Ratings Cruyff and Eusebio

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fifasoul
42 posts Last Pick at the Park
I think the rating of cruyff especially is a massive disgrace.
He's considered one of the best footballers of all time, mentioned in the same breath with pele and maradonna. How he is rated below R9 is just so disrespectful. Only 2 ratings above a player like van Nistelrooy, same rating as ronaldinho, insanity really.

Former players and journalists voted him 2nd best player of the century, just below pele, but even above maradonna etc. (Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Player_of_the_Century)

Also if you look at eusebio (431 matches 423 goals), ranked number 8th. Cannot grasp how he is ranked below R9 either.

Comments

  • MrMack08
    452 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Imagine giving David Silva a 2 star wf and Neuer a 4 star LUL
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    MrMack08 wrote: »
    Imagine giving David Silva a 2 star wf and Neuer a 4 star LUL

    Honestly, I can understand that. It is just about how the weak foot relates to the dominant foot. It doesn't mean that neuer's weak foot is actually better than silva's weak foot.
  • gia
    3166 posts National Call-Up
    edited September 2018
    nobody mentions Cruyff in the same breath as Pelé and Maradona.
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    gia wrote: »
    nobody mentions Cruyff in the same breath as Pelé and Maradona.

    Actually, journalists and former players rated cruyff above maradonna. See the source I added.
  • Colt_seevers
    1624 posts Play-Off Hero
    Cruyff’s rating seems fine in my opinion. Are you Dutch?
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    I am. However, I also think eusebio is underrated. I do not understand how someone who is voted #2 of the century does not even have a compareable rating to maradonna, pele etc. Honestly, cruyff was much better than gullit, van basten etc, not just 1 rating.. Or only 2 above van Nistelrooy, does not make sense. I also feel eusebio should be 2/3 ratings higher though.
  • Tboon
    5036 posts Big Money Move
    I agree! Cruyff was maybe the best player we have ever seen.
  • SmokeSwift1
    4385 posts National Call-Up
    Cruyff won 3 balon dors and should be at least 95 or 96 and considered one of the greatest of all time. But all his 3 cards are insane so i don't mind. Will get the baby if he has h/m. Hope they don't ruin him with m/m
  • gia
    3166 posts National Call-Up
    fifasoul wrote: »
    gia wrote: »
    nobody mentions Cruyff in the same breath as Pelé and Maradona.

    Actually, journalists and former players rated cruyff above maradonna. See the source I added.
    yeah wow, one vote. All the other votes in the source rate him less.
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    gia wrote: »
    fifasoul wrote: »
    gia wrote: »
    nobody mentions Cruyff in the same breath as Pelé and Maradona.

    Actually, journalists and former players rated cruyff above maradonna. See the source I added.
    yeah wow, one vote. All the other votes in the source rate him less.

    Internet voters and magazine readers compared to former footballers and journalists though.
    Anyways, big change from your initial statement : "Nobody".
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Also I am not saying he is better than maradonna, just that he is compareable and therefore deserves a compareable rating.
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Cruyff won 3 balon dors and should be at least 95 or 96 and considered one of the greatest of all time. But all his 3 cards are insane so i don't mind. Will get the baby if he has h/m. Hope they don't ruin him with m/m

    Yea hoping for 5 star weak foot too. Would rank him 96 myself.
  • MCMLXXIX
    41 posts Park Captain
    If you aren't Dutch or not at least 30+ years old you probably underestimate the football skills and qualities of Johan Cruijff. On and off the pitch.
    Cruijff changed football forever in the seventies.
    Not only is he one of the best players ever, his thoughts of how the game should be played are still visible today.
    The recent Barcelona dynasty wouldn't have happened without Cruijff. The way Manchester City is playing currently wouldn't have happened without Cruijff.
    Ask Pep Guardiola and many other who was the most influential person in football and they will all say Johan Cruijff. Without a doub't.

    His rating is too low.
  • Oweyman
    1240 posts Professional
    MCMLXXIX wrote: »
    If you aren't Dutch or not at least 30+ years old you probably underestimate the football skills and qualities of Johan Cruijff. On and off the pitch.
    Cruijff changed football forever in the seventies.
    Not only is he one of the best players ever, his thoughts of how the game should be played are still visible today.
    The recent Barcelona dynasty wouldn't have happened without Cruijff. The way Manchester City is playing currently wouldn't have happened without Cruijff.
    Ask Pep Guardiola and many other who was the most influential person in football and they will all say Johan Cruijff. Without a doub't.

    His rating is too low.

    Whilst I agree with what you say about his quality on the pitch. A higher rated card isn't warranted because of what he has done off the pitch in terms of his impact on football etc.

    Just because of that impact, you can't suddenly give him a card two ratings higher because he 'changed football forever'. The card ratings are supposed to be about the players footballing ability whilst they played and thats it.

    I am however not arguing with the call for him to be higher rated because of his ability whilst he played, as I am unfortunately not old enough to have seen him play at all as he retired about 10 years before I was born! :D
  • TOMMYxCOOPER
    4156 posts National Call-Up
    eusebio was a fantastic player who was lauded by his fellow famous pros..i hope his card does him justice
  • Bouboe112
    514 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Cruyf should be 96 at least period. This is a disgrace for the footballworld

  • Scutch
    22347 posts Club Captain
    edited September 2018
    Bouboe112 wrote: »
    Cruyf should be 96 at least period. This is a disgrace for the footballworld

    Perhaps it is, but this is a video game and in reality it simply doesn't change the football world.
  • BATIGOL
    344 posts Sunday League Hero
    Bouboe112 wrote: »
    Cruyf should be 96 at least period. This is a disgrace for the footballworld

    Cruijff should have 98 and Pele 97 as a rating. Cruijff wasn't only one of the best players of all time but also chanced football and the way its played. Next to this he drove two clubs and a nation to a unmatched class. No other player has done this.
  • Diggy
    16353 posts World Class
    Cruyff is lower because of international recognition like Best that’s why Pele & Maradona won big international tournaments
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Diggy wrote: »
    Cruyff is lower because of international recognition like Best that’s why Pele & Maradona won big international tournaments

    I don't mind him being lower, but he should have a compareable rating. Rating him only 2 above van Nistelrooy, 2 below R9 and equal rating as ronaldinho is criminal. Should be 96 at least.. That is still 2 below pele..
  • Blarix
    20871 posts Club Captain
    gia wrote: »
    nobody mentions Cruyff in the same breath as Pelé and Maradona.

    Yes they do. He is easily top 5 of all time players. He deserved to be 96 rated.
  • Blarix
    20871 posts Club Captain
    MCMLXXIX wrote: »
    If you aren't Dutch or not at least 30+ years old you probably underestimate the football skills and qualities of Johan Cruijff. On and off the pitch.
    Cruijff changed football forever in the seventies.
    Not only is he one of the best players ever, his thoughts of how the game should be played are still visible today.
    The recent Barcelona dynasty wouldn't have happened without Cruijff. The way Manchester City is playing currently wouldn't have happened without Cruijff.
    Ask Pep Guardiola and many other who was the most influential person in football and they will all say Johan Cruijff. Without a doub't.

    His rating is too low.

    Exactly. He also discovered the Cruyff turn...only great players discover moves and get named after. He was amazing and i find his rating just odd. His son should be furious.
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Blarix wrote: »
    MCMLXXIX wrote: »
    If you aren't Dutch or not at least 30+ years old you probably underestimate the football skills and qualities of Johan Cruijff. On and off the pitch.
    Cruijff changed football forever in the seventies.
    Not only is he one of the best players ever, his thoughts of how the game should be played are still visible today.
    The recent Barcelona dynasty wouldn't have happened without Cruijff. The way Manchester City is playing currently wouldn't have happened without Cruijff.
    Ask Pep Guardiola and many other who was the most influential person in football and they will all say Johan Cruijff. Without a doub't.

    His rating is too low.

    Exactly. He also discovered the Cruyff turn...only great players discover moves and get named after. He was amazing and i find his rating just odd. His son should be furious.

    I agree. Don't understand how his son would accept this. Honestly it is a disgrace his son gave the rights in the first place, since Cruyff never wanted to be in a video game, since he thought kids should play outside and not play video games. As soon as he passes away, his son seems to be interested in the money only..
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    4269 posts National Call-Up
    Diggy wrote: »
    Cruyff is lower because of international recognition like Best that’s why Pele & Maradona won big international tournaments

    Exactly. George Best, Cruyff and Eusebio should all be rated similar to Maradonna.
  • Antiversum
    5890 posts Big Money Move
    Blarix wrote: »
    MCMLXXIX wrote: »
    If you aren't Dutch or not at least 30+ years old you probably underestimate the football skills and qualities of Johan Cruijff. On and off the pitch.
    Cruijff changed football forever in the seventies.
    Not only is he one of the best players ever, his thoughts of how the game should be played are still visible today.
    The recent Barcelona dynasty wouldn't have happened without Cruijff. The way Manchester City is playing currently wouldn't have happened without Cruijff.
    Ask Pep Guardiola and many other who was the most influential person in football and they will all say Johan Cruijff. Without a doub't.

    His rating is too low.

    Exactly. He also discovered the Cruyff turn...only great players discover moves and get named after. He was amazing and i find his rating just odd. His son should be furious.

    I demand 95 Bolasie.
  • Hollandman
    4860 posts National Call-Up
    Diggy wrote: »
    Cruyff is lower because of international recognition like Best that’s why Pele & Maradona won big international tournaments

    Exactly. George Best, Cruyff and Eusebio should all be rated similar to Maradonna.

    Yeah Maradonna,hand of god and cocaïne
  • Joestoe
    10581 posts Has That Special Something
    Without Cruijff, football wouldn't be what it is today. I dare to say Cruijff has had the most impact on football someone has ever had. He made the people of Barcelona believe in themselves. Also, tons of players he had when he was a trainer followed him up and became trainers themselves. Guardiola often says he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for Johan.

    97 rating would be no less than logical.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrX8r-5Nu8

    Also, not that it has to do with rating, but this man was a wonderful human being. In the video above, he mentioned he thinks "he's very lucky he can mean something to handicapped kids".

    Johan is one of the game's all time greatest. Easily top 5, if not top 3. Easily better than R9 as well.
  • fifasoul
    42 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Just remember the camp nou when cruyff passed. Realize that Ajax named its stadium after him. Realise that a dutch cup is named after him. Shows that he is above ronaldinho, they shouldn't both be 94. Also shows how he is accepted to be the best dutch player by far in the Netherlands. Not just 2 above van Nistelrooy or 1 above gullit / v basten, but he is accepted to be of a different class than those players.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    4269 posts National Call-Up
    Joestoe wrote: »
    Without Cruijff, football wouldn't be what it is today. I dare to say Cruijff has had the most impact on football someone has ever had. He made the people of Barcelona believe in themselves. Also, tons of players he had when he was a trainer followed him up and became trainers themselves. Guardiola often says he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for Johan.

    97 rating would be no less than logical.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrX8r-5Nu8

    Also, not that it has to do with rating, but this man was a wonderful human being. In the video above, he mentioned he thinks "he's very lucky he can mean something to handicapped kids".

    Johan is one of the game's all time greatest. Easily top 5, if not top 3. Easily better than R9 as well.

    He was no better than George Best. Both have their ratings too low.
  • Hollandman
    4860 posts National Call-Up
    Joestoe wrote: »
    Without Cruijff, football wouldn't be what it is today. I dare to say Cruijff has had the most impact on football someone has ever had. He made the people of Barcelona believe in themselves. Also, tons of players he had when he was a trainer followed him up and became trainers themselves. Guardiola often says he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for Johan.

    97 rating would be no less than logical.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrX8r-5Nu8

    Also, not that it has to do with rating, but this man was a wonderful human being. In the video above, he mentioned he thinks "he's very lucky he can mean something to handicapped kids".

    Johan is one of the game's all time greatest. Easily top 5, if not top 3. Easily better than R9 as well.

    He was no better than George Best. Both have their ratings too low.

    Cruijff was better then Best.But to say someone is better then the other doesnt really matters.Everbody have there opinion.
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