Loot boxes finally being classed as gambling to protect kids in UK??

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Fifa_Hawk_85
16720 posts World Class
edited June 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/jun/07/uk-could-class-loot-boxes-as-gambling-to-protect-children

How do yous feel about this. Sounds like this casino is finally coming to an end at last. This can only be a good thing for the fifa community. What's your views?

Comments

  • 16Townley90
    1169 posts Professional
    What else could FIFA do tho?
  • Azof
    21818 posts Club Captain
    If they go they will be replaced by either.
    A massive grind that people will give off about.
    Or
    A complete gutting of the game, why would they bother to run promos throughout the year if they can't make money from them.
    Or
    Buy players for a set amount of £ and everyone has the best team day one
  • 16Townley90
    1169 posts Professional
    Retro_G wrote: »
    What else could FIFA do tho?

    Season pass system, this archaic loot box system needs to go.

    What is a season pass system? Wil they not just make it over 18
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    Azof wrote: »
    If they go they will be replaced by either.
    A massive grind that people will give off about.
    Or
    A complete gutting of the game, why would they bother to run promos throughout the year if they can't make money from them.
    Or
    Buy players for a set amount of £ and everyone has the best team day one

    Anything will be better than this current system. It's morally wrong.

    Rather than looking at the negatives I personally think this will be a positive move. They will still run promos to keep people engaged and to keep people upgrading their passes or subscriptions. This isn't a bad move in any way.
  • TDOF
    9002 posts League Winner
    edited June 2020
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    Retro_G wrote: »
    What else could FIFA do tho?

    Season pass system, this archaic loot box system needs to go.

    What is a season pass system? Wil they not just make it over 18

    FIFA would never let them make this game 18+ and alienate all the kids from the game. Would be a PR nightmare and EA would end up losing the rights. But this wont happen as EA will be well aware or FIFA will have told them 18+ isn't an option.

    They can move away from loot boxes, make a season pass, still make tons of profit and keep everyone happy. Everyone wins in this scenario.
  • Boysie91
    16488 posts World Class
    EA will just sell coins instead
  • Thunder001
    820 posts Semi-Pro
    Buy coins with real money?
  • Dragon0102
    830 posts Semi-Pro
    https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/jun/07/uk-could-class-loot-boxes-as-gambling-to-protect-children

    How do yous feel about this. Sounds like this casino is finally coming to an end at last. This can only be a good thing for the fifa community. What's your views?

    Yes, finally.
    Let’s make them pay for every time they exploited us customers and provide evidence on their gambling mechanic.
  • Retro_G
    33023 posts National Team Captain
    TDOF wrote: »
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)

    That would be straight up pay to win, they'd alienate a large majority of the community. Doubt they'll go down that route.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    Boysie91 wrote: »
    EA will just sell coins instead

    This is also a possibility but then packs would have to be removed as buying them with coins would be the same thing.

    A season pass seems the most realistic as it looks like it's already in place. Remember EA will have known this was coming for a long time their legal team will no doubt have advised them to start preparing for the future without loot boxes. Most games have done the same and are moving away from loot boxes as they all know it's coming to an end and will want to be ready for the transition.

    They could also sell things in the store like kits, badges, tifos, balls etc. People will still buy the cosmetic items aswell as the season pass. There's still alot of money to be made from this game mode without loot boxes. If I can come up with alternatives I'm sure EA are well prepared and have plans for the future.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    Retro_G wrote: »
    TDOF wrote: »
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)

    That would be straight up pay to win, they'd alienate a large majority of the community. Doubt they'll go down that route.

    It will most definitely be a season pass system with cosmetic items in the store. This keeps everyone happy and still makes EA alot of profit and it seems they have it in place already. The season progress we have now can be turned into a season pass that you need to pay for to get the good content but can still get the likes of players on the pass for free. Similar to CoD where you get the guns in the free tiers but if you buy the pass you get the emblems and accessories and stuff.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see them going a different route than this it just makes sense from all angles.
  • Damo_Suzuki
    4012 posts National Call-Up
    It is irrelevant to me as I don't spend money on points anyway. Delay and inconsistent gameplay is the problem. I'm happy to grind if the players I earn function to their stats and play in a fair matchup against other players. Otherwise both grinding and spending money is pointless.
  • 16Townley90
    1169 posts Professional
    Oh wait so an idea could be players are sold at s set price by EA and we can buy coins so that takes the gambling out of it?
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    It is irrelevant to me as I don't spend money on points anyway. Delay and inconsistent gameplay is the problem. I'm happy to grind if the players I earn function to their stats and play in a fair matchup against other players. Otherwise both grinding and spending money is pointless.

    You're not seeing the bigger picture here. I don't buy points either but I'm pretty hyped about this.

    The reason the gameplay is so inconsistent is because EA put all their efforts into selling packs instead of improving gameplay. If it moves to a season pass or subscription they will then have to put more effort into gameplay to keep people renewing every month or two. Loot boxes are a big reason the gameplay is in the state it's in.
  • limjitwe
    10098 posts Has That Special Something
    Can you make loot boxes for those above 18? Below 18. They can’t have the option to buy FP?
  • TDOF
    9002 posts League Winner
    Retro_G wrote: »
    TDOF wrote: »
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)

    That would be straight up pay to win, they'd alienate a large majority of the community. Doubt they'll go down that route.

    the current system is also pay to win..... but instead of spending 80 quid to get messi or cr7 you have to spend a grand in the first week.....
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    edited June 2020
    Oh wait so an idea could be players are sold at s set price by EA and we can buy coins so that takes the gambling out of it?

    That's a possibility but I'm pretty confident that they will have a season pass system and only sell cosmetics in the store like kits and such.

    You could still get packs from rewards for playing the game but just won't be able to buy them with real money. Then you could have players available to unlock through challenges and unlocking tiers in the pass. There's so many ways EA could go with this but a season pass will definitely be a part of it imo. How you access players and such I'm not so confident about but I don't think EA will sell them in the store as the prices they would charge would most likely cause an uproar and be another PR nightmare. Imagine the likes of Gullit costing hundreds in the store the media would cripple EA.

    There's so many ways EA can keep this game mode profitable without loot boxes and without bring bad attention to them. And most importantly the community will most likely benefit in many ways.

    This could actually save this game as it's rapidly going downhill. The new era of FUT could be great as the current gen has been shocking.
  • lastfifa
    3623 posts National Call-Up
    Great news!
  • Damo_Suzuki
    4012 posts National Call-Up
    It is irrelevant to me as I don't spend money on points anyway. Delay and inconsistent gameplay is the problem. I'm happy to grind if the players I earn function to their stats and play in a fair matchup against other players. Otherwise both grinding and spending money is pointless.

    You're not seeing the bigger picture here. I don't buy points either but I'm pretty hyped about this.

    The reason the gameplay is so inconsistent is because EA put all their efforts into selling packs instead of improving gameplay. If it moves to a season pass or subscription they will then have to put more effort into gameplay to keep people renewing every month or two. Loot boxes are a big reason the gameplay is in the state it's in.

    But by that logic they would have had to improve gameplay to keep people spending on loot boxes and not give up on the game. But people keep on spending anyway.
  • Dave2791
    1455 posts Play-Off Hero
    Yes. Finally. The sooner this gets done the better
  • S_Word
    111 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I would love a retro style of fifa ultimate team like it was in 09. The gameplay was good and the prices were reasonable. Also there weren't 500 new cards every week because the game didn't need it.

    Nowadays you need those new promo players because otherwise you'd lose your playerbase but back in the day the people just enjoyed playing so there was no need for them

  • Retro_G
    33023 posts National Team Captain
    TDOF wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    TDOF wrote: »
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)

    That would be straight up pay to win, they'd alienate a large majority of the community. Doubt they'll go down that route.

    the current system is also pay to win..... but instead of spending 80 quid to get messi or cr7 you have to spend a grand in the first week.....

    They've a transfer market, you can trade to a stacked team if you know what you're doing. It's more like pay to progress faster at the moment.
  • CarpeDiem
    3424 posts National Call-Up
    FUT will just become a 18+ game mode and not much will change. Id guess that the majority that buy points are in the 16-24 category.
  • sparky123
    399 posts Sunday League Hero
    Retro_G wrote: »
    What else could FIFA do tho?

    Season pass system, this archaic loot box system needs to go.

    What is a season pass system? Wil they not just make it over 18

    FIFA would never let them make this game 18+ and alienate all the kids from the game. Would be a PR nightmare and EA would end up losing the rights. But this wont happen as EA will be well aware or FIFA will have told them 18+ isn't an option.

    They can move away from loot boxes, make a season pass, still make tons of profit and keep everyone happy. Everyone wins in this scenario.

    I honestly think that the season objectives/milestones have been a way for EA to measure the success of a season pass and a way to implement it into Fifa. Grinding for players through objectives and combined with better rewards in league SBC’s gives players a reason to play. Put that together with better gameplay and servers, you could have a much better game than in its current state.
  • Fifa_Hawk_85
    16720 posts World Class
    It is irrelevant to me as I don't spend money on points anyway. Delay and inconsistent gameplay is the problem. I'm happy to grind if the players I earn function to their stats and play in a fair matchup against other players. Otherwise both grinding and spending money is pointless.

    You're not seeing the bigger picture here. I don't buy points either but I'm pretty hyped about this.

    The reason the gameplay is so inconsistent is because EA put all their efforts into selling packs instead of improving gameplay. If it moves to a season pass or subscription they will then have to put more effort into gameplay to keep people renewing every month or two. Loot boxes are a big reason the gameplay is in the state it's in.

    But by that logic they would have had to improve gameplay to keep people spending on loot boxes and not give up on the game. But people keep on spending anyway.

    Their attention now is fully focused on selling packs, we can all see this. Remove loot boxes and they go back to focusing on gameplay and start making great games again like they did for so many years. This company has lost their sight and maybe if we go back to basics they will start to see again.
  • Ballist1x
    3904 posts National Call-Up
    TDOF wrote: »
    they can easily just replace the fifa points with actually being able to buy the players for a set price....

    for example, when the game comes out;

    Messi; £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    CR7: £79.99 or 1,000,000 coins
    KDB; £65.00 or 750,000 coins
    ...
    ...

    and so on.....

    each season the price could drop


    obviously the market then shouldn't exsist, but i don't think thats a wild theory.... there's people making thousands from patreons... obviously EA don't like people making money from trading.... because they don't spend the money.

    Also all packs could still be there but be untradeable... (like they have been given us in some SBCs, i think that was obviously on purpose to see how the community would react)

    As if anyone would pay £80 for 1 player.

    The whole game costs less than that lol.
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