Skillbased matchmaking in live friendlies (and potentially draft)?

Orison
66629 posts Icon
edited October 2020
Today I stumbled across this tweet

First of all I laughed it off, friendlies were super easy last year so why should it suddenly be different. But I was also kinda intrigued, because when I completed the live friendly objectives I thought my opponents had quite decent teams for a "random" gamemode.

So tonight I decided to play some more live friendlies and just ask every opponent what his skillrating in rivals is. My own skillrating atm is 1973 btw.

1st opponent: 1954 skillrating, guy was decent.

2nd opponent: 1610 skillrating, guy had otw Jota already and claimed he dropped due to completing the objectives, but whatever he wasn't that great.

3rd opponent: 1923 skillrating, again solid opponent.

4th opponent: 1800 skillrating

5th opponent: 1800 skillrating as well

6th opponent: 1850 skillrating

7th opponent: 1798 skillrating

Ofc in theory people could lie or give out slightly exaggerated numbers, but I would assume that atleast the general division is correct and with the guys giving exact numbers like "1954" that the number is correct as well.

So my conclusion based on this (arguably relatively small) sample size is that either no casual even knows that this mode exists (despite there being objectives and an entire milestone with pack rewards tied to it) or there is some sort of skillbased matchmaking in a goddamn friendly mode :joy: Would appreciate if others (I know @TDOF is always interested in all things Fifa) could just ask their opponents after the matches for their skillrating too so that we got a bigger sample size.

Might run the same experiment in rivals tomorrow, but I would assume since draft is tied to coins and rewards that less people would answer the question especially after losing.
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  • TDOF
    8686 posts League Winner
    Orison wrote: »
    Today I stumbled across this tweet

    First of all I laughed it off, friendlies were super easy last year so why should it suddenly be different. But I was also kinda intrigued, because when I completed the live friendly objectives I thought my opponents had quite decent teams for a "random" gamemode.

    So tonight I decided to play some more live friendlies and just ask every opponent what his skillrating in rivals is. My own skillrating atm is 1973 btw.

    1st opponent: 1954 skillrating, guy was decent.

    2nd opponent: 1610 skillrating, guy had otw Jota already and claimed he dropped due to completing the objectives, but whatever he wasn't that great.

    3rd opponent: 1923 skillrating, again solid opponent.

    4th opponent: 1800 skillrating

    5th opponent: 1800 skillrating as well

    6th opponent: 1850 skillrating

    7th opponent: 1798 skillrating

    Ofc in theory people could lie or give out slightly exaggerated numbers, but I would assume that atleast the general division is correct and with the guys giving exact numbers like "1954" that the number is correct as well.

    So my conclusion based on this (arguably relatively small) sample size is that either no casual even knows that this mode exists (despite there being objectives and an entire milestone with pack rewards tied to it) or there is some sort of skillbased matchmaking in a goddamn friendly mode :joy: Would appreciate if others (I know @TDOF is always interested in all things Fifa) could just ask their opponents after the matches for their skillrating too so that we got a bigger sample size.

    Might run the same experiment in rivals tomorrow, but I would assume since draft is tied to coins and rewards that less people would answer the question especially after losing.

    Never touched friendlies so can't really say on that....

    But i have done about 30 drafts now and it's about the same for me every single draft... the first two games are normally really easy (opponent does no ball rolls, sprints everywhere, no skill moves) but the last 2 games things get spicy as they normally do....

    But if they did do SBMM on friendlies i could potentially see this being a thing if icon swaps are completely out of rivals and all challenges will be done via friendlies.
  • Orison
    66629 posts Icon
    edited October 2020
    TDOF wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    Today I stumbled across this tweet

    First of all I laughed it off, friendlies were super easy last year so why should it suddenly be different. But I was also kinda intrigued, because when I completed the live friendly objectives I thought my opponents had quite decent teams for a "random" gamemode.

    So tonight I decided to play some more live friendlies and just ask every opponent what his skillrating in rivals is. My own skillrating atm is 1973 btw.

    1st opponent: 1954 skillrating, guy was decent.

    2nd opponent: 1610 skillrating, guy had otw Jota already and claimed he dropped due to completing the objectives, but whatever he wasn't that great.

    3rd opponent: 1923 skillrating, again solid opponent.

    4th opponent: 1800 skillrating

    5th opponent: 1800 skillrating as well

    6th opponent: 1850 skillrating

    7th opponent: 1798 skillrating

    Ofc in theory people could lie or give out slightly exaggerated numbers, but I would assume that atleast the general division is correct and with the guys giving exact numbers like "1954" that the number is correct as well.

    So my conclusion based on this (arguably relatively small) sample size is that either no casual even knows that this mode exists (despite there being objectives and an entire milestone with pack rewards tied to it) or there is some sort of skillbased matchmaking in a goddamn friendly mode :joy: Would appreciate if others (I know @TDOF is always interested in all things Fifa) could just ask their opponents after the matches for their skillrating too so that we got a bigger sample size.

    Might run the same experiment in rivals tomorrow, but I would assume since draft is tied to coins and rewards that less people would answer the question especially after losing.

    Never touched friendlies so can't really say on that....

    But i have done about 30 drafts now and it's about the same for me every single draft... the first two games are normally really easy (opponent does no ball rolls, sprints everywhere, no skill moves) but the last 2 games things get spicy as they normally do....

    But if they did do SBMM on friendlies i could potentially see this being a thing if icon swaps are completely out of rivals and all challenges will be done via friendlies.

    Doesn't have to be friendlies ofc. Would like to see draft numbers too.

    But I tend to say based on my own draft experience it atleast doesn't feel too skillbased and more like "final vs final" so that it's just round based. I had finals against quite a few pros, but I also had finals in which the guy just quit at 3-0 down after 15-20 ingame minutes.

    The live friendlies are the only game mode with a milestone that's the same as last year btw. So pack rewards for 10, 25, 50, 100, 200, 300 wins with the last one being an ultimate pack. So it's not completely off the record to have a look at these live friendlies this year.
  • SYMMO19
    1545 posts Play-Off Hero
    I don't have facts to back it up but have no doubt SBMM is being used in friendlies.

    I'm currently at 1990 skill rating due to playing co-op only, at a guess i'd say i'd be around 1800 if playing solo.

    I've played 6 friendlies and struggled massively in every single match. I had no intention of playing fut champs this year but genuinely think i'd be better off playing that than friendlies as it stands...

  • RadioShaq
    18598 posts Moderator
    Would be nice if they did.
  • Orison
    66629 posts Icon
    edited October 2020
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Would be nice if they did.

    @RadioShaq hoping I can get some official confirmation on it. But I would be ok with a bigger sample size from the community too :D Would be cool if you could ask Roger if he is able to find out (or is allowed to do so lol).

    SBMM in live friendlies would hint at icon swaps and stuff like that being done via live friendlies imo. The restriction for this week is "min. 3 leagues" so I guess they could easily put "max 1 league" or "XX first owner" to restrict the mode and make it fit for certain objectives.
  • TDOF
    8686 posts League Winner
    Yeah if icon swaps is in friendlies im all for SBMM but if its in rivals again then that's not really right....

    Would be good if they could confirm...
  • This is a post on the EA Help website that confirms skill based matchmaking in live fit friendlies

    https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/
  • Max_1899
    381 posts Sunday League Hero
    ive played a few friendlies today and the opponents were much harder than those i had in div 2. delay was completely horrible aswell, players refusing to pass/shoot when u press the button, passes go in completely different direction as u aimed. well seems like fifa 20 garbage again. it was really good in early access while it lasted
  • TDOF
    8686 posts League Winner
    TeddyWestt wrote: »
    This is a post on the EA Help website that confirms skill based matchmaking in live fit friendlies

    https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/

    oh wow indeed, it does, Interesting.
  • Boommaametw3
    3977 posts National Call-Up
    I am in division 1 and when i play drafts it's always no opponents found. I thought fifa in NA was dead but not knowing everything is made to suit casuals.
    We have sweaty games in every single mode and it will back fire soon. People will relegate just to get a good experience.
  • Max_1899
    381 posts Sunday League Hero
    I am in division 1 and when i play drafts it's always no opponents found. I thought fifa in NA was dead but not knowing everything is made to suit casuals.
    We have sweaty games in every single mode and it will back fire soon. People will relegate just to get a good experience.

    yea i expected some chill games in fut friendlys to grind towards the 300 wins, but its even worse than rivals. idk why ea has to force ultra competitive gameplay in every mode. i guess ppl will relegate to div 7-8 just to get it done easily.
  • cawbrey2
    1309 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited October 2020
    Friendlies deffinetely not, im division one playing division 7 people . I win every game like 10-0
  • SignpostSounder
    4152 posts National Call-Up
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    Friendlies deffinetely not, im division one playing division 7 people . I win every game like 10-0

    Only, EA have confirmed that it is in Live Friendlies. As posted above:- https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/
  • cawbrey2
    1309 posts Play-Off Hero
    SuperKMx wrote: »
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    Friendlies deffinetely not, im division one playing division 7 people . I win every game like 10-0

    Only, EA have confirmed that it is in Live Friendlies. As posted above:- https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/

    Ive never once won 10-0 let alone 5-0 in division rivals at division 1. Idk how much i believe it, maybe if theres a lot of people online. Isk
  • Boommaametw3
    3977 posts National Call-Up
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    SuperKMx wrote: »
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    Friendlies deffinetely not, im division one playing division 7 people . I win every game like 10-0

    Only, EA have confirmed that it is in Live Friendlies. As posted above:- https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/

    Ive never once won 10-0 let alone 5-0 in division rivals at division 1. Idk how much i believe it, maybe if theres a lot of people online. Isk

    EA literally confirmed that they use rivals skill rating for matchmaking but you still want to hang on to your wrong opinion.
  • SignpostSounder
    4152 posts National Call-Up
    I thought fifa in NA was dead but not knowing everything is made to suit casuals.

    Yeah. It's almost like there are millions more of those filthy "casuals" than there are people who's entire feeling of self-worth is based on being in Division 1.

    You could always fire up a non-live friendly match if you just want to get some lead in your pencil by getting an easy win and showing your skills off to a stranger by embarrassing them 10-0.
  • Akinfenwaaaa
    4371 posts National Call-Up
    If this is true with regards to Draft, I'll be relegating myself down a few divisions. Why does everything in gaming always have to be ultra competitive? COD has gone down that route and now Fifa. Bring back the cups and bin off SBMM for anything besides Rivals and WL.
  • cawbrey2
    1309 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited October 2020
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    SuperKMx wrote: »
    cawbrey2 wrote: »
    Friendlies deffinetely not, im division one playing division 7 people . I win every game like 10-0

    Only, EA have confirmed that it is in Live Friendlies. As posted above:- https://help.ea.com/en-nz/help/fifa/fut-friendlies/

    Ive never once won 10-0 let alone 5-0 in division rivals at division 1. Idk how much i believe it, maybe if theres a lot of people online. Isk

    EA literally confirmed that they use rivals skill rating for matchmaking but you still want to hang on to your wrong opinion.

    Then maybe its delay free for me cuz i absolutely demolish my opponents, im 33-0-1 in friendlies
  • number7rocky
    7277 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 2020
    There's definitely something with the draft matchmaking, unless I'm constantly getting unlucky. Barring a couple games it's legit been harder than alot of my games in D1. Doesn't help I've been shafted with picks, had a non rare keeper of chem twice, face CR7 80% of the time but haven't drafted him once, been knocked out 4 times by him and each time I was definitely playing a d1 player, you can tell from the skill moves.

    Just made the final for the first time in my 5th attempt, had to grind each win though, I'm 8-4 and I'd say 2/3 games were easy, alos getting sick of the drop back counter, literally had 71% last match and had to grind a 2-1 win. Huge amounts of bodies in defence and ai blocks... Yay
  • There's definitely something with the draft matchmaking, unless I'm constantly getting unlucky. Barring a couple games it's legit been harder than alot of my games in D1. Doesn't help I've been shafted with picks, had a non rare keeper of chem twice, face CR7 80% of the time but haven't drafted him once, been knocked out 4 times by him and each time I was definitely playing a d1 player, you can tell from the skill moves.

    Just made the final for the first time in my 5th attempt, had to grind each win though, I'm 8-4 and I'd say 2/3 games were easy, alos getting sick of the drop back counter, literally had 71% last match and had to grind a 2-1 win. Huge amounts of bodies in defence and ai blocks... Yay

    Played 3 drafts today, made the final twice, matched a pro in both of them.

    Probably matched more pros in 20 drafts this year than I did in 100+ last year :joy:
  • DonkeyKong
    477 posts Sunday League Hero
    No hard evidence here but in my first 4 or 5 live fut friendlies I absolutely battered my opponent and then it gradually got harder and harder until now where I feel I'm just playing someone on my level everytime
  • Bapinho
    3433 posts National Call-Up
    yeah tbh i already got quite annoyed i struggled as much as i did with the friendly thingys as it was.. well you know.. friendly games :D Normally should be easy wins. I only played 1 draft so far and got 2nd rounded against a very good player. If SBMM is in draft i dont care and will relegate to div 9. I dont like rivals anyway and loved draft last year.

    I really dont like SBMM in games tbh. There have to be gamemodes where you can just relax and have fun. Fortnite for example was awesome untill they also put in SBMM quite some time ago. Really put me off. To me it really doesnt make any sense. When i play a game i try my best to get better to win more. With SBMM youre just getting put into one giant loop where no matter what you do there is nothing you can do to increase your wins% (since as youre getting better youll just be put with better players) i dont know.. takes a lot of the fun part away for me and i play games to have fun.
  • number7rocky
    7277 posts Big Money Move
    Orison wrote: »
    There's definitely something with the draft matchmaking, unless I'm constantly getting unlucky. Barring a couple games it's legit been harder than alot of my games in D1. Doesn't help I've been shafted with picks, had a non rare keeper of chem twice, face CR7 80% of the time but haven't drafted him once, been knocked out 4 times by him and each time I was definitely playing a d1 player, you can tell from the skill moves.

    Just made the final for the first time in my 5th attempt, had to grind each win though, I'm 8-4 and I'd say 2/3 games were easy, alos getting sick of the drop back counter, literally had 71% last match and had to grind a 2-1 win. Huge amounts of bodies in defence and ai blocks... Yay

    Played 3 drafts today, made the final twice, matched a pro in both of them.

    Probably matched more pros in 20 drafts this year than I did in 100+ last year :joy:

    I already played a pro in D1 on Monday (He had more than 400 skill rating than me) great matchmaking 😂 guess he had no one to play.

    Managed a 2-2 draw with the last kick of the match which was nice, considering I googled him and on twitter he showed of his record which something filthy like 253-0-4, though from draft
  • kraid
    7637 posts League Winner
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  • Grifan
    1757 posts Play-Off Hero
    kraid wrote: »
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    Yeah I thought this was happening. I thought this would be mare casual but nah. Bad bad idea for friendlies to use sbmm
  • RadioShaq
    18598 posts Moderator
    Should use it’s own matchmaking. When you have good player dropping in rivals it makes it less casual as you aren’t playing people of your level.
  • Bobo23
    3718 posts National Call-Up
    edited October 2020
    Just gives people even more reason to relegate themselves for easier games all around. This is all becoming a bit of a mess tbh.
  • scalios
    53 posts Park Captain
    Bobo23 wrote: »
    Just gives people even more reason to relegate themselves for easier games all around. This is all becoming a bit of a mess tbh.

    Exactly, i still didnt play my placement games yet, maybe i dont play them at all (because i dont like rivals) or just botch them and loose most. The coin rewards for placement are nice, but i am trading anyway and dont want sweaty friendlies too. Last year was DIV 2 and dont want that in friendlies.

    Friendlies and draft should be open matchmaking.
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