Government response on Loot Boxes

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Sean2890
210 posts Sunday League Hero
You recently signed the petition “Extend the Gambling Act to cover Loot Boxes”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300171

A House of Lords Committee has published a report on Gambling Harm, which highlights evidence that loot boxes cause gambling problems or exploit problem gambling, and calls for the Government to extend gambling legislation to cover loot boxes.

The report stresses that the Gambling Act does not need amending to allow it to cover loot boxes; ministers already have the power to make regulations to do this, so it could be done in a matter of weeks.

Comments

  • Hannayiom
    220 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Fingers crossed.
  • Rossco160715
    3199 posts National Call-Up
    They want it done by August. Fantastic news.
  • Goodgod10
    653 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Brilliant. Get it done. They'll be well under way devising a workaround
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.
  • Hannayiom
    220 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    So what exactly happens in Belgium? Fifa points removed from in game?

    Is it easily bypassed via a VPN?
  • BadSeedsFC
    3179 posts National Call-Up
    That's what I call good news 😀
  • Gazmac_868
    2895 posts Fans' Favourite
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    Once the uk does it others will likely follow, EA should just do the decent thing and banish these ‘surprise mechanics’.
  • Mr_Matchup1
    6848 posts Big Money Move
    Gazmac_868 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    Once the uk does it others will likely follow, EA should just do the decent thing and banish these ‘surprise mechanics’.

    Exactly the same as brexit, once we leave the EU will break up. Oh it hasn't happened yet
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    edited July 2020
    People are underestimating the pull the UK have in the world compared to Belguim with no disrespect to Belguim.

    If EA choose to do the same as they done with Belguim the UK media will run riot with that story. It would be a PR nightmare and will also look bad on FIFA who could put pressure on EA.

    Can you imagine the headlines "UK government bans loot boxes as they're gambling for kids, EA choose to block them in the UK instead of removing them altogether."

    Not to mention when this law is passed and it makes mainstream news it's very likely other countries will start to follow. Belguim done a good job in banning loot boxes but they didn't do a great job spreading the awareness. The UK will do both.
  • Gazmac_868
    2895 posts Fans' Favourite
    Gazmac_868 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    Once the uk does it others will likely follow, EA should just do the decent thing and banish these ‘surprise mechanics’.

    Exactly the same as brexit, once we leave the EU will break up. Oh it hasn't happened yet

    We re still in a transition period eu are begging for that to be extended. Anyway hope all these governments see sense and ban this introduction to gambling for kids.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    Gazmac_868 wrote: »
    Gazmac_868 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    Once the uk does it others will likely follow, EA should just do the decent thing and banish these ‘surprise mechanics’.

    Exactly the same as brexit, once we leave the EU will break up. Oh it hasn't happened yet

    We re still in a transition period eu are begging for that to be extended. Anyway hope all these governments see sense and ban this introduction to gambling for kids.

    Begging to be extended? You have any idea what's going on there?
  • RadioShaq
    21273 posts Moderator
    Won’t be like Belgium. They want to remove packs so uk might get excluded from playing fut next year.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    It won’t be, you’ve interpreted it wrong. People in Belgium can still buy packs with coins. The UK legislation states that loot boxes are games of chance and should be considered gambling. Packs will need to be removed. EA have 2 choices: exclude their biggest market from the game, in turn creating a PR nightmare. Or re work the entire game to not include packs. The legislation won’t permit any other way.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Won’t be like Belgium. They want to remove packs so uk might get excluded from playing fut next year.

    Don't know why you keep thinking this would even be an option 🤣
  • Queens11
    3090 posts National Call-Up
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    The uk is futs biggest market so far from Belgium #2 and will definitely force some kind of change at ea in regards to forcing children into gambling at a young age and think it’s fine because they call it surprise mechanics 🤮and actually compare it to kinder eggs
    if the Uk is out it won’t be long before everyone else follows suit as this topic is being widely debated by all major countries around the world
  • RadioShaq
    21273 posts Moderator
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.
  • Yendinho_11
    579 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Take Fifa points purchase out the game and make people earn their packs. that way EA might actually have to concentrate on making a decebt game at last 🙏
  • NornIron
    16089 posts World Class
    Ive spent £10 ever and im a founder, actually the best market was probably Fifa 10. I didnt pack many great players back then but when I did it felt unreal. Now most people have an unreal team before Fifa is released.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    I personally can’t see them excluding the UK from UT. It’s by far the biggest market, if you are going to keep anyone happy, you keep your best customers happy. Could you imagine the backlash if they exclude the UK because the refuse to drop their model of marketing gambling to children! The implications of that would be huge and would hurt the company much more than making a switch to how the game operates. The change is coming worldwide, no point upsetting your fan base for the sake of rinsing packs for another 12 months. They undoubtedly have a plan b. Their shareholders would have demanded a plan b when all this stuff started to kick off years back
  • nicitel32
    3001 posts National Call-Up
    really hope they exclude uk from FUt..nice idea
  • Destin8or
    6252 posts Big Money Move
    nicitel32 wrote: »
    really hope they exclude uk from FUt..nice idea

    For who?
  • RadioShaq
    21273 posts Moderator
    I mean maybe in fut but you are also talking about changing all the other games too as it sets a precedent. Also someone said uk is only 5-10 percent of the fut market so can see it being a possibility since it’s a small percentage. Also I am sure Belgium thought the same thing that it would change the world.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    I personally can’t see them excluding the UK from UT. It’s by far the biggest market, if you are going to keep anyone happy, you keep your best customers happy. Could you imagine the backlash if they exclude the UK because the refuse to drop their model of marketing gambling to children! The implications of that would be huge and would hurt the company much more than making a switch to how the game operates. The change is coming worldwide, no point upsetting your fan base for the sake of rinsing packs for another 12 months. They undoubtedly have a plan b. Their shareholders would have demanded a plan b when all this stuff started to kick off years back

    geniune question, but where do you get the information from that 'UK is by far the biggest market' ?
    I dont think anyone (apart from EA) has even the slightest clue on where the most points are spend. Not talking about players, talking about where the most FP's are spend.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    edited July 2020
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    Your thinking is all wrong mate 🤣

    So EA doing the right thing would be a PR nightmare but excluding the whole of the UK from the game so they can keep kids gambling wouldn't be? C'mon I know you love to back up EA with absolutely everything but surely you don't even believe what you're saying 🤣🤣🤣
  • phep
    2015 posts Fans' Favourite
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    It won’t be, you’ve interpreted it wrong. People in Belgium can still buy packs with coins. The UK legislation states that loot boxes are games of chance and should be considered gambling. Packs will need to be removed. EA have 2 choices: exclude their biggest market from the game, in turn creating a PR nightmare. Or re work the entire game to not include packs. The legislation won’t permit any other way.

    There is not legislation, just a report of recommendations. Nobody really knows what that means in a practical sense.

    Regarding “uk is the biggest market etc”, if we assume the UK makes up even 5% of sales, that’s not insignificant. A 5% hit to profits will not look good to the shareholders. They’ll want to find some way to monetise that region. Remember, it’s not just Fifa point sales which would fall off if they blocked the UK from FUT, they’d probably sell about half as many copies of the base game too. That’s gonna cost them hundreds of millions. The idea that EA would exclude a whole huge market from their most popular game mode is ridiculous and not even worth thinking about.
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    Your thinking is all wrong mate 🤣

    So EA doing the right thing would be a PR nightmare but excluding the whole of the UK from the game so they can keep kids gambling wouldn't be? C'mon I know you love to back up EA with absolutely everything but surely you don't even believe what you're saying 🤣🤣🤣

    If EA wil change this fully, they are admitting that it was wrong, making themselves accountable for the results and damage, lawsuits etc.
    How do you think reactions will be on that?

    ps. Noone is 'backing up' EA, here. If people do not agree with your view, its not always 'backing up' EA.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    I personally can’t see them excluding the UK from UT. It’s by far the biggest market, if you are going to keep anyone happy, you keep your best customers happy. Could you imagine the backlash if they exclude the UK because the refuse to drop their model of marketing gambling to children! The implications of that would be huge and would hurt the company much more than making a switch to how the game operates. The change is coming worldwide, no point upsetting your fan base for the sake of rinsing packs for another 12 months. They undoubtedly have a plan b. Their shareholders would have demanded a plan b when all this stuff started to kick off years back

    geniune question, but where do you get the information from that 'UK is by far the biggest market' ?
    I dont think anyone (apart from EA) has even the slightest clue on where the most points are spend. Not talking about players, talking about where the most FP's are spend.

    There was a website that measures popularity by trophies and achievement unlocks. Last time I checked, UK accounted for 15% of the market, closely followed by the us and then I think Thailand were 3rd with about 7% of the market share. Do not under estimate the influence the UK has on this game
  • Chavez76
    9875 posts League Winner
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    LeftPeg001 wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    I personally can’t see them excluding the UK from UT. It’s by far the biggest market, if you are going to keep anyone happy, you keep your best customers happy. Could you imagine the backlash if they exclude the UK because the refuse to drop their model of marketing gambling to children! The implications of that would be huge and would hurt the company much more than making a switch to how the game operates. The change is coming worldwide, no point upsetting your fan base for the sake of rinsing packs for another 12 months. They undoubtedly have a plan b. Their shareholders would have demanded a plan b when all this stuff started to kick off years back

    geniune question, but where do you get the information from that 'UK is by far the biggest market' ?
    I dont think anyone (apart from EA) has even the slightest clue on where the most points are spend. Not talking about players, talking about where the most FP's are spend.

    There was a website that measures popularity by trophies and achievement unlocks. Last time I checked, UK accounted for 15% of the market, closely followed by the us and then I think Thailand were 3rd with about 7% of the market share. Do not under estimate the influence the UK has on this game

    im not talking about achievements / trophies though, I'm talking about where the most FP's are being bought and spend.

    Again, I'm all for a different system, dont get me wrong.
  • LeftPeg001
    113 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    RadioShaq wrote: »
    Why wouldn’t it be. Like someone else already said packs are planned into the game. Belgium has been excluded from fp so it’s already happened in a way although this will be for packs. You think they are going to refund the rest of the world change the whole game mid season after everyone else has bought packs made their teams ect that would be a pr nightmare.

    Your thinking is all wrong mate 🤣

    So EA doing the right thing would be a PR nightmare but excluding the whole of the UK from the game so they can keep kids gambling wouldn't be? C'mon I know you love to back up EA with absolutely everything but surely you don't even believe what you're saying 🤣🤣🤣

    If EA wil change this fully, they are admitting that it was wrong, making themselves accountable for the results and damage, lawsuits etc.
    How do you think reactions will be on that?

    ps. Noone is 'backing up' EA, here. If people do not agree with your view, its not always 'backing up' EA.

    Mate, I’m sure you’re a nice guy but my god you don’t half talk some rubbish. If a new law is passed then it’s up to the company to adhere to the new standards. It has nothing to do with admitting foul play or liability 😂. A law could be passed saying drinking beer is now illegal, that doesn’t mean any company that ever sold it prior to the law is now liable. You move with the times.
  • Dinks
    359 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited July 2020
    Gazmac_868 wrote: »
    Chavez76 wrote: »
    There's multiple threads for this now ... but like stated in the other one:
    I doubt EA i going to change the FP / loot box principal if not (many!) more countries will come with the same statement.
    UK will just be Belgium#2.

    Once the uk does it others will likely follow, EA should just do the decent thing and banish these ‘surprise mechanics’.

    Exactly the same as brexit, once we leave the EU will break up. Oh it hasn't happened yet

    There is tension between the higher contributing and lower contributing nations in the eu and the distribution of funds, Germany and France are fighting with Spain Italy Poland Bulgaria Portugal Greece and other nations and have been since we left its only a matter of time before it dissolves, so get your facts correct before you make daft comments
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