I hope the final build is slow!

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  • Thefranchise92
    3724 posts National Call-Up
    People wont be happy till you cant even sprint anymore just fast walk or jog.. they need all the time in the world to process what they're doing next
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    People wont be happy till you cant even sprint anymore just fast walk or jog.. they need all the time in the world to process what they're doing next

    No people just need to show some skill instead of letting the game assists them. Go to buttom of page 4 in this thread and you’ll see why...
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.
  • forearms
    4816 posts National Call-Up
    Orison wrote: »
    forearms wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    Slower gameplay with bad dribbling makes drop back op (and makes time wasting very easy).

    Screw realism in a game with 6min halfs. Absolutely no need to wish for a borefest of a game in which you can build up one attack for 15 ingame mins with 45 passes thinking you are prime barca.

    It ruins the skillgap. Skillgap shouldn’t be to "understand football" it should be in timing and decision making and the more time you have the more people can get these right and therefore the skillgap is smaller.

    Ridiculous comment.

    Absolutely ridiculous.



    One major question from that though:
    Why should the skill gap be in timing when the majority have delay, or server issues? If it's down to timing, its heavily favoring the player with a superior connection. Connection should absolutely not be the defining attribute that influences results.

    Same could be said for slow gameplay. Favors the tragic player who can still react just fine, his reactions are slow anyways. But the good player can't attack properly, because he tries to get through a wall of 10 defenders who just sit there and the game isn't fast enough to split them open.

    Even the fastest version of Fifa isn't fast enough for you to be at a huge disadvantage in terms of con. People are just better than you. I had enough people message me complaining about con hindering them that I know most of it is just a lame excuse. These people make so many mistakes they could have the greatest con in the world and would still be Gold 2, because they aren't great at the game.

    You can have your slow gameplay in meaningless modes, but keep it away from competitive modes in which there should be an actual skill gap while the games are fun to watch at the same time to attract a wider audience.

    Then keep assisted controls away from competitive modes too. There should be no assisted controls in any competition. No contain either. Sound good? Cool.
  • hooligan87
    240 posts Sunday League Hero
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    Stop writing nonsense! This is really angry! You don't understand elementary things! Are you sure your pros will be in the top 100 on manual control? I'll tell you - they almost all will fly to the bottom!
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited August 27
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is the problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?

    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Assists ain't going anywhere, because EA wouldn't sell any games without them. So you gotta ask yourself how to improve the game within certain boundaries.

    Even if you tried to argue for just qualifiers and tournaments to be played with manual controls it wouldn't work. People wouldn't watch the tournaments, because manual controls are so different from what the casuals are playing and in qualifiers you are playing on p2p connection against people from Russia. Good luck trying to execute manual passing and shooting while the game lags all over the place.
  • Thefranchise92
    3724 posts National Call-Up
    I think the answer about the players being better than you now currently is already answered. Every game whether assisted or not has everyone in the same boat, we all have to deal with finesse and first time etc.. trust those guys were still good at the top. Changing the parameters will just leave you in the same spot as they adapt
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    Orison wrote: »
    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Hahaha, that was actually a good one. I’ll take that as a yes...

    You actually do understand how assisted you are, and the fact that you would be in deep, deep trouble if you were to outsmart your opponent, by any other playstyle than fast and assisted ping pong passing followed by another assisted and broken first time shot from outside the box.

    That troll face says it all, but you keep denying it nonetheless.

    Seriously Orison, wouldn’t you feel just a little more proud if you knew you actually did good after winning a game in FIFA, without having EA to hold your hand?

    Just a tiny bit more proud? Come on!

  • forearms
    4816 posts National Call-Up
    Orison wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?

    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Assists ain't going anywhere, because EA wouldn't sell any games without them. So you gotta ask yourself how to improve the game within certain boundaries.

    Even if you tried to argue for just qualifiers and tournaments to be played with manual controls it wouldn't work. People wouldn't watch the tournaments, because manual controls are so different from what the casuals are playing and in qualifiers you are playing on p2p connection against people from Russia. Good luck trying to execute manual passing and shooting while the game lags all over the place.

    You have really poor logic man.

    People wont watch tournaments? They're the best players. People want to watch the best. Doesnt matter if its football, bowling, poker, cornhole championships, or eSports. Pro golfers play under much stricter rules, and different dimensions than casuals. People still flock to pro events and get huge ratings.

    Lag? Its equally an issue either way. The game already favors the player with the better connection. Now you're worried about lag?

    Just call it like it is. You dont want to learn how to play manually.
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    forearms wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?

    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Assists ain't going anywhere, because EA wouldn't sell any games without them. So you gotta ask yourself how to improve the game within certain boundaries.

    Even if you tried to argue for just qualifiers and tournaments to be played with manual controls it wouldn't work. People wouldn't watch the tournaments, because manual controls are so different from what the casuals are playing and in qualifiers you are playing on p2p connection against people from Russia. Good luck trying to execute manual passing and shooting while the game lags all over the place.

    You have really poor logic man.

    People wont watch tournaments? They're the best players. People want to watch the best. Doesnt matter if its football, bowling, poker, cornhole championships, or eSports. Pro golfers play under much stricter rules, and different dimensions than casuals. People still flock to pro events and get huge ratings.

    Lag? Its equally an issue either way. The game already favors the player with the better connection. Now you're worried about lag?

    Just call it like it is. You dont want to learn how to play manually.

    It's p2p. It doesn't favor anyone. It just lags.

    And no so far people aren't really interested in watching unless they can get rewards for it. They are put off by something as simple as the tournament accs having all players on it. Apparently it takes no skill to play with these squads and the casual can't relate to these pay2win teams. And that's not even a gameplay mechanic yet.

    But yeah under current circumstances I don't want to play with manual controls. Ofc I would learn it if it either was mandatory or would provide an advantage over assisted controls. However that will never be a thing until we get major engine and AI improvements.
  • forearms
    4816 posts National Call-Up
    Orison wrote: »
    forearms wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?

    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Assists ain't going anywhere, because EA wouldn't sell any games without them. So you gotta ask yourself how to improve the game within certain boundaries.

    Even if you tried to argue for just qualifiers and tournaments to be played with manual controls it wouldn't work. People wouldn't watch the tournaments, because manual controls are so different from what the casuals are playing and in qualifiers you are playing on p2p connection against people from Russia. Good luck trying to execute manual passing and shooting while the game lags all over the place.

    You have really poor logic man.

    People wont watch tournaments? They're the best players. People want to watch the best. Doesnt matter if its football, bowling, poker, cornhole championships, or eSports. Pro golfers play under much stricter rules, and different dimensions than casuals. People still flock to pro events and get huge ratings.

    Lag? Its equally an issue either way. The game already favors the player with the better connection. Now you're worried about lag?

    Just call it like it is. You dont want to learn how to play manually.

    It's p2p. It doesn't favor anyone. It just lags.

    And no so far people aren't really interested in watching unless they can get rewards for it. They are put off by something as simple as the tournament accs having all players on it. Apparently it takes no skill to play with these squads and the casual can't relate to these pay2win teams. And that's not even a gameplay mechanic yet.

    But yeah under current circumstances I don't want to play with manual controls. Ofc I would learn it if it either was mandatory or would provide an advantage over assisted controls. However that will never be a thing until we get major engine and AI improvements.

    The tournaments are still watched. 245k people watched the eWorld Cup. I personally dont watch the events as most games look identical, including the squads they are playing with. I would find it more interesting if they drafted them, but I'm sure that's just my personal belief.

    I agree that the engine needs to go. Frostbite has been horrible for this franchise.

    No matter how I say it, I will always believe that all competitive modes should be full manual. I pointed it out now many times how many things the CPU decides for the users. We need much less AI intervention.
  • Finesse_4days
    7228 posts Big Money Move
    cdbuck26 wrote: »
    The clear thing is that assisted controls need to go in order for this game to progress in the direction of a real football simulation

    Fifa isn't a simulation though is it ? Pes is closer to a simulation but is still very unrealistic compared to actual football matches.


  • Diggy
    13631 posts Has That Special Something
    forearms wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    forearms wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    Orison wrote: »
    If there is no skill involved how do the same people get Elite and top 100?

    Ofc there is skill involved lol. Most of us would double digit your son with relative ease unless he's a fut addict already and plays loads of games.

    @Orison please take your time and read the buttom of page 4. I want you to answer that question about how assisted passing is problem with all this, and not nessesary the gameplay speed.

    Do you understand what I’m talking about when I compare the assists of passing and a standing tackle?

    You see the problem?

    No, because I can hold my RB button and call for a 2nd men who then mirrors most movements of my opponent without me doing anything :trollface:

    Assists ain't going anywhere, because EA wouldn't sell any games without them. So you gotta ask yourself how to improve the game within certain boundaries.

    Even if you tried to argue for just qualifiers and tournaments to be played with manual controls it wouldn't work. People wouldn't watch the tournaments, because manual controls are so different from what the casuals are playing and in qualifiers you are playing on p2p connection against people from Russia. Good luck trying to execute manual passing and shooting while the game lags all over the place.

    You have really poor logic man.

    People wont watch tournaments? They're the best players. People want to watch the best. Doesnt matter if its football, bowling, poker, cornhole championships, or eSports. Pro golfers play under much stricter rules, and different dimensions than casuals. People still flock to pro events and get huge ratings.

    Lag? Its equally an issue either way. The game already favors the player with the better connection. Now you're worried about lag?

    Just call it like it is. You dont want to learn how to play manually.

    It's p2p. It doesn't favor anyone. It just lags.

    And no so far people aren't really interested in watching unless they can get rewards for it. They are put off by something as simple as the tournament accs having all players on it. Apparently it takes no skill to play with these squads and the casual can't relate to these pay2win teams. And that's not even a gameplay mechanic yet.

    But yeah under current circumstances I don't want to play with manual controls. Ofc I would learn it if it either was mandatory or would provide an advantage over assisted controls. However that will never be a thing until we get major engine and AI improvements.

    The tournaments are still watched. 245k people watched the eWorld Cup. I personally dont watch the events as most games look identical, including the squads they are playing with. I would find it more interesting if they drafted them, but I'm sure that's just my personal belief.

    I agree that the engine needs to go. Frostbite has been horrible for this franchise.

    No matter how I say it, I will always believe that all competitive modes should be full manual. I pointed it out now many times how many things the CPU decides for the users. We need much less AI intervention.

    I’m afraid Orison is right the assists are here for good for the less skilled players

    We just have to face EA won’t make a skill based game again

    I’ve accepted it
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    Diggy wrote: »
    I’m afraid Orison is right the assists are here for good for the less skilled players

    We just have to face EA won’t make a skill based game again

    I’ve accepted it

    @Diggy I think you misunderstood what he said. Actually it’s the opposite. @Orison loves assists and can’t play fifa without them. Because he can’t pass as fast and accurate with manual controls or even semi-assisted controls.

    Diggy you got it all turned around. Orison IS the less skilled player that needs the assists.

    How did you miss the 1000 posts I’ve tried to convince him to realise assists is for the less skilled players. He won’t accept it. None of the frantic ping pong passers will.
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Wondering how it feels for @Benja190782 to never git gud, because he gets ruined by worse players :trollface:
  • Diggy
    13631 posts Has That Special Something
    Diggy wrote: »
    I’m afraid Orison is right the assists are here for good for the less skilled players

    We just have to face EA won’t make a skill based game again

    I’ve accepted it

    @Diggy I think you misunderstood what he said. Actually it’s the opposite. @Orison loves assists and can’t play fifa without them. Because he can’t pass as fast and accurate with manual controls or even semi-assisted controls.

    Diggy you got it all turned around. Orison IS the less skilled player that needs the assists.

    How did you miss the 1000 posts I’ve tried to convince him to realise assists is for the less skilled players. He won’t accept it. None of the frantic ping pong passers will.

    It doesn’t matter what you I or Orison thinks it’s the EA coffers that matter & a difficult game don’t sell

    AI assists are here to stay let’s hope next gen it will be different but I highly doubt it will be
  • Thefranchise92
    3724 posts National Call-Up
    Diggy wrote: »
    I’m afraid Orison is right the assists are here for good for the less skilled players

    We just have to face EA won’t make a skill based game again

    I’ve accepted it

    @Diggy I think you misunderstood what he said. Actually it’s the opposite. @Orison loves assists and can’t play fifa without them. Because he can’t pass as fast and accurate with manual controls or even semi-assisted controls.

    Diggy you got it all turned around. Orison IS the less skilled player that needs the assists.

    How did you miss the 1000 posts I’ve tried to convince him to realise assists is for the less skilled players. He won’t accept it. None of the frantic ping pong passers will.

    I dont get it. If your so good and would be even with manual controls. Why arent you now? Surely everyone has the same assists so whats your excuse there? Do you think the rng will be less with manual controls? Its not like your playing manual( if you are good for you but its not by force) and your opponents are playing assistedm everyone is playing assisted. so i dont get the excuse
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Diggy wrote: »
    I’m afraid Orison is right the assists are here for good for the less skilled players

    We just have to face EA won’t make a skill based game again

    I’ve accepted it

    @Diggy I think you misunderstood what he said. Actually it’s the opposite. @Orison loves assists and can’t play fifa without them. Because he can’t pass as fast and accurate with manual controls or even semi-assisted controls.

    Diggy you got it all turned around. Orison IS the less skilled player that needs the assists.

    How did you miss the 1000 posts I’ve tried to convince him to realise assists is for the less skilled players. He won’t accept it. None of the frantic ping pong passers will.

    I dont get it. If your so good and would be even with manual controls. Why arent you now? Surely everyone has the same assists so whats your excuse there? Do you think the rng will be less with manual controls? Its not like your playing manual( if you are good for you but its not by force) and your opponents are playing assistedm everyone is playing assisted. so i dont get the excuse

    I've seen his name on the champs channel once (obviously not because he made it to (regional) top 100, but because he played someone who did). Pretty sure he plays with assisted controls as well. He made loads of blind 180° passes iirc.
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    Orison wrote: »
    Wondering how it feels for @Benja190782 to never git gud, because he gets ruined by worse players :trollface:

    Wondering how it feels for @Orison to never git gud at passing or shooting because he lets the assists play the game for him. I mean how pathetic is that really.

    Quick reactions my ****, you don’t even need quick reactions to ping pong pass through an entire team. It’s just spam the buttons and let the game do it’s thing.

    Anybody can play anti-football and get rewarded for it in fifa. Nothing to be proud about. Because you didn’t control the inputs. EA will always hold your hand as an assisted noob.
  • MikeM24
    36 posts Last Pick at the Park
    To me there's always inevitably going to be the balancing act between the people who play FIFA as a game in it's own right, and the other group who want to play a "football simulation".

    As the competitive FIFA play is what rakes in the cash, then you have to say that's what EA will prioritise. As a longtime fan of FIFA from 1993 on the MegaDrive and having seen the whole game evolve, I class myself in the "simulation" camp. But if you've got a licence to print money by people collecting player cards in order to compete against each other - then you have to hold your hands up and realize that's who EA are going to prioritize. Hence you'll see the core gameplay more geared towards high speed - "skill" play, and not the slower more technical simulation that FIFA used to be.
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Orison wrote: »
    Wondering how it feels for @Benja190782 to never git gud, because he gets ruined by worse players :trollface:

    Wondering how it feels for @Orison to never git gud at passing or shooting because he lets the assists play the game for him. I mean how pathetic is that really.

    Quick reactions my ****, you don’t even need quick reactions to ping pong pass through an entire team. It’s just spam the buttons and let the game do it’s thing.

    Anybody can play anti-football and get rewarded for it in fifa. Nothing to be proud about. Because you didn’t control the inputs. EA will always hold your hand as an assisted noob.

    Feels good tbf. Winning is always better than losing.
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited August 28
    I dont get it. If your so good and would be even with manual controls. Why arent you now? Surely everyone has the same assists so whats your excuse there?

    @Thefranchise92 How on earth can you not understand that every single fifa player in this World is assisted with passing, shooting, and crossing. (crossing is on semi-assisted tho)
    Which means that every input from you as a player is being corrected in therms of accuracy and power to HELP you hit your target, whether it’s a goal or a teammate.

    EVERYTHING is assisted, so it takes absolutely NO skill what so ever from you as a fifa player. You are not in control of anything. You simply just spam the passing button as fast as you can, and it doesn’t matter how accurate you are. The assists will always help you.

    While Orison and many other people are proudly smashing the button trying to exploit the passing mechanics as much as possible, and simply ping pong the ball from defence to attack in less than 3 seconds. Just to do another exploit as the 180 degree blind first time shot is done.

    I’m sitting on the other side and thinking, you wouldn’t be able to do that if the game didn’t assisted you with that passing and shooting. It doesn’t take skills to do what these people are doing. It takes knowledge of how to exploit the mechanics yes. But we all know with the help from youtube.

    So what this is all about is. I’m playing football in a football game, while others like Orison are trying to get the most out of the exploits and is focused on everything else but football.

    What makes me frustrated about this is, I’m not trying to do exploits, I’m trying to play football. Meanwhile Orison and the other frantic ping pong passers are rewarded for doing as much exploits as possible and as quickly as possible.

    How on earth is this fair by any means?

    If we can’t play football and get rewarded for it, what are we doing then?

    Take the assists off these less skilled players and watch them fall all the way down to division 10.
    They can’t figure out how to outsmart their opponents, by other things than exploits.

    Tell them about vision/composure, tactical awareness as a fifa player and they simply won’t understand it.
  • Crazy Creaky Jr
    2740 posts Fans' Favourite
    Its a game
    It should be fun
    We aint playing chess here
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Its a game
    It should be fun
    We aint playing chess here

    The guy would be horrible at chess tbf. Every opponent and every game of chess is a bit different meanwhile this guy wouldn't want to adapt to what's in front of him and wouldn't be happy about anything his opponent would do. He would just sit there and moan about the lack of skill on using the queen, because she could go in too many directions. The real skill should be to manually move your pawns.
  • Benja190782
    1418 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited August 28
    Orison wrote: »
    Feels good tbf. Winning is always better than losing.

    The only problem is, you didn’t win.

    EA did as they were playing the game for you.

    Take away the assists, so you won’t be able to exploit broken game mechanics like ping pong passing and you are done. Completely done.
    You said yourself you can’t brake a defence down even on assisted passing, if the opponent sits back. Imagine how bad you would be if you were to control every exact input yourself?

    It’s like you are playing a racing game against me with Stability Control, and Traction Control turned on. Then you come proudly over to me after the race to tell me how bad I am, only to realise my car didn’t have Stability Control and Traction Control turned on. I was racing with pure skills while you needed the assists to win.

    Sure it’s something to be proud about. LOOOL!

    Get a grip man. Learn to play football.
  • Orison
    48634 posts FIFA Cover Star
    Orison wrote: »
    Feels good tbf. Winning is always better than losing.

    The only problem is, you didn’t win.

    EA did as they were playing the game for you.

    Take away the assists, so you won’t be able to exploit broken game mechanics like ping pong passing and you are done. Completely done.
    You said yourself you can’t brake a defence down even on assisted passing, if the opponent sits back. Imagine how bad you would be if you were to control every exact input yourself?

    It’s like you are playing a racing game against me with Stability Control, and Traction Control turned on. Then you come proudly over to me after the race to tell me how bad I am, only to realise my car didn’t have Stability Control and Traction Control turned on. I was racing with pure skills while you needed the assists to win.

    Sure it’s something to be proud about. LOOOL!

    Get a grip man. Learn to play football.

    But you are playing on assisted as well. It's like when everybody got traction control on and you win the race.

    Your logic is flawed, because nobody is using manual controls in Fifa.
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