Do people on this forum actually watch football?

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Scrub39
120 posts Has Potential To Be Special
If you've watched or played football at any level you'll know that players don't win every tackle, even perfectly timed ones.

Teams can have 20 shots and lose to a team that has 1 shot.

Teams can lose a game with 60% possession.

Individual mistakes happen in every area of the pitch by every player.

All you see is thread after thread talking about how the game is broken due to tackling/defending and passing. If every tackle came off, every pass was made with inch perfect accuracy, if you win every game you dominate then its further away from a "football simulator".

If you lose out on perfectly timed tackles then your opponent will too. These bits of bad luck even themselves out over the games you play. Yes it's frustrating but at this point its hard to work out what it is people want!

The game isn't perfect by any means but its the closest it's been to real football in years

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  • Grezzerk
    1699 posts Play-Off Hero
    My only issue is heading. I seem to be missing open nets from slow lofted crosses somehow never mind the fact it took me 26 games to score a header from a corner. In real life you could grab someone from crowd onto pitch and even they would score a free header into an open net.
  • Scrub39
    120 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Grezzerk wrote: »
    My only issue is heading. I seem to be missing open nets from slow lofted crosses somehow never mind the fact it took me 26 games to score a header from a corner. In real life you could grab someone from crowd onto pitch and even they would score a free header into an open net.

    Yeah I agree with this, like I said there are definitely issues with the game! Think I've scored one corner in 50 games which is far from realistic
  • Grezzerk
    1699 posts Play-Off Hero
    Scrub39 wrote: »
    Grezzerk wrote: »
    My only issue is heading. I seem to be missing open nets from slow lofted crosses somehow never mind the fact it took me 26 games to score a header from a corner. In real life you could grab someone from crowd onto pitch and even they would score a free header into an open net.

    Yeah I agree with this, like I said there are definitely issues with the game! Think I've scored one corner in 50 games which is far from realistic

    Yes it’s a good start to the game in my opinion and just needs a few tweaks here and there and will be great. However you just know they going to patch the hell out of it due to all complaints and ruin it. Personally I never bothered with relying on ai defending in 19 but I get the feeling all complaints about defending are from the people who did.
  • simlejh
    137 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    If you want something close to realistic you should try football manager. This is an e-sport marketed to kids and young adults. This will NEVER be a football simulator and if it where that would be the end of EA's revenue from fifa
  • Reggie77
    1055 posts Professional
    I totally agree with your thread... I've played the game for donkeys years and been paid to do so. You'll have matches where you lose 1 nil after battering their goal and they have one single attack. You'll win with 10 men or even 9 at times and you could individually play a great passing game and one rare bad pass gives a goal away... that's football!

    Bugs me to hear the moans.

    The headers I agree with. Some simple headers from 5 yards I'm missing and haven't scored one yet. One was saved from 2 yards! That looks like a glitch as it must be an error but by the same token some variation... miss the 2 yard header at times but the odd cracker powered home would be good too.
  • Pooter
    4802 posts Big Money Move
    There are some that clearly don't, and they just find this game the easiest to play compared to the likes of Call of Duty etc....
  • DadBod
    6381 posts Big Money Move
    Fifa 20 as real football? Dude please give me whatever you’re smoking
  • Scrub39
    120 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    DadBod wrote: »
    Fifa 20 as real football? Dude please give me whatever you’re smoking

    I didn't say it WAS real football but its the closest its been to it in years. My point is people are complaining about aspects of the game which are realistic
  • Renamed123456
    6198 posts Big Money Move

    Yes teams can have those stats and lose,

    The difference is, having those stats and losing in real life is a rare occurrence. And maybe only 2 or 1 if those games you'd lose.

    In FIFA you can have those stats every game and lose 50%; that's the problem.
  • Reggie77
    1055 posts Professional
    Leicester had the lowest stats for possession %, completed passes and time spent in the opponents final 3rd over a course of the season...

    ... they won the title that year!
  • FCBlunt
    3123 posts National Call-Up
    Football is amazing, I as a Barca fan know this.

    We shouldn’t have won the first leg versus Liverpool, but we did because Liverpool wasted chances.
    We went to Anfield with the same gameplan that should’ve cost us the first game. We lost fair and square, and I never felt so humiliated, I never felt so much shame.

    It’s like some games in Fifa, it just wakes emotions in you, best left untouched.
  • sturges12345
    4507 posts National Call-Up
    Lol as if you think bad luck should be as much an influence in a game that is promoted as competitive. Garbage post
  • greggles
    2260 posts Fans' Favourite
    FCBlunt wrote: »
    Football is amazing, I as a Barca fan know this.

    We shouldn’t have won the first leg versus Liverpool, but we did because Liverpool wasted chances.
    We went to Anfield with the same gameplan that should’ve cost us the first game. We lost fair and square, and I never felt so humiliated, I never felt so much shame.

    It’s like some games in Fifa, it just wakes emotions in you, best left untouched.

    try playing city twice a year as a west ham fan, then you'll know shame ;)
  • kraid
    7711 posts League Winner
    I want a game where I can play good football, where I feel like I have control over my players, where I win or lose based on my own ability. You can’t have that and have all these ‘random’ moments.

    I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread where people have complained that their players aren’t making enough mistakes, can’t remember threads of people moaning that when they make a tackle they come away with the ball too often.
  • FCBlunt
    3123 posts National Call-Up
    greggles wrote: »
    FCBlunt wrote: »
    Football is amazing, I as a Barca fan know this.

    We shouldn’t have won the first leg versus Liverpool, but we did because Liverpool wasted chances.
    We went to Anfield with the same gameplan that should’ve cost us the first game. We lost fair and square, and I never felt so humiliated, I never felt so much shame.

    It’s like some games in Fifa, it just wakes emotions in you, best left untouched.

    try playing city twice a year as a west ham fan, then you'll know shame ;)

    Damn, that cracked me up good :D
    At least you’re fifth in the table :smile:
  • Knowlesdinho
    15133 posts World Class
    kraid wrote: »
    I want a game where I can play good football, where I feel like I have control over my players, where I win or lose based on my own ability. You can’t have that and have all these ‘random’ moments.

    I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread where people have complained that their players aren’t making enough mistakes, can’t remember threads of people moaning that when they make a tackle they come away with the ball too often.

    You won’t see those threads because people only create threads moaning about the game, usually when they’ve lost. It can never possibly be their fault either because they should be a pro and it’s only because of EA that they aren’t! Then they go on a win streak and it’s radio silence.

    People only complain when they are losing.
  • greggles
    2260 posts Fans' Favourite
    kraid wrote: »
    I want a game where I can play good football, where I feel like I have control over my players, where I win or lose based on my own ability. You can’t have that and have all these ‘random’ moments.

    I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread where people have complained that their players aren’t making enough mistakes, can’t remember threads of people moaning that when they make a tackle they come away with the ball too often.

    You won’t see those threads because people only create threads moaning about the game, usually when they’ve lost. It can never possibly be their fault either because they should be a pro and it’s only because of EA that they aren’t! Then they go on a win streak and it’s radio silence.

    People only complain when they are losing.

    dear crouchy, score a corner with mertins head
  • Knowlesdinho
    15133 posts World Class
    greggles wrote: »
    kraid wrote: »
    I want a game where I can play good football, where I feel like I have control over my players, where I win or lose based on my own ability. You can’t have that and have all these ‘random’ moments.

    I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread where people have complained that their players aren’t making enough mistakes, can’t remember threads of people moaning that when they make a tackle they come away with the ball too often.

    You won’t see those threads because people only create threads moaning about the game, usually when they’ve lost. It can never possibly be their fault either because they should be a pro and it’s only because of EA that they aren’t! Then they go on a win streak and it’s radio silence.

    People only complain when they are losing.

    dear crouchy, score a corner with mertins head

    😂 I may create a “Dear Knowlesdinho” thread this year.
  • Royalwhite
    996 posts Professional
    edited September 2019
    Scrub39 wrote: »
    If you've watched or played football at any level you'll know that players don't win every tackle, even perfectly timed ones.

    Teams can have 20 shots and lose to a team that has 1 shot.

    Teams can lose a game with 60% possession.

    Individual mistakes happen in every area of the pitch by every player.

    All you see is thread after thread talking about how the game is broken due to tackling/defending and passing. If every tackle came off, every pass was made with inch perfect accuracy, if you win every game you dominate then its further away from a "football simulator".

    If you lose out on perfectly timed tackles then your opponent will too. These bits of bad luck even themselves out over the games you play. Yes it's frustrating but at this point its hard to work out what it is people want!

    The game isn't perfect by any means but its the closest it's been to real football in years

    Thanks for the threat mate , spot on 👍 . I think that most complaints this year are coming from people who suddenly found themselves needing to go through the trouble of defending instead of relying totally on AI 😏
  • Notformeclive
    2872 posts Fans' Favourite
    The things you say can of course happen , Liverpool lost to a shot which deflected in off a beach ball, would you like that factored into the game?
    The point being they are anomalies and if they can't be included as such they shouldn't be included at all, you can't make the success of the tackle button completely random because occasionally a tackle in real life isn't perfect, if you read your opponent and time a tackle you should come away with the ball every time without having to worry about 'surprise mechanics'.
    People misplace passes in real football and miss open goals, goalkeepers let pass backs go through their legs but you cannot have the game determining when these things occur, we already have people playing for rebounds with shots from stupid angles.
  • Verdi
    183 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    In real football I don't control the action with my hands. This is a competitive video game where your button inputs have to count. What is so hard to understand about that?

    There has to be a balance between realistic physics, and rewarding correct decisions. If I tackle and make contact with the ball, I have made the right input, while my opponent has made the wrong one. I deserve to be rewarded for that. You can't apply all the realism of football into a video game, any more than you can simulate a wartime experience in Call of duty.

    Nothing should happen in this game that couldn't have been avoided if I'd pressed the right buttons. That's what video games have to be about.

    If you want the game to play out irrespective of your button inputs, just put down the controller and watch the cpu play against itself.
  • Knowlesdinho
    15133 posts World Class
    edited September 2019
    Verdi wrote: »
    In real football I don't control the action with my hands. This is a competitive video game where your button inputs have to count. What is so hard to understand about that?

    There has to be a balance between realistic physics, and rewarding correct decisions. If I tackle and make contact with the ball, I have made the right input, while my opponent has made the wrong one. I deserve to be rewarded for that. You can't apply all the realism of football into a video game, any more than you can simulate a wartime experience in Call of duty.

    Nothing should happen in this game that couldn't have been avoided if I'd pressed the right buttons. That's what video games have to be about.

    If you want the game to play out irrespective of your button inputs, just put down the controller and watch the cpu play against itself.

    If you’re a goalkeeper you control the action with your hands :trollface:
  • Zv1k0
    6148 posts Big Money Move
    BS. This is a game. Some play it casually but some play it competitively too even in esports. Not winning a ball with a perfectly timed tackle mean there's RNG and RNG has no place in a competitive game. Of course we have to consider stats but even a 99 rated stats have RNG moments. It's a game based on stats. If a highest stat in the game doesn't do what it should do just because it happens in real life then what the hell is the point?
  • zzachzx
    6279 posts Big Money Move
    This is everyone's go to when people complain about the game. "Do you even watch football???????"

    Such a cop out response trying to mask over the problems of the game. And this is coming from someone who likes the game, it's just (as it is every year) there's small adjustments that need to be made
  • @Scrub39 you can have your realism in career mode pal.

    Fut especially in its competitive modes is supposed to be a skillbased game. Realism needs to get sacrificed for consistency.

    You are utterly deluded if you want the most realistic experience in wl, rivals and competitive play.
  • starfox1284
    3611 posts National Call-Up
    Orison wrote: »
    @Scrub39 you can have your realism in career mode pal.

    Fut especially in its competitive modes is supposed to be a skillbased game. Realism needs to get sacrificed for consistency.

    You are utterly deluded if you want the most realistic experience in wl, rivals and competitive play.

    Compeltely agree, its a 12 minute game afterall. The finishing before the early release last tuesday was great and now after that patch its complete crap. I missed two wide open downward headers last game with Abraham and sancho that get scored 100% of the time in real life...
  • mfmaxpower
    389 posts Sunday League Hero
    I'm fine with some 50-50 balls from tackles, especially after crunching tackles. It happens IRL, so I'm okay with that.

    But it's just happening too frequently, and in situations that clearly the defender should win.

    Simple fact is that between balls going back to attackers, rebound goals, defensive AI ❤️❤️❤️❤️, player switching issues, the defending team is still getting punished when it shouldn't at way too high a frequency.
  • SmokeSwift1
    4385 posts National Call-Up
    Scrub39 wrote: »
    If you've watched or played football at any level you'll know that players don't win every tackle, even perfectly timed ones.

    Teams can have 20 shots and lose to a team that has 1 shot.

    Teams can lose a game with 60% possession.

    Individual mistakes happen in every area of the pitch by every player.

    All you see is thread after thread talking about how the game is broken due to tackling/defending and passing. If every tackle came off, every pass was made with inch perfect accuracy, if you win every game you dominate then its further away from a "football simulator".

    If you lose out on perfectly timed tackles then your opponent will too. These bits of bad luck even themselves out over the games you play. Yes it's frustrating but at this point its hard to work out what it is people want!

    The game isn't perfect by any means but its the closest it's been to real football in years

    Exactly people tackle with crap players and expect the tackle to be like Maldini
  • Bobo23
    5667 posts Big Money Move
    But at the end of the day this is a video game and not real football, whoever is better at the game should win and not because of some bs pandicap going in/against your favour. That's the main gripe with FIFA in general!
  • blue166
    1547 posts Play-Off Hero
    I watch a ton of real football. Any old game I will sit and watch for the love of football.

    Indeed anything can happen.

    This is the best FIFA to date. 👍
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