Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
hahaha nice to see I'm not the only one sitting there questioning that.
That was prob Maguire's best performance on the season
No doubt about that.
Rashford back on form too it would appear.
Ralf dropping them recently seems to have lit a fire.
I still wouldn't be looking to bring him back in immediately though imo. I think you still roll on with Lindelof and Varane.
Agree to disagree there obviously but you probably knew that
That's just been my view regardless of who we're discussing. I don't think one good performance should mean that you immediately take the spot over someone who's been consistently playing well and earned their spot. Especially considering the only reason that person wasn't out there was because they were with their family after their home was broken into.
Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
Even before it, we had done enough to feel like 1-0 to us was fair. With that chance, it would've been a crime for the score to show anything other than a United win.
Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
xG doesn't tell the whole story. It’s an overused stat, eye test >>> xG always.
False.
No it's not, eye test will always be superior.
The eye test more or less would back up what xG says, unless you need to go to Specsavers.
I actually do need new glasses soon, but my point wasn't that the xG was bad this game, just that it doesn't tell the whole story, and we should stop with the Americanisation of football before it goes too far.
Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
xG doesn't tell the whole story. It’s an overused stat, eye test >>> xG always.
False.
No it's not, eye test will always be superior.
The eye test more or less would back up what xG says, unless you need to go to Specsavers.
I actually do need new glasses soon, but my point wasn't that the xG was bad this game, just that it doesn't tell the whole story, and we should stop with the Americanisation of football before it goes too far.
Fun fact... XG stats is a model that came from Sportrec Solutions...which is based out of Germany, so I'm not sure what that has to do with "Americanisation of football".
And of course "xG" doesn't tell the WHOLE story... it's not supposed to... it's primarily supposed to show you the "expected goals" based on chances created and the likely hood of a goal from those chances.
There are plenty of other stats to look at to provide a picture of the whole story.
Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
xG doesn't tell the whole story. It’s an overused stat, eye test >>> xG always.
False.
No it's not, eye test will always be superior.
The eye test more or less would back up what xG says, unless you need to go to Specsavers.
I actually do need new glasses soon, but my point wasn't that the xG was bad this game, just that it doesn't tell the whole story, and we should stop with the Americanisation of football before it goes too far.
You're hatred of America is outstanding. Everything negative to you has to do with America like other countries didn't come up with statistics on their own.
But, does it account for a team having a top quality GK? Or teams that specifically set up to score from range. Not sure how it accounts for set pieces properly either?
For teams that love creating chances in open play (City, Liverpool, old Barca etc), i'm sure it's quite a useful stat. But it doesn't capture the whole story.
But, does it account for a team having a top quality GK? Or teams that specifically set up to score from range. Not sure how it accounts for set pieces properly either?
For teams that love creating chances in open play (City, Liverpool, old Barca etc), i'm sure it's quite a useful stat. But it doesn't capture the whole story.
As far as top quality GK... I think it's useful for telling that yes, because typically if you have a top quality GK or at least one that put in a quality performance, that team would have conceded a higher xG than actual G's conceded.
As far as teams setup to score from distance, that's where the "likelihood of that chance becoming a goal" factor of analyzing comes into play when determining xG.
Missed the match as I was at the in-laws all day. Came home and found a site to watch match recordings on. First thing it comes up with is "watch Man United 1-0 West Ham". Great, thanks. Well at least we won.
Huge win we might have just about deserved for how we controlled the match. Dalot was very good. Defensively, it's as quiet a day De Gea has had this year which is encouraging. Going forward there was a lack of quality. You'd could make a case to drop to whole front 4 against Boro and go Cavani up top with Martial, VDB and Rashford behind. Greenwood was so poor but at least he's working off the ball now.
xG doesn't tell the whole story. It’s an overused stat, eye test >>> xG always.
False.
No it's not, eye test will always be superior.
The eye test more or less would back up what xG says, unless you need to go to Specsavers.
I actually do need new glasses soon, but my point wasn't that the xG was bad this game, just that it doesn't tell the whole story, and we should stop with the Americanisation of football before it goes too far.
You're hatred of America is outstanding. Everything negative to you has to do with America like other countries didn't come up with statistics on their own.
But, does it account for a team having a top quality GK? Or teams that specifically set up to score from range. Not sure how it accounts for set pieces properly either?
For teams that love creating chances in open play (City, Liverpool, old Barca etc), i'm sure it's quite a useful stat. But it doesn't capture the whole story.
As far as top quality GK... I think it's useful for telling that yes, because typically if you have a top quality GK or at least one that put in a quality performance, that team would half conceded a higher xG than actual G's conceded.
As far as teams setup to score from distance, that's where the "likelihood of that chance becoming a goal" factor of analyzing comes into play when determining xG.
This is a few days old now but I'm bringing it up because of Rangnick's quote.
It seems like United are actually taking this director of football thing seriously. Murtough led the search and interview process that gave us Rangnick and now he seems to be the one handling transfers. We'll see how that plays out with a permanent manager rather than an interim in a few months, but for now, it's nice to see.
I think it's worth noting with Pep leaving City in 2023, they'll be sounding out his replacement let's say they go for a Ten Hag they'll be asking him to stay at Ajax one more season and rejecting United.
Same applies for whoever they go for, I think you'll probably get Poch
i love POCH but i really want Ten hag i feel he will really Put this club back to glory days if he is backed (he will need to make changes in the team)
It depends on where they play him and the competition they have there. They already have Ocampos and Gomez on the wing and just signed Corona. Idk where they stand on their ST situation.
It'll be interesting to see. I do think he'd do well in the league in general though if he's properly motivated.
"Manchester United have agreed to loan Anthony Martial to Sevilla for the rest of the season, with the Spanish club paying a fee of about €6m (£5m) and covering the forward’s £150,000-a-week salary." -Fabrizio Romano, The Guardian
"Newcastle are waiting to hear if United will sanction a six-month loan move for Lingard. They are willing to pay a fee of more than £5 million to get the deal done but are yet to get the green light from Old Trafford." -Rob Dawson, ESPN
Add on the 25m+add ons we got off Leeds for Dan James
...Are we actually getting good at negotiating outgoings?
Martial is completely out the picture so £5m and £150k/week saved for 5 months is quite good. Essentially £8m for a player that you won't miss whatsoever.
Lingard could come off the bench and make an impact but there is no point keeping him and VDB, I'd be trying to get more out of Newcastle than £5m though unless it's just a loan with no guarantee of keeping him.
Martial is completely out the picture so £5m and £150k/week saved for 5 months is quite good. Essentially £8m for a player that you won't miss whatsoever.
Lingard could come off the bench and make an impact but there is no point keeping him and VDB, I'd be trying to get more out of Newcastle than £5m though unless it's just a loan with no guarantee of keeping him.
Newcastle seem open to either a loan for around 5m or a buy for 10m-ish.
Issue is more than Jesse doesn't want to sign on with Newcastle for more than 6 months because of the relegation risk so it's probably a loan.
Rated E For Everyone.
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The eye test more or less would back up what xG says, unless you need to go to Specsavers.
That's just been my view regardless of who we're discussing. I don't think one good performance should mean that you immediately take the spot over someone who's been consistently playing well and earned their spot. Especially considering the only reason that person wasn't out there was because they were with their family after their home was broken into.
Even with the "eye test", that XG is pretty accurate on todays game. Their best chance came from the corner which they put wide.
Even before it, we had done enough to feel like 1-0 to us was fair. With that chance, it would've been a crime for the score to show anything other than a United win.
I actually do need new glasses soon, but my point wasn't that the xG was bad this game, just that it doesn't tell the whole story, and we should stop with the Americanisation of football before it goes too far.
Fun fact... XG stats is a model that came from Sportrec Solutions...which is based out of Germany, so I'm not sure what that has to do with "Americanisation of football".
And of course "xG" doesn't tell the WHOLE story... it's not supposed to... it's primarily supposed to show you the "expected goals" based on chances created and the likely hood of a goal from those chances.
There are plenty of other stats to look at to provide a picture of the whole story.
You're hatred of America is outstanding.
But, does it account for a team having a top quality GK? Or teams that specifically set up to score from range. Not sure how it accounts for set pieces properly either?
For teams that love creating chances in open play (City, Liverpool, old Barca etc), i'm sure it's quite a useful stat. But it doesn't capture the whole story.
As far as top quality GK... I think it's useful for telling that yes, because typically if you have a top quality GK or at least one that put in a quality performance, that team would have conceded a higher xG than actual G's conceded.
As far as teams setup to score from distance, that's where the "likelihood of that chance becoming a goal" factor of analyzing comes into play when determining xG.
Want another? It's not a good country
This.
This is a few days old now but I'm bringing it up because of Rangnick's quote.
It seems like United are actually taking this director of football thing seriously. Murtough led the search and interview process that gave us Rangnick and now he seems to be the one handling transfers. We'll see how that plays out with a permanent manager rather than an interim in a few months, but for now, it's nice to see.
*Director of Football intensifies*
Same applies for whoever they go for, I think you'll probably get Poch
Good United ITK
whick leaves us with just Mcfred and pogba
Can only hope the outgoings enable a midfield signing.
It'll be interesting to see. I do think he'd do well in the league in general though if he's properly motivated.
"Newcastle are waiting to hear if United will sanction a six-month loan move for Lingard. They are willing to pay a fee of more than £5 million to get the deal done but are yet to get the green light from Old Trafford." -Rob Dawson, ESPN
Add on the 25m+add ons we got off Leeds for Dan James
...Are we actually getting good at negotiating outgoings?
We don't need him to be good forever though. Just have a solid few months to fool someone into paying a good fee.
Lingard could come off the bench and make an impact but there is no point keeping him and VDB, I'd be trying to get more out of Newcastle than £5m though unless it's just a loan with no guarantee of keeping him.
Newcastle seem open to either a loan for around 5m or a buy for 10m-ish.
Issue is more than Jesse doesn't want to sign on with Newcastle for more than 6 months because of the relegation risk so it's probably a loan.