying to paper over bigger cracks in the game. Loads of players complaining about pressure tactics (I’m one of them) so EA nerf them!!!!! But, as I’ve stated before, it’s not the actual tactic that doesnt to work, it’s the way it affects the game in bad gameplay, which for me, is a good 80% of games. With there being lag in most games the press just completely ruins the game. Players just don’t do a thing whilst my opponent sprints round always a split second ahead. So whilst nerfing press will solve one problem it will only make another. It’s not press that really needs addressing it’s the lag and delay. If we all played in balanced conditions it wouldn’t be a problem.

    I hear what you are saying.. But nerfing a tactic to 'hide' the issue of connectivity can never be good.
    This will only make 'drop back 1 depth' the meta again and (I think) that's boring as hell.
  • liuus86
    1317 posts Professional
    edited November 2020
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    liuus86 wrote: »
    finally no more kids letting ai defend with this crazy pressing!!

    have you ever watched a football game?usually teams which constantly press with the relentless of fifa 21 prepatch don’t run in the second half!

    Thanks for calling me a kid, i'm 44 . Makes me feel young again!
    Dont know why you even think that 'ai defending' has anything to do with pressure, as my CB's just let everyone walk if I do not control them, so yeah sure.

    But, you must be one of the drop back 1 depth kind of people who think that that is real football?
    News flash: it is not.

    And to answer, I'd advise to take a look at a team like Bayern Munchen (might have heard of them, they won the Champions League?). The way they play. It's not pressure?



    i wasn’t referring to you personally as i cleary understand from your nick you are not a kid :)
    I was more talking about all those youtube videos and twitch players abusing of pressure all time.

    And to be honest if you did not notice Ai helping defending when using pressure u might have a little problem..

    btw Bayern yes play pressure but not at the level of fifa 21 pre patch where every players was morphing into a kante on steroids running like crazy for 90min..


    Seriously are you surprised your stamina goes down if you play on pressure?
    For one decent thing they did, people will always complain!

  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    liuus86 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    liuus86 wrote: »
    finally no more kids letting ai defend with this crazy pressing!!

    have you ever watched a football game?usually teams which constantly press with the relentless of fifa 21 prepatch don’t run in the second half!

    Thanks for calling me a kid, i'm 44 . Makes me feel young again!
    Dont know why you even think that 'ai defending' has anything to do with pressure, as my CB's just let everyone walk if I do not control them, so yeah sure.

    But, you must be one of the drop back 1 depth kind of people who think that that is real football?
    News flash: it is not.

    And to answer, I'd advise to take a look at a team like Bayern Munchen (might have heard of them, they won the Champions League?). The way they play. It's not pressure?



    i wasn’t referring to you personally as i cleary understand from your nick you are not a kid :)
    I was more talking about all those youtube videos and twitch players abusing of pressure all time.

    And to be honest if you did not notice Ai helping defending when using pressure u might have a little problem..

    btw Bayern yes play pressure but not at the level of fifa 21 pre patch where every players was morphing into a kante on steroids running like crazy for 90min..

    That's the decission right? having a CB high up and trying to intercept (meaning if you miss, he is fully out of position and you're more or less done for) or having him on depth one where he will block everything ?
    I prefer(ed) the first (even playing against it) as I feel this patch will make everyone go to drop back depth 1 play.

    There's a difference in how it was (like I stated before, might needed some nerf) but really, this was uncalled for. Unless my gameplay was just terrible last night (which tbh, I never experienced before in all my years of fifa) or they nerfed any pressure gamestyle into impossible to use.
  • I always have very low latency but yesterday felt extremely laggy. Hopefully is because of the new patch and will get sorted out soon.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Parsifalz wrote: »
    I always have very low latency but yesterday felt extremely laggy. Hopefully is because of the new patch and will get sorted out soon.

    same. Hope its not as bad as it looked yesterday!
  • Spillaren
    3086 posts National Call-Up
    played two DR games won 6-1 and the other opponent rage quit on me the 14th minute after I was 2-0 up.

    I play on balanced and everything seems fine, even do get shots off faster as the patch note states.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Spillaren wrote: »
    played two DR games won 6-1 and the other opponent rage quit on me the 14th minute after I was 2-0 up.

    I play on balanced and everything seems fine, even do get shots off faster as the patch note states.

    Ill give it another go after work tonight and see how it is!
  • Edge01
    454 posts Sunday League Hero
    I played pressure on loss and it didn't affect my players that much. Just do not touch high press unless you are on the 85th minute. The forwards runs were not as good and the through balls didn't seem so easy which is a good thing as you can now play with better slower defenders. Pace seemed to not be as important as my Werner and Mane couldn't run past anyone which was strange. Defenders can now bundle you from behind to win the ball which is bad and icons just barge past your defenders.
  • Growler
    908 posts Professional
    The problem is, a lot of players have used pressure effectively because I think they have been playing opponents who have had connection disadvantage so whilst for you at least, the tactic works as intended, for the poor ❤️❤️❤️❤️ whose game it affects negatively, it’s been an absolute mess. If you’ve not been getting this gameplay regularly it’s hard to explain what pressure does to your team but it ruins the entire experience. I haven’t even been able to apply pressure in most games because it just makes my team move even slower🤷‍♂️. Now pressure has been nerfed you won’t have the aggressive ai doing the press for you which may take some getting used to but for me at least, it’s a positive. I don’t use low depth drop bk by the way but I do understand that it may make this tactic more op. I just hope that maybe EA may look into this too. It’s a problem that everyone is complaining about.
  • Massman
    295 posts Sunday League Hero
    Today is the worst gameplay i ever had i fifa21
    Delay in every move
    Cant even pass the ball
    Dont know if its the patch
    But this delay is killing it for me
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Edge01 wrote: »
    I played pressure on loss and it didn't affect my players that much. Just do not touch high press unless you are on the 85th minute. The forwards runs were not as good and the through balls didn't seem so easy which is a good thing as you can now play with better slower defenders. Pace seemed to not be as important as my Werner and Mane couldn't run past anyone which was strange. Defenders can now bundle you from behind to win the ball which is bad and icons just barge past your defenders.

    weird, my players were really dead at minute 60 .Ill try again tonight.
    Growler wrote: »
    The problem is, a lot of players have used pressure effectively because I think they have been playing opponents who have had connection disadvantage so whilst for you at least, the tactic works as intended, for the poor ❤️❤️❤️❤️ whose game it affects negatively, it’s been an absolute mess. If you’ve not been getting this gameplay regularly it’s hard to explain what pressure does to your team but it ruins the entire experience. I haven’t even been able to apply pressure in most games because it just makes my team move even slower🤷‍♂️. Now pressure has been nerfed you won’t have the aggressive ai doing the press for you which may take some getting used to but for me at least, it’s a positive. I don’t use low depth drop bk by the way but I do understand that it may make this tactic more op. I just hope that maybe EA may look into this too. It’s a problem that everyone is complaining about.

    to be fair, I think the problem is that people are complainig about EVERYTHING.
    Too much prssure? Complain
    Drop back? Complain
    AI intercepting / blocking? Complain

    If it something you are not using, we tend to complain ... And apperently I do the same, as I am complainig as well :)
  • Primofusion
    1247 posts Professional
    I use pressure on heavy touch, and balanced attacking (individual instructions) and my team isn’t tired at the end of the game. I’m able to utilise the team press when needed without it killing my players after 80 mins.
  • Growler
    908 posts Professional
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    Edge01 wrote: »
    I played pressure on loss and it didn't affect my players that much. Just do not touch high press unless you are on the 85th minute. The forwards runs were not as good and the through balls didn't seem so easy which is a good thing as you can now play with better slower defenders. Pace seemed to not be as important as my Werner and Mane couldn't run past anyone which was strange. Defenders can now bundle you from behind to win the ball which is bad and icons just barge past your defenders.

    weird, my players were really dead at minute 60 .Ill try again tonight.
    Growler wrote: »
    The problem is, a lot of players have used pressure effectively because I think they have been playing opponents who have had connection disadvantage so whilst for you at least, the tactic works as intended, for the poor ❤️❤️❤️❤️ whose game it affects negatively, it’s been an absolute mess. If you’ve not been getting this gameplay regularly it’s hard to explain what pressure does to your team but it ruins the entire experience. I haven’t even been able to apply pressure in most games because it just makes my team move even slower🤷‍♂️. Now pressure has been nerfed you won’t have the aggressive ai doing the press for you which may take some getting used to but for me at least, it’s a positive. I don’t use low depth drop bk by the way but I do understand that it may make this tactic more op. I just hope that maybe EA may look into this too. It’s a problem that everyone is complaining about.

    to be fair, I think the problem is that people are complainig about EVERYTHING.
    Too much prssure? Complain
    Drop back? Complain
    AI intercepting / blocking? Complain

    If it something you are not using, we tend to complain ... And apperently I do the same, as I am complainig as well :)

    😂😂😂too true
  • Edge01
    454 posts Sunday League Hero
    I would need to try again tonight but it felt like the faster players will not be as good, but it will make players like Lewandowski, Aguro better than they were (they were not bad before).
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