Pep's career thus far has been: Messi, inherit the treble winners, and assemble the most expensive suad in football history. He's obviously a talented manager but he's had loads of help.
Klopp's built Dortmund and Liverpool up with relatively limited funds.
Difficult to say until it’s all said and done. Klopp built his BVB and Liverpool squad’s from nothing, whilst Pep got the best out of Messi and Sterling.
I think the biggest debate with them will always come down to if there roles were reversed. Could Pep build two teams up like Klopp did on a more stringent budget, and could Klopp get the most out of superstar players.
Personally I think the answer is yes for both, but Klopp just edges it for me. Pep has an absolute brilliant mind and may be a touch better tactically than Klopp, but Klopp has that extra little something that I think every player in the world just appreciates.
Zidane because he's won more Champions league than any other manager mind you he does nothing on the touchline just stares with his arms folded don't mess with Zidane.
I think the biggest debate with them will always come down to if there roles were reversed. Could Pep build two teams up like Klopp did on a more stringent budget, and could Klopp get the most out of superstar players.
Personally I think the answer is yes for both, but Klopp just edges it for me. Pep has an absolute brilliant mind and may be a touch better tactically than Klopp, but Klopp has that extra little something that I think every player in the world just appreciates.
That's what it comes down to for me. However, I disagree with you that it is yes for both. Like @Ahmer50x has already touched upon, Pep has been so, so blessed.
He started off very lucky with the players he had at Barcelona. If you look at the signings he made for Barcelona, none of them come even remotely close to having the impact that the players who were already there had (Zlatan, Villa, Alves, Fabregas, Sanchez, etc vs Messi, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, etc).
Then he moved to a team that had literally just won the treble and already had players like Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Neuer, Kroos, Alaba and Muller in the ranks. He added the likes of Vidal, Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and Kimmich to that squad.
Then he moved to City, who already had the likes of Kompany, Sterling, Aguero, D. Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, etc, and added a whole raft of players for an obscene amount to that with his virtually unlimited funds.
There's no evidence to suggest that he could do what Klopp did with Dortmund and Liverpool.
Edit: The fact Klopp has gotten us this close to City, considering the differences in their circumstances, is just outright ❤️❤️❤️❤️ mind-blowing to me.
Pep's career thus far has been: Messi, inherit the treble winners, and assemble the most expensive suad in football history. He's obviously a talented manager but he's had loads of help.
Klopp's built Dortmund and Liverpool up with relatively limited funds.
This, Peps been given stuff on a plate, he was given a Champions league winning Bayern side & slowly messed it up.
Klopp at Dortmund alone wins that for me imo, but the unfortunate win in the CL this season (which lets be real, is what Pep wants at City), means Pep doesn't have a shout.
Give Pep the side Klopp inherited & 4 seasons to turn it into this, would he? I doubt it as good as he can be at times.
To me Pep has a better understanding of the game, whereas Klopp is a better motivator and is sensible with his decisions and what he wants.
If Klopp won some more trophies then him. For now its even.
Yeah, I think Klopp's ability to motivate is at an alien level. People like to mock the stuff he comes out with, but time and time again, players who've played under him all say the same thing.
His words to the dressing room prior to the Barca game still gives me goosebumps. Something like "tonight is impossible, but because it's you guys, we have a chance" and "Try. If we can't do it, then let's fail in the most beautiful way".
I think the biggest debate with them will always come down to if there roles were reversed. Could Pep build two teams up like Klopp did on a more stringent budget, and could Klopp get the most out of superstar players.
Personally I think the answer is yes for both, but Klopp just edges it for me. Pep has an absolute brilliant mind and may be a touch better tactically than Klopp, but Klopp has that extra little something that I think every player in the world just appreciates.
That's what it comes down to for me. However, I disagree with you that it is yes for both. Like @Ahmer50x has already touched upon, Pep has been so, so blessed.
He started off very lucky with the players he had at Barcelona. If you look at the signings he made for Barcelona, none of them come even remotely close to having the impact that the players who were already there had (Zlatan, Villa, Alves, Fabregas, Sanchez, etc vs Messi, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, etc).
Then he moved to a team that had literally just won the treble and already had players like Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Neuer, Kroos, Alaba and Muller in the ranks. He added the likes of Vidal, Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and Kimmich to that squad.
Then he moved to City, who already had the likes of Kompany, Sterling, Aguero, D. Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, etc, and added a whole raft of players for an obscene amount to that with his virtually unlimited funds.
There's no evidence to suggest that he could do what Klopp did with Dortmund and Liverpool.
Edit: The fact Klopp has gotten us this close to City, considering the differences in their circumstances, is just outright **** mind-blowing to me.
Wasn’t pep the one who brought busquets with him from the B team? Pep was also the one that moved Messi from the wing to a more CF position. Pep improved a lot of players he worked with tbh you only have to look at Sterling.
Alves was a brilliant signing by pep tbh and so was David Villa.
I’d say they’re tied tbh. Each have outstanding qualities that dwarf in comparison to the other tbh.
I think the biggest debate with them will always come down to if there roles were reversed. Could Pep build two teams up like Klopp did on a more stringent budget, and could Klopp get the most out of superstar players.
Personally I think the answer is yes for both, but Klopp just edges it for me. Pep has an absolute brilliant mind and may be a touch better tactically than Klopp, but Klopp has that extra little something that I think every player in the world just appreciates.
That's what it comes down to for me. However, I disagree with you that it is yes for both. Like @Ahmer50x has already touched upon, Pep has been so, so blessed.
He started off very lucky with the players he had at Barcelona. If you look at the signings he made for Barcelona, none of them come even remotely close to having the impact that the players who were already there had (Zlatan, Villa, Alves, Fabregas, Sanchez, etc vs Messi, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, etc).
Then he moved to a team that had literally just won the treble and already had players like Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Neuer, Kroos, Alaba and Muller in the ranks. He added the likes of Vidal, Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and Kimmich to that squad.
Then he moved to City, who already had the likes of Kompany, Sterling, Aguero, D. Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, etc, and added a whole raft of players for an obscene amount to that with his virtually unlimited funds.
There's no evidence to suggest that he could do what Klopp did with Dortmund and Liverpool.
Edit: The fact Klopp has gotten us this close to City, considering the differences in their circumstances, is just outright **** mind-blowing to me.
Wasn’t pep the one who brought busquets with him from the B team? Pep was also the one that moved Messi from the wing to a more CF position. Pep improved a lot of players he worked with tbh you only have to look at Sterling.
Alves was a brilliant signing by pep tbh and so was David Villa.
I’d say they’re tied tbh. Each have outstanding qualities that dwarf in comparison to the other tbh.
Messi and Sterling were always going to be as good as they are. Managers do improve players to an extent, but I do think that this can be overstated sometimes. The player actually has to be good enough to get to that level in the first place, otherwise, every single player under Pep/Klopp should be as good as the other, if it's down to the manager improving them as an individual player. There's a reason why Sterling is better than Mahrez, Salah is better than Shaqiri, VVD is better than Lovren and Messi is better than everyone. Natural talent. Brendan Rodgers was the manager that Suarez first exploded under, but I doubt anyone would attribute it to him.
In terms of getting the best out of players, and "seeing" ways to unlock their potential, I'd say Pep and Klopp are on a similar level.
But inheriting a team that is already full of them, compared to actually having to bring them in afterwards, is a different thing. Klopp edges that, imo.
Our strongest 11 is probably Alisson, Robertson, VVD, Matip. TAA, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita, Firmino, Salah and Mane.
Only one of them was already here. 2 if you include TAA.
I do really like you, but you really need to remove your United-tinted glasses and start being more objective. Either contribute something constructive to the discussion, or just don’t bother.
Now that we are a year later, has anyone's opinion changed? Klopp has added the Champions League and Premier League trophies to his name. Does that move him above Pep if you were a Pep voter last time?
Pep's career thus far has been: Messi, inherit the treble winners, and assemble the most expensive suad in football history. He's obviously a talented manager but he's had loads of help.
Klopp's built Dortmund and Liverpool up with relatively limited funds.
This, Peps been given stuff on a plate, he was given a Champions league winning Bayern side & slowly messed it up.
Klopp at Dortmund alone wins that for me imo, but the unfortunate win in the CL this season (which lets be real, is what Pep wants at City), means Pep doesn't have a shout.
Give Pep the side Klopp inherited & 4 seasons to turn it into this, would he? I doubt it as good as he can be at times.
Nope, agree with everything I say there, bottlejob Fraudiola.
Klopp for me building a team up to be as good as his dortmund team is and you could easily make the case he made Liverpool the best in the world. Guardiola is an amazing manager but his reputation has been tarnished by awful CL performances since he left Barca. The bayern 5-0 loss to real madrid isnt spoke about enough he turned treble winners into a laughing stock. Last two seasons not playing de bruyne first leg against spurs, I know he was returning from injury but was fit enough for the previous league game, and playing a back 5 v Lyon Man Citys last two exits are on him. His away record in the CL is actually terrible he won 1 out of 9 away games in the knockout stage in charge of bayern.
Not gonna mention who’s better then both since that isn’t the topic,
I think klopp is much better than pep. This is coming from a united fan and I can’t stand Liverpool. Look at the team klopp was given at the beginning and look at it now, city is exactly where it was with mancini
I always said, that Barca team pep took over was raijkaards hard work and won multiple trophies, pep’s work shows in Ucl with BM and now city
Very even in the head to head still, but overall the consistency Pep brings has to edge it for me. Yet to see him have the kind of off season Klopp is prone to every few years.
Rated E For Everyone.
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Pep's career thus far has been: Messi, inherit the treble winners, and assemble the most expensive suad in football history. He's obviously a talented manager but he's had loads of help.
Klopp's built Dortmund and Liverpool up with relatively limited funds.
Pep: 7
Draw: 2
Klopp: 8
But what makes him better in your opinion? I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no justification in your post of why you think he's better.
The complete dominance all of his teams have/had.
He has won more and won better
to me, for example, neither could make man utd better with current squad so the argument of he needs to spend alot doesnt come into it
the main advantage both have is that they have a board that has full trust
Personally I think the answer is yes for both, but Klopp just edges it for me. Pep has an absolute brilliant mind and may be a touch better tactically than Klopp, but Klopp has that extra little something that I think every player in the world just appreciates.
That's what it comes down to for me. However, I disagree with you that it is yes for both. Like @Ahmer50x has already touched upon, Pep has been so, so blessed.
He started off very lucky with the players he had at Barcelona. If you look at the signings he made for Barcelona, none of them come even remotely close to having the impact that the players who were already there had (Zlatan, Villa, Alves, Fabregas, Sanchez, etc vs Messi, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, etc).
Then he moved to a team that had literally just won the treble and already had players like Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Neuer, Kroos, Alaba and Muller in the ranks. He added the likes of Vidal, Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and Kimmich to that squad.
Then he moved to City, who already had the likes of Kompany, Sterling, Aguero, D. Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, etc, and added a whole raft of players for an obscene amount to that with his virtually unlimited funds.
There's no evidence to suggest that he could do what Klopp did with Dortmund and Liverpool.
Edit: The fact Klopp has gotten us this close to City, considering the differences in their circumstances, is just outright ❤️❤️❤️❤️ mind-blowing to me.
This, Peps been given stuff on a plate, he was given a Champions league winning Bayern side & slowly messed it up.
Klopp at Dortmund alone wins that for me imo, but the unfortunate win in the CL this season (which lets be real, is what Pep wants at City), means Pep doesn't have a shout.
Give Pep the side Klopp inherited & 4 seasons to turn it into this, would he? I doubt it as good as he can be at times.
If Klopp won some more trophies then him. For now its even.
Yeah, I think Klopp's ability to motivate is at an alien level. People like to mock the stuff he comes out with, but time and time again, players who've played under him all say the same thing.
His words to the dressing room prior to the Barca game still gives me goosebumps. Something like "tonight is impossible, but because it's you guys, we have a chance" and "Try. If we can't do it, then let's fail in the most beautiful way".
The man has a way with words.
Wasn’t pep the one who brought busquets with him from the B team? Pep was also the one that moved Messi from the wing to a more CF position. Pep improved a lot of players he worked with tbh you only have to look at Sterling.
Alves was a brilliant signing by pep tbh and so was David Villa.
I’d say they’re tied tbh. Each have outstanding qualities that dwarf in comparison to the other tbh.
Messi and Sterling were always going to be as good as they are. Managers do improve players to an extent, but I do think that this can be overstated sometimes. The player actually has to be good enough to get to that level in the first place, otherwise, every single player under Pep/Klopp should be as good as the other, if it's down to the manager improving them as an individual player. There's a reason why Sterling is better than Mahrez, Salah is better than Shaqiri, VVD is better than Lovren and Messi is better than everyone. Natural talent. Brendan Rodgers was the manager that Suarez first exploded under, but I doubt anyone would attribute it to him.
But inheriting a team that is already full of them, compared to actually having to bring them in afterwards, is a different thing. Klopp edges that, imo.
Our strongest 11 is probably Alisson, Robertson, VVD, Matip. TAA, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Keita, Firmino, Salah and Mane.
Only one of them was already here. 2 if you include TAA.
To do that with his net spend...
Unreal.
Shut up.
I do really like you, but you really need to remove your United-tinted glasses and start being more objective. Either contribute something constructive to the discussion, or just don’t bother.
Nope, agree with everything I say there, bottlejob Fraudiola.
I think klopp is much better than pep. This is coming from a united fan and I can’t stand Liverpool. Look at the team klopp was given at the beginning and look at it now, city is exactly where it was with mancini
I always said, that Barca team pep took over was raijkaards hard work and won multiple trophies, pep’s work shows in Ucl with BM and now city
Any update on this @VVD4 ?
Gladly.
Pep: 10
Draw: 5
Klopp: 12
Very even in the head to head still, but overall the consistency Pep brings has to edge it for me. Yet to see him have the kind of off season Klopp is prone to every few years.