FIFA 21 As It Stands..

TacticalTugTeam
1366 posts Professional
edited October 2020
FIFA21 as it stands is a somewhat decent game with a decent sized skillgap.

Defending is definitely more manual than FIFA20 & pace of the players is how it should be unlike FIFA20 where slower defenders at times would catchup and bail out the noobs.

There are still issues with the game it's far from perfect with tackles bouncing back to your opponent & Auto Blocks around the box can be annoying but there's enough attacking variety to get around it if you're a good player.

Passing can be off at times too.


E.A in the next update MUST NOT buff AI Defending or touch the PACE of the players....

If they do the game could go to pot just like FIFA20 and we'll have another slugfest.

The poorer players are going to complain they can't defend in the coming weeks there's no doubt about that but i'm hoping for once E.A will stay strong and not give in... we need a skillgap and at the moment FIFA21 has that.. just minor tweaks needed.

Comments

  • blue166
    1547 posts Play-Off Hero
    Yeah I am happy for more of a skill gap.

    As the player it's your job to get better and improve and that's the way it is.

    It's the same for all of us.

    Enjoy.
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    blue166 wrote: »
    Yeah I am happy for more of a skill gap.

    As the player it's your job to get better and improve and that's the way it is.

    It's the same for all of us.

    Enjoy.

    Yeah! getting better at defending and with it being more manual in 21 it's a learning curve.. unlike 20 where it's so heavily AI Assisted.

    Let's hope E.A don't ruin it with the next update!.
  • CheekiBreeki00
    87 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    The game is a slugfest when the scripts kick in though... other team defenders jockeying faster than Neymar can sprint. Just be lucky they haven't chosen you to lose yet because once they do you won't be saying this...
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    edited October 2020
    The game is a slugfest when the scripts kick in though... other team defenders jockeying faster than Neymar can sprint. Just be lucky they haven't chosen you to lose yet because once they do you won't be saying this...

    Not true at all, FIFA21 is a decent FIFA with a good skillgap.

    Defending requires skill, if you can't adapt then you've been used to the AI Defending for you just like in FIFA20 and previous FIFA'S, that's a slugfest not FIFA21.

    On FIFA21 you can actually outpace slower defenders, pace is relevant.
  • Bonusb3rtie
    590 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited October 2020
    The game is a slugfest when the scripts kick in though... other team defenders jockeying faster than Neymar can sprint. Just be lucky they haven't chosen you to lose yet because once they do you won't be saying this...

    Not true at all, FIFA21 is a decent FIFA with a good skillgap.

    Defending requires skill, if you can't adapt then you've been used to the AI Defending for you just like in FIFA20 and previous FIFA'S, that's a slugfest not FIFA21.

    On FIFA21 you can actually outpace slower defenders, pace is relevant.

    Totally agree 👍
  • Mivanpy10
    188 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I agree somewhat but now I have figured defending to a extent. You still have to deal with the dodgy bounces and blocks then bounce off and then find there way into the path of a incoming opponent. There are a few other nuances that really irritate me.
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    Mivanpy10 wrote: »
    I agree somewhat but now I have figured defending to a extent. You still have to deal with the dodgy bounces and blocks then bounce off and then find there way into the path of a incoming opponent. There are a few other nuances that really irritate me.

    The game isn't perfect I get you... Sometimes when you make a manual tackle you won't get the ball or it will bounce straight back to your opponent this is something E.A could fix in the next update.

    Defending is a challenge it's a learning curve.

    I still feel like AI Auto blocks happen too much though! but overall I like the game it has a decent skill gap atleast, If E.A change improve things with the update without changing the pace of players or buffing AI Defending we could finally be in for a good year..


    Only issue is I don't trust E.A because people are complaining about the defending already.. instead of learning to adapt.
  • Mivanpy10
    188 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited October 2020
    Mivanpy10 wrote: »
    I agree somewhat but now I have figured defending to a extent. You still have to deal with the dodgy bounces and blocks then bounce off and then find there way into the path of a incoming opponent. There are a few other nuances that really irritate me.

    The game isn't perfect I get you... Sometimes when you make a manual tackle you won't get the ball or it will bounce straight back to your opponent this is something E.A could fix in the next update.

    Defending is a challenge it's a learning curve.

    I still feel like AI Auto blocks happen too much though! but overall I like the game it has a decent skill gap atleast, If E.A change improve things with the update without changing the pace of players or buffing AI Defending we could finally be in for a good year..


    Only issue is I don't trust E.A because people are complaining about the defending already.. instead of learning to adapt.

    They can't change the defending! Just tweak it and reward good defending as its bloody hard enough as it is! The least they can do is when you do get a challenge timed to perfection is not have it falling back to the opposition.
    Some of the refereeing is dodgy had a one on one and brought down edge of the box only got a yellow but I've seen more instances of some soft refereeing. Then some tackles going totally unpunished that are criminal!

    They need to nerf the momentum of teams on form the bounces and strength of players like salah bullying Centre backs is ludicrous. It's too much.

    Form in seasons has to go!

    Small pool of teams that are always obviously the best in the league they are in playing the league same from other league all the time. Not enough variation


  • Tooth
    6 posts Ball Boy
    Apart from the above what annoys me is when you take a corner and the defender under presser clears the ball with say.....a overhead kick and it goes all the way to the halfway line where low and behold there only player outside of the box is, who happens to be unmarked as your defenders are way over the other side of the pitch have a chitchat instead of marking him. or when a striker is bearing down on your goal and you change you man to try and block him before he gets to your goal but the computer change to the man behind him who is chasing him with no chance of catching him.
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    Tooth wrote: »
    Apart from the above what annoys me is when you take a corner and the defender under presser clears the ball with say.....a overhead kick and it goes all the way to the halfway line where low and behold there only player outside of the box is, who happens to be unmarked as your defenders are way over the other side of the pitch have a chitchat instead of marking him. or when a striker is bearing down on your goal and you change you man to try and block him before he gets to your goal but the computer change to the man behind him who is chasing him with no chance of catching him.

    Yeah the game deffo still has some issues, manual defending even though I like it, sometimes even when you try to intercept a pass you'll read your opponent but you won't get it.

    A few things in the next patch hopefully gets addressed, but we'll see what E.A do I guess.
  • Ibracadabra86
    131 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Agree. At kick off you see a lot of people switch to attacker and dont defend. This year they get rekt like it should be. Defending takes skill now. Ea hold hands to long with the players who dont want to defend. I hope they dont patch it
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    Agree. At kick off you see a lot of people switch to attacker and dont defend. This year they get rekt like it should be. Defending takes skill now. Ea hold hands to long with the players who dont want to defend. I hope they dont patch it

    Yeah defending is harder! like you said the game isn't going to defend for people as much as Defending is more manual in general, I do think AI Auto blocks inside the box could be toned down a bit though.. they can be annoying.

    Overall I like the game it's much better than FIFA20 but there's still a few issues that need ironing out!.


    I still worry E.A will make defending easier with the next update and buff defending and make pace less relevant.. because so many people are complaining already.
  • Brydobhoy88
    424 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited October 2020
    Ive been crying out for manual defending in fifa for years now and it looks like weve got it.
    BUT
    It has been implemented with a defensive system thats broken and they don't work well together.
    (Rank top 100 btw)
    So my general defensive game goes with jockeying my opponent, I read every my opponent makes, every skill move, I jockey, I switch and cover runs when theres no immediate danger from the guy on the ball , this is what I love.

    Now the problem arises when you actually try win the ball after reading your opponent.
    You read your opponents pass and cleverly place your CDM or CB to cut out a pass, the ball goes past them and they dont react.

    You read your opponent cut inside, the attacker ghosts through your defender.

    You make sure your opponent cant get past you by getting your strong defender in a position to nudge them off the ball, still the attacker out strengths the defender.

    Tackling is broken, you can literally be face on with your opponent press tackle and your defender will miss the ball completely even though youve timed it well and directed it properly, and even if you do win the ball it will 70-80% of the time bounce back to your opponent.

    Agility, defenders agility is too low for me, my opponent could be running down the wing with sterling , I am defending with pavard for example, I know my opponent wants to cut in so i slow down and try to cover inside, the time it takes pavard to slow down and adjust his body , sterling has already cut inside and tool about 4 steps.

    **How you master defending, closing passing lanes, covering AI runs, getting defenders in positions to muscle attackers off the ball, forcing your opponent to make a mistake or dilly dally on the ball so you can tackle** - all this stuff is toooo random in this

    Pace has to be relevant but so does strength when you have your defender shoulder to shoulder or just infront of the attacker.
    Played a guy who had James up front, he outmuscled my 2 CBs who both had over 80+strength only because he was faster.
  • Bonusb3rtie
    590 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Ive been crying out for manual defending in fifa for years now and it looks like weve got it.
    BUT
    It has been implemented with a defensive system thats broken and they don't work well together.
    (Rank top 100 btw)
    So my general defensive game goes with jockeying my opponent, I read every my opponent makes, every skill move, I jockey, I switch and cover runs when theres no immediate danger from the guy on the ball , this is what I love.

    Now the problem arises when you actually try win the ball after reading your opponent.
    You read your opponents pass and cleverly place your CDM or CB to cut out a pass, the ball goes past them and they dont react.

    You read your opponent cut inside, the attacker ghosts through your defender.

    You make sure your opponent cant get past you by getting your strong defender in a position to nudge them off the ball, still the attacker out strengths the defender.

    Tackling is broken, you can literally be face on with your opponent press tackle and your defender will miss the ball completely even though youve timed it well and directed it properly, and even if you do win the ball it will 70-80% of the time bounce back to your opponent.

    Agility, defenders agility is too low for me, my opponent could be running down the wing with sterling , I am defending with pavard for example, I know my opponent wants to cut in so i slow down and try to cover inside, the time it takes pavard to slow down and adjust his body , sterling has already cut inside and tool about 4 steps.

    **How you master defending, closing passing lanes, covering AI runs, getting defenders in positions to muscle attackers off the ball, forcing your opponent to make a mistake or dilly dally on the ball so you can tackle** - all this stuff is toooo random in this

    Pace has to be relevant but so does strength when you have your defender shoulder to shoulder or just infront of the attacker.
    Played a guy who had James up front, he outmuscled my 2 CBs who both had over 80+strength only because he was faster.

    Mate. I am Fifa biggest backer on these boards but I think you have a point here.

    My record so far is played 24 and won 22. I consider myself decent at the game (I won 51 Div 1 Titles last year) but there are loads of people better than me of course.

    Anyway...I was just making the same point to my friends. When my opponents defence has the ball, I feel I have a good radar for what he will do next, but when I put my players in the position to block the pass or muscle him off the ball (surefire results in 20) they rarely come off.

    Instead he makes a quick (and a lot of the time pretty unstoppable) pass to midfield and the same pass upfront and suddenly he is in a 1 to situation with my defence. He didnt have to do a lot of work to get there.

    Like I said, I'm a pretty decent defender so I have mostly been able to stop him using the last line of defence. But not all the time.

    Of course it is the same for me upfront and I usually am outscoring my opponent, so its fine.

    But I do feel they have yet to find the balance between defence and attack.
  • Brydobhoy88
    424 posts Sunday League Hero
    Yeah man thts how I feel, defending is manual but somehow they've managed to make it manual but your still not rewarded properly for defending yourself.

    Everyone know when they make it manual defending the lesser player will struggle to keep out goals plus if they play a better opponent they will struggle to score goals.
    So what EA have done is make it so fu**ing easy to score to try keep everyone happy.

    I dont want to play seasons and win 6-3 every game, I love beating people 2,3-0 and keeping a clean sheet, Actual football.
  • TacticalTugTeam
    1366 posts Professional
    edited October 2020
    Yeah man thts how I feel, defending is manual but somehow they've managed to make it manual but your still not rewarded properly for defending yourself.

    Everyone know when they make it manual defending the lesser player will struggle to keep out goals plus if they play a better opponent they will struggle to score goals.
    So what EA have done is make it so fu**ing easy to score to try keep everyone happy.

    I dont want to play seasons and win 6-3 every game, I love beating people 2,3-0 and keeping a clean sheet, Actual football.

    Frustrating that defending is manual however the tackles bounce back and it's not rewarding.

    AI Auto blocks are (annoying) they could do with being toned down 10-15% however because pace is more relevant this year and realistic and you have skill moves to bypass people who just contain there are ways around it if you're a good player you just have to attack the spaces, and shoot away from the defenders but at times Auto blocks are a massive pain in the arse lol.

    Apparently E.A "Re worked the blocking system" - it's complete bs because they're arguably even worse than last year!.

    Overall though I do think FIFA21 is a much better FIFA than FIFA20 which was a slugfest.

    FIFA21 does have some issues though it's far from perfect, let's hope the next update doesn't ruin the game..
  • blue166
    1547 posts Play-Off Hero
    Defending is somewhat broken for all that has been mentioned above.

    What stands out is when you cover the passing lane and the defender watches the ball go past to the striker when all they had to do was put a foot out.

    Strikers are over buffed and defenders have rocks for brains.

    Defenders made to look weak way to often when it should be the other way around.

    There are other examples but the above EA need to address to balance defence vs attack. Right now 9-5 and 6-4 scorelines is not uncommon.

    The game does need to be balanced and made fair.

    Also midfield needs to matter more again.
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