Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.
Oh man, you're lack of understanding is hurting my brain, I can try talking Yoda to you if that'd help you understand better?
Edit : FYI I'm not American or an MLS fan, I'm mote of a global football fan who watches more and understands more than just European football
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.
Oh man, you're lack of understanding is hurting my brain, I can try talking Yoda to you if that'd help you understand better?
It would make more sense than claiming Bocanegra and Kacey Keller are icon worthy
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.
Oh man, you're lack of understanding is hurting my brain, I can try talking Yoda to you if that'd help you understand better?
It would make more sense than claiming Bocanegra and Kacey Keller are icon worthy
If they start adding those players as icons, soon there will be more icons than standard gold cards
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.
Oh man, you're lack of understanding is hurting my brain, I can try talking Yoda to you if that'd help you understand better?
It would make more sense than claiming Bocanegra and Kacey Keller are icon worthy
If they start adding those players as icons, soon there will be more icons than standard gold cards
They were just examples of good American players who played at a top level, there are others like Claudio Reyna, Alexi Lalas and Landon Donovan who have already had a mention, but there are others such as Brad Friedel, Brian McBride and Carlos Bocanegra, they may not have been the best players to have ever played or be anywhere Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Gullit etc but these were Iconic players who increased the popularity of the sport in America!
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
The irony of this
I'm guessing you have a different definition of irony too then?
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
The irony of this
I'm guessing you have a different definition of irony too then?
You're saying that american icons need to be in the game because they're iconic to you. And telling me to look outside of my own bubble. Thats irony
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
The irony of this
I'm guessing you have a different definition of irony too then?
You're saying that american icons need to be in the game because they're iconic to you. Are telling me to look outside of my own bubble. Thats irony
I know you’re just trolling but you’re engaging in a stupid logical fallacy. No one is saying that Europeans shouldn’t have icons. I didn’t watch Sol Campbell or Franco Baresi on tv as a kid, but I have no problem with them being labeled as icons. I’m guessing that I would be able to count the number of people in North America who knew Litmanens name outside of fut on my two hands. That’s ok. The point that you’re casually ignoring is that you are employing a definition of icon that if applied by other continents would eliminate most of the icons in fut 19.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, and by that I mean players that I personally watch on the television at home
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
The irony of this
I'm guessing you have a different definition of irony too then?
You're saying that american icons need to be in the game because they're iconic to you. Are telling me to look outside of my own bubble. Thats irony
I know you’re just trolling but you’re engaging in a stupid logical fallacy. No one is saying that Europeans shouldn’t have icons. I didn’t watch Sol Campbell or Franco Baresi on tv as a kid, but I have no problem with them being labeled as icons. I’m guessing that I would be able to count the number of people in North America who knew Litmanens name outside of fut on my two hands. That’s ok. The point that you’re casually ignoring is that you are employing a definition of icon that if applied by other continents would eliminate most of the icons in fut 19.
The thing is YOU might not have watched them. But a hell of a lot of people have. More so than American soccer
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It was actually Parma where he gained his reputation at the time Serie A was the best in Europe.
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
Loooooool what rating would you give a prime Carlos Bocanegra, Brian McBride or Kasey Keller???!!!!!!!!
Typical yanks want it all about them. Poor FOOTBALLING nation, not soccer. Stick to baseball.
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Give it up mate, they just don't get the beautiful game
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
Loooooool what rating would you give a prime Carlos Bocanegra, Brian McBride or Kasey Keller???!!!!!!!!
Typical yanks want it all about them. Poor FOOTBALLING nation, not soccer. Stick to baseball.
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Give it up mate, they just don't get the beautiful game
<<insert “that’s bait” GIF>> cba to actually find the GIF bc it would be a waste of effort for a poor troll.
FYI for everyone who assumes I'm a 'yank', I'm not, I'm from South London.
Just coz I think some US players deserve an Icon card for helping to increase the popularity in a country dominated by at least 4 other giant sports doesn't make me a biased American.
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Give it up mate, they just don't get the beautiful game
<<insert “that’s bait” GIF>> cba to actually find the GIF bc it would be a waste of effort for a poor troll.
I'm with you Ray, I'm done replying to this thread, it's been taken over by people who think Icons should be Balon D'or, CL or WC winners who are only seen on UK TV during the day
@Gooner93
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Give it up mate, they just don't get the beautiful game
<<insert “that’s bait” GIF>> cba to actually find the GIF bc it would be a waste of effort for a poor troll.
I'm with you Ray, I'm done replying to this thread, it's been taken over by people who think Icons should be Balon D'or, CL or WC winners who are only seen on UK TV during the day
GL with your prime Bocanegra goals in 2020
Edit: Also GL to yours and Rays wedding goals 2020
But it's not only the USA. Countries like Belgium and Scotland also have players who would deserve an Icon card.
Like I read here, if the likes of Nakata, Hernandez or Shearer can get Icon cards, there's no way that f. Ex. a Belgian player like Preud'Homme wouldn't deserve one
Shearer is the all-time leading goalscorer in the EPL.
A quick google (because I’d never heard of him) tells me that Preud’Homme is a goalkeeper who won the Yashin award in 1994. Not bad, but not quite Shearer.
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ❤️❤️❤️❤️. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).
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Oh man, you're lack of understanding is hurting my brain, I can try talking Yoda to you if that'd help you understand better?
Edit : FYI I'm not American or an MLS fan, I'm mote of a global football fan who watches more and understands more than just European football
It would make more sense than claiming Bocanegra and Kacey Keller are icon worthy
If they start adding those players as icons, soon there will be more icons than standard gold cards
Ohhhhh now I understand.
Hahaha, very nice. But at the end of the day, the players that i and probably 99 per cent of worldwide football fans have watched on tv, are icons in the game.
They were just examples of good American players who played at a top level, there are others like Claudio Reyna, Alexi Lalas and Landon Donovan who have already had a mention, but there are others such as Brad Friedel, Brian McBride and Carlos Bocanegra, they may not have been the best players to have ever played or be anywhere Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Gullit etc but these were Iconic players who increased the popularity of the sport in America!
Maybe look outside of your own bubble and watch some global football, you might learn a thing or two
The irony of this
I'm guessing you have a different definition of irony too then?
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You're saying that american icons need to be in the game because they're iconic to you. And telling me to look outside of my own bubble. Thats irony
Was that supposed to be aimed as some sort of insult to me??? Hahaha ffs
An american wants to knock the english football team? The team that got the semi final of the tournament, you lot couldn't even qualify for.
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I know you’re just trolling but you’re engaging in a stupid logical fallacy. No one is saying that Europeans shouldn’t have icons. I didn’t watch Sol Campbell or Franco Baresi on tv as a kid, but I have no problem with them being labeled as icons. I’m guessing that I would be able to count the number of people in North America who knew Litmanens name outside of fut on my two hands. That’s ok. The point that you’re casually ignoring is that you are employing a definition of icon that if applied by other continents would eliminate most of the icons in fut 19.
The thing is YOU might not have watched them. But a hell of a lot of people have. More so than American soccer
It was actually Parma where he gained his reputation at the time Serie A was the best in Europe.
The argument you are making (Icons need to be elite players that are known for their ability worldwide) is a legitimate one (though I disagree with it). I can understand how you would only want internationally famous players and exclude players that are iconic specific to a single continent/nation/club.
Our response to that is to look at Nakata, or look at Luis Hernandez. These are legendary figures for their respective fans (very large groups of fans), though neither player would crack a World XI at any point in their career, nor would a prime version deserve to break a 90+ OVR. It's awesome for EA to include Icons such as these, since they don't fit the typical mold of most of the Legend/Icon selection over the years. Should we delete them because their careers are not on the same level as Maradona?
The point here is that smaller countries such as the US occasionally have players that fit this mold of ultra-popular, pioneering athletes for their region. Landon Donovan, Tim Cahill, Rafael Márquez, etc. are all iconic players to millions of fans across the world.
Lots of grandads on this forum.
A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting me here, i'm not saying why I personally don't want american icons in the game. I don't even use icons, i'd actually rather not have any in the game. The OP asked why they're not in the game, i gave reasons why i think EA did not include them. Which must have some validity, because, well they're not included
Loooooool what rating would you give a prime Carlos Bocanegra, Brian McBride or Kasey Keller???!!!!!!!!
Typical yanks want it all about them. Poor FOOTBALLING nation, not soccer. Stick to baseball.
Give it up mate, they just don't get the beautiful game
97, 98, and 99 respectively obviously.
<<insert “that’s bait” GIF>> cba to actually find the GIF bc it would be a waste of effort for a poor troll.
Just coz I think some US players deserve an Icon card for helping to increase the popularity in a country dominated by at least 4 other giant sports doesn't make me a biased American.
I'm with you Ray, I'm done replying to this thread, it's been taken over by people who think Icons should be Balon D'or, CL or WC winners who are only seen on UK TV during the day
GL with your prime Bocanegra goals in 2020
Edit: Also GL to yours and Rays wedding goals 2020
GL with Prime Bocagnega goals in 2019
Sheared had his prime when the quality of the PL was on its ❤️❤️❤️❤️. Mid 90s England was even trailing behind the Eredivisie and some other leagues in terms of UEFA coefficient for a couple seasons. When Shearer won the PL, Ajax won the league and CL unbeaten. How is Seedorf the same rated as Kluivert and Kuivert the same rated as Shearer? (4 CL vs 1 CL vs 0 CL).