Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Nakata didn’t either.
You’ve arbitrarily set UCL, Ballon D’or, and WC as the criteria for icon selection when clearly it is not
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Nakata didn’t either.
You’ve arbitrarily set UCL, Ballon D’or, and WC as the criteria for icon selection when clearly it is not
Haha, i really couldn't care what icons they put in tbh. I don't work at EA and i don't set the criteria for icons, unfortunately for me.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
I hope one day they do put in an icon Carlos Bocaengra or Kasey Keller, for you.
But i certainly won't be betting on it
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
There are no American icons as they simply aren't good enough as for Scotland dalgleish is the only one who would get one snm
Really ? Celtic first Brittish team to win champions league, pretty sure most of those players could be considered iconic. Also dont forget all the great scottish players that graced the english leagues in the 60's 70's and 80's far to many to mention.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
America deserves an icon. I'm biased, yes, but if you look at our world cup performance over the years, we've actually been a relatively consistent team. Before failing to qualify this year, we had at least made the round of 16 in 5 of the last 6 world cups, including a quarter finals appearance in 2002. That deserves at least 1 icon IMO. Not bad for a country where soccer is like the 5th most popular sport.
I'd like to see more representation from areas outside of Europe. I want to see more Africans represented, and more South Americans not from Brazil/Argentina.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Exactly.
P.S. i will buy all the packs to get Nakata
And I, @RayS, will buy all the Nakata cards and put them all at min bin just so you don't have to pay over the odds for him when you don't actually pack him
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Exactly.
P.S. i will buy all the packs to get Nakata
And I, @RayS, will buy all the Nakata cards and put them all at min bin just so you don't have to pay over the odds for him when you don't actually pack him
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Again by your logic, you could make a case for any player to be an icon. Leon Britton or Gary Monk for Swansea, played in all 4 divisions of English football with one club. Bang average players in top flight english football, never got called up for their country. If you were a Swansea fan they'd be icons. But to anyone else they're not.
Take your biased American glasses off, ans get real. You keep criticising my argument. But don't forget youre the guy who said Carlos Bocanegra is as worthy of being an icon as any other player.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Again by your logic, you could make a case for any player to be an icon. Leon Britton or Gary Monk for Swansea, played in all 4 divisions of English football with one club. Bang average players in top flight english football, never got called up for their country. If you were a Swansea fan they'd be icons. But to anyone else they're not.
Take your biased American glasses off, ans get real. You keep criticising my argument. But don't forget youre the guy who said Carlos Bocanegra is as worthy of being an icon as any other player.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Again by your logic, you could make a case for any player to be an icon. Leon Britton or Gary Monk for Swansea, played in all 4 divisions of English football with one club. Bang average players in top flight english football, never got called up for their country. If you were a Swansea fan they'd be icons. But to anyone else they're not.
Take your biased American glasses off, ans get real. You keep criticising my argument. But don't forget youre the guy who said Carlos Bocanegra is as worthy of being an icon as any other player.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Again by your logic, you could make a case for any player to be an icon. Leon Britton or Gary Monk for Swansea, played in all 4 divisions of English football with one club. Bang average players in top flight english football, never got called up for their country. If you were a Swansea fan they'd be icons. But to anyone else they're not.
Take your biased American glasses off, ans get real. You keep criticising my argument. But don't forget youre the guy who said Carlos Bocanegra is as worthy of being an icon as any other player.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
never got called up for their country.
I bolded it for u, but I shall quote it since u didnt notice
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, not just one country. It's not hard to understand. Hence why there is no American icons in the game
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
Carlton Cole is iconic to West Ham fans, but he won't be getting an icon card any time soon.
But now you're comparing a club icon to a national icon, you cannot compare the two when it comes to putting them in the game as Icons
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
At the end of the day, the US players just weren't on the level of the current icons. They're not world cup, champions league, ballon d'or winners.
Did Jay-Jay Okocha win any of those titles you mention?
You know Brad Friedel held the record for consecutive appearances in the PL right? He was a great keeper as well. How about Pacey Keller? Another good keeper. Or Brian McBride? Carlos Bocanegra? All these players have played in the top leagues in Europe, how can you say they are not deserving or on the level of some of the Icons in the game already?
Surely the players i mentioned have done rge same for US soccer as Jay-Jay did for African football?
JJ is probably the only icon on the game that didn't win one of those.
If they give icons for the likes of those players, then literally every player who's played in a top league ever could be worthy of an icon.
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, not just one country. It's not hard to understand. Hence why there is no American icons in the game
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it. You don’t see the point, and I’m done trying to explain it.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
Essentially the debate over icons is whether you have to have been iconic for your country/league/club/region or whether you needed to have been a top European club player from the past two or three decades. EA currently employs the latter because it fits the rest of their approach to the game, promoting its main teams/content.
The debate in this thread appears to often misguidedly turn towards “look at how many Europeans had better careers for European clubs than those Americans and Africans.” No American played for Arsenal in 2001 or whatever, so no one is claiming that an American should be recognized under the criteria currently used by EA. My understanding from the American icon proponents is that they want a shift in EAs approach towards recognizing the rest of the world and their football cultures/achievements. As someone that watches non European club football, I think that’d be a worthy idea.
Is this an important qualification? Is a player only "iconic" if they are known and respected worldwide, versus being known and respected in a specific region?
For example, Nakata is legendary in Asia. Luis Hernandez is popular in Mexico. Both are iconic figures and deserve to be recognized, but these players are not internationally famous for their abilities.
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.
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You’ve arbitrarily set UCL, Ballon D’or, and WC as the criteria for icon selection when clearly it is not
Haha, i really couldn't care what icons they put in tbh. I don't work at EA and i don't set the criteria for icons, unfortunately for me.
I hope one day they do put in an icon Carlos Bocaengra or Kasey Keller, for you.
But i certainly won't be betting on it
Ok, so lets take your previous example of Carlton Cole, played many years in the Premier League with Chelsea and West Ham, arguably the best league in the world with two of the bigger clubs in England, got a handful of caps for England and according to your logic he would get an Icon card coz of that? Just face it, your argument is flawed, they clearly don't use the number of trophies or personal accolades won as an indication of Icon status
No i never said he should get an icon card haha. I was saying by your logic he should get an icon card.
You could literally use this argument to make a case for any player whos ever kicked a ball to be worthy of an icon.
Big Dave turned up to the local sunday pub team every sunday for 20 years just to run the line, rain or shine. Hes an icon in the village.
I'm not arguing or justyfying why EA pick what icons go in the game, but to put any american player in the bracket with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Van Basten, Maldini ect. Is just absurd
Really ? Celtic first Brittish team to win champions league, pretty sure most of those players could be considered iconic. Also dont forget all the great scottish players that graced the english leagues in the 60's 70's and 80's far to many to mention.
But no one is putting them in that bracket coz clearly there are none that stack up to those players.
I'm leaving this here coz you still aren't getting it.
Just out of interest, how many Icons are in the game that are Iconic to just one club or town?
The OP put why don't EA add american icons.
Well look at from EAs point of view. Honestly they're only interest is in selling packs nowadays.
Donovan, McBride, Howard, Friedel, Keller, Bocanegra. Who out of those is going to sell packs? None
People mentioning Scotish players and not mentioning the king is shocking.
Let's be honest, is Nakata gonna sell packs (no offense Ray)? No. Does Inzaghi sell packs? No. Does Laudrup sell packs? No. Does Litmanan sell packs? No. You're just spouting words that you think make your argument strong, it doesn't, in fact it weakens it with every post coz your 'facts' only suit your argument.
The biggest fact is that EA are not wholly recognising Icons by where they played, who they played for, how many trophies or personal accolades they won, they're choosing them on the impact they had on football, whether that be wholly or nationally.
Exactly.
P.S. i will buy all the packs to get Nakata
This too
And I, @RayS, will buy all the Nakata cards and put them all at min bin just so you don't have to pay over the odds for him when you don't actually pack him
I cannot take you seriously if you can’t tell the difference between big dave at the pub and Landon Donovan’s reputation in the CONCACAF region
Again by your logic, you could make a case for any player to be an icon. Leon Britton or Gary Monk for Swansea, played in all 4 divisions of English football with one club. Bang average players in top flight english football, never got called up for their country. If you were a Swansea fan they'd be icons. But to anyone else they're not.
Take your biased American glasses off, ans get real. You keep criticising my argument. But don't forget youre the guy who said Carlos Bocanegra is as worthy of being an icon as any other player.
Lol
Well there’s your problem
Im just going by the guys logic, he may not be iconic to you, because youre a fan of mls. But he's an icon in the Essex sunday league
Which is?
you’re going by your own logic which is not very logical tbh.
I bolded it for u, but I shall quote it since u didnt notice
@Frankenberry will lose his mind if he has to clarify to you that by “region” he meant an actual FIFA recognized region of football, e.g. CONCACAF, as opposed to Essex sunday League...
I'm using this logic
Nakata legendary in Asia =/= Big Dav Legendary in Essex...
Please tell me you’re just trolling
Is there a criteria for what is considered a region?
Icons are players that are recognised worldwide, not just one country. It's not hard to understand. Hence why there is no American icons in the game
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it. You don’t see the point, and I’m done trying to explain it.
No ones arguing Nakatas status, he's legendary in europe too
In Rome maybe. Not much elsewhere.
You’re trying to be pedantic but not being very good at it tbh. I’m done arguing the point since several of us have explained things very clearly to you.
The debate in this thread appears to often misguidedly turn towards “look at how many Europeans had better careers for European clubs than those Americans and Africans.” No American played for Arsenal in 2001 or whatever, so no one is claiming that an American should be recognized under the criteria currently used by EA. My understanding from the American icon proponents is that they want a shift in EAs approach towards recognizing the rest of the world and their football cultures/achievements. As someone that watches non European club football, I think that’d be a worthy idea.
It's ok i see where you're coming from, american players are icons to you, so naturally you want them in the game. But they are not iconic any where else, that's why they are not included.