But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Ahh man, I'd love that Park Ji-Sung card, fyi I'm not South Korean nor a Man Utd fan just in case people start calling me a biased Korean Utd fan
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
I'm legit surprised you've almost hit 2700 posts without Celtic fans trying to get you banned for that username btw
I would argue that Kluivert at his best was better than Shearer at his, but Shearer maintained a higher standard throughout his career.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
I'm legit surprised you've almost hit 2700 posts without Celtic fans trying to get you banned for that username btw
I would argue that Kluivert at his best was better than Shearer at his, but Shearer maintained a higher standard throughout his career.
It's my FUT club name. Nothing contentious in it.. It's simply a date and a province in Ireland.
Kluivert flopped at Milan for some reason..I never rated him to be honest.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
Woah, woah... you leave the best poster on this forum alone, or there will be problems!
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
Woah, woah... you leave the best poster on this forum alone, or there will be problems!
Next thing will be arguments for an icon Ray Card.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
I'm legit surprised you've almost hit 2700 posts without Celtic fans trying to get you banned for that username btw
I would argue that Kluivert at his best was better than Shearer at his, but Shearer maintained a higher standard throughout his career.
It's my FUT club name. Nothing contentious in it.. It's simply a date and a province in Ireland.
Kluivert flopped at Milan for some reason..I never rated him to be honest.
I'm not passing judgement either way. I just know how Celtic fans can get
He failed that year but it was a bit of a transition year as Baresi had retired and none of the players really performed (didn't they finish mid table that year?)
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
Personally I don't think any of the US players should be considered icons/legends.. Although I also feel alot of older players shoukd be included at the expense of players like Okacha etc.. Playwrs like Garrincha or Gianni Rivera,Gert Muller etc.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
I think it’s fair to take a guess, in light of your previous comments, that if you were quite young during a period of time of your leagues existence that you might have erroneous assumptions about your league during that time.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
Personally I don't think any of the US players should be considered icons/legends.. Although I also feel alot of older players shoukd be included at the expense of players like Okacha etc.. Playwrs like Garrincha or Gianni Rivera,Gert Muller etc.
I agree with Okocha actually, he keeps being used as the standard of level, to justify other icons. But yeah he probably isn't worthy.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
Woah, woah... you leave the best poster on this forum alone, or there will be problems!
Next thing will be arguments for an icon Ray Card.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
I would say that I'm actually impartial here, I'm not American, I don't particularly like the MLS (I think it's the retirement home for top players, no offense Ray), I don't support any of the teams that the players mentioned played for so I don't understand how I can be biased? Unless you have a different definition for bias?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
Woah, woah... you leave the best poster on this forum alone, or there will be problems!
Next thing will be arguments for an icon Ray Card.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
I would say that I'm actually impartial here, I'm not American, I don't particularly like the MLS (I think it's the retirement home for top players, no offense Ray), I don't support any of the teams that the players mentioned played for so I don't understand how I can be biased? Unless you have a different definition for bias?
Oo Wazza is on his way now to hit you with his walker!
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
No problem
I think it’s fair to take a guess, in light of your previous comments, that if you were quite young during a period of time of your leagues existence that you might have erroneous assumptions about your league during that time.
I've actually not defended or bigged up the PL tbf. There are PL icons, Okocha for example, who i was surprised was added as an icon.
There is obviously no set criteria for icons but i'd dare to say that 90-95% of them are players who have won WCs, champions league/european cup or won titles in a major league. Serie A, Prem, La liga, bundesliga ect. However there are a couple of anomalies, Okocha, Nakata.
I personally think theyre adding too much, and actually there is probably a good chance you'll see an American icon next year, with the way its goimg
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
I would say that I'm actually impartial here, I'm not American, I don't particularly like the MLS (I think it's the retirement home for top players, no offense Ray), I don't support any of the teams that the players mentioned played for so I don't understand how I can be biased? Unless you have a different definition for bias?
Oo Wazza is on his way now to hit you with his walker!
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
I'm legit surprised you've almost hit 2700 posts without Celtic fans trying to get you banned for that username btw
I would argue that Kluivert at his best was better than Shearer at his, but Shearer maintained a higher standard throughout his career.
It's my FUT club name. Nothing contentious in it.. It's simply a date and a province in Ireland.
Kluivert flopped at Milan for some reason..I never rated him to be honest.
I'm not passing judgement either way. I just know how Celtic fans can get
He failed that year but it was a bit of a transition year as Baresi had retired and none of the players really performed (didn't they finish mid table that year?)
We had a poor couple of years after Capello left and then returned before being sacked and a few players retired or left.
Anyone could have stood out as a good striker in the Ajax team Kluivert played in.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ****. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
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All time top scorer in the greatest league in the world, whilst not even playing for a giant club.
Except it wasn't the greatest league at the time.
What are those reasons? That the quality of American-based players on the global scale is not high enough to warrant Icon status?
As has been posted, many of the current Icons (Nakata, Hernandez, even Okocha, Campbell, etc.) were never near the top of their position in the world. They are still iconic in one way or another, to millions of respective fans. Players like Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafa Marquez, Magico Gonzalez, Park Ji-Sung, etc. all fit a similar description. They are a different kind of Icon, but they are still Icons.
Ahh man, I'd love that Park Ji-Sung card, fyi I'm not South Korean nor a Man Utd fan just in case people start calling me a biased Korean Utd fan
You must be talking about Kevin Campbell, not Sol
Shearer was a far better striker than Kluivert. Seedorf is rated as a midfielder.
Sol Campbell, the best center back in the best team in the premier league era?
Was never near the top defender in the world?
Oki
Serie A was the top league whilst Shearer was playing it's only the last 10 years probably that the BPL has been regarded as the best league in the world for it's playstyle.
Tbf @SebastienEngelhart and @Gooner93 are probably quite young judging from Englehart’s comments and gooner’s username.
I'm legit surprised you've almost hit 2700 posts without Celtic fans trying to get you banned for that username btw
I would argue that Kluivert at his best was better than Shearer at his, but Shearer maintained a higher standard throughout his career.
That's the problem with debates like this. People have different levels of knowledge.
I've been watching football from Italia 90. I've supported AC Milan from a similar time frame yet come from the UK so I've watched both Italian and English football weekly for the past 28 years.
Tbf Ray has nothing left to say, other than aim personal comments at people and judge them by their username.
I'd assume Rays intellect is low
It's my FUT club name. Nothing contentious in it.. It's simply a date and a province in Ireland.
Kluivert flopped at Milan for some reason..I never rated him to be honest.
Woah, woah... you leave the best poster on this forum alone, or there will be problems!
It's not really down to knowledge, it's quite clear that there are American or MLS fans who think that their favourite players are icon worthy. Its called being biased. Like now theres a guy in here with Ajax in his username, bringing up arguments about Ajax players. It's just natural that people will be biased towards their players.
Next thing will be arguments for an icon Ray Card.
I'm not passing judgement either way. I just know how Celtic fans can get
He failed that year but it was a bit of a transition year as Baresi had retired and none of the players really performed (didn't they finish mid table that year?)
Personally I don't think any of the US players should be considered icons/legends.. Although I also feel alot of older players shoukd be included at the expense of players like Okacha etc.. Playwrs like Garrincha or Gianni Rivera,Gert Muller etc.
I think it’s fair to take a guess, in light of your previous comments, that if you were quite young during a period of time of your leagues existence that you might have erroneous assumptions about your league during that time.
I agree with Okocha actually, he keeps being used as the standard of level, to justify other icons. But yeah he probably isn't worthy.
Now that's something we can agree on
‘Nuff said lol
I would say that I'm actually impartial here, I'm not American, I don't particularly like the MLS (I think it's the retirement home for top players, no offense Ray), I don't support any of the teams that the players mentioned played for so I don't understand how I can be biased? Unless you have a different definition for bias?
Here here
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I've actually not defended or bigged up the PL tbf. There are PL icons, Okocha for example, who i was surprised was added as an icon.
There is obviously no set criteria for icons but i'd dare to say that 90-95% of them are players who have won WCs, champions league/european cup or won titles in a major league. Serie A, Prem, La liga, bundesliga ect. However there are a couple of anomalies, Okocha, Nakata.
I personally think theyre adding too much, and actually there is probably a good chance you'll see an American icon next year, with the way its goimg
You can't deny the truth Ray
We had a poor couple of years after Capello left and then returned before being sacked and a few players retired or left.
Anyone could have stood out as a good striker in the Ajax team Kluivert played in.
Well then i proved my own point haha