What do you think about Stats?

alanrudy
1557 posts Play-Off Hero
I'm talking about futbin stats that show the average goals and assists per game of a players card. I find it interesting that some lower rated versions of players have better goals/assists per game stats than their best card. I believe the argument that explains that is the cheaper versions of the card were available when more people didn't have as good cards so they were able to dominate more at that time. I still find the stats interesting though and a part of me wonders if the lower rated card is actually better, in the same way people complain about the higher rated cards of keepers like DDG and Stegen.
And does anyone have examples of a lower rated version of a player they liked more than their highest rated version?

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  • ChristopherOC3
    332 posts Sunday League Hero
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?
  • alanrudy
    1557 posts Play-Off Hero
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?

    Thanks @ChristopherOC3 and great example with Rashford, agree with that. Would you say it works the same for a card that already is high rated and expensive and gets an "upgrade"?
  • ChristopherOC3
    332 posts Sunday League Hero
    alanrudy wrote: »
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?

    Thanks @ChristopherOC3 and great example with Rashford, agree with that. Would you say it works the same for a card that already is high rated and expensive and gets an "upgrade"?
    Id say it’s less noticeable for sure until you get into the very high 90s bracket.

    Someone like Lewendowski for example, the difference between his NIF 91 and the 93 was minimal, because they’re both clinical finishers regardless of the slight stat difference. However 97 Lewandowski is a real step up as he becomes a different style of player due to the pace a physical upgrades being so high.

  • alanrudy
    1557 posts Play-Off Hero
    alanrudy wrote: »
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?

    Thanks @ChristopherOC3 and great example with Rashford, agree with that. Would you say it works the same for a card that already is high rated and expensive and gets an "upgrade"?
    Id say it’s less noticeable for sure until you get into the very high 90s bracket.

    Someone like Lewendowski for example, the difference between his NIF 91 and the 93 was minimal, because they’re both clinical finishers regardless of the slight stat difference. However 97 Lewandowski is a real step up as he becomes a different style of player due to the pace a physical upgrades being so high.

    Awesome explanation, thank bro! Good news in that I agree with you and it's clear, bad news in that I think I might have to find a way to get that highest rated Suarez if possible, lol.
  • wade_7_
    4581 posts National Call-Up
    alanrudy wrote: »
    I'm talking about futbin stats that show the average goals and assists per game of a players card. I find it interesting that some lower rated versions of players have better goals/assists per game stats than their best card. I believe the argument that explains that is the cheaper versions of the card were available when more people didn't have as good cards so they were able to dominate more at that time. I still find the stats interesting though and a part of me wonders if the lower rated card is actually better, in the same way people complain about the higher rated cards of keepers like DDG and Stegen.
    And does anyone have examples of a lower rated version of a player they liked more than their highest rated version?

    I've tried tots mertens 3 times now this year (latest being today actually) but try as I might I just cannot like him, or get him playing.
    Go back afew months, and I was scoring without trying with his NiF card, he was just pure fun to use.
    Was it because I was playing against weaker opposition? Are my expectations too high, thinking he should be better than he seems? I dunno, but it does make you wonder
  • Oweyman
    1240 posts Professional
    Part of it may well also be a case of the Futbin stats only being a collection of the stats of the cards that are on the transfer market. Therefore, when people approach their final teams they tend to keep the players, if they enjoy them/ play well with them (suggesting their stats are good). So from that the players wouldn't get listed on the market and so the stats wouldn't update those on futbin.

    Furthermore, a lot of the TOTS cards people have at this point are the untradeable ones from the SBCs so they can't go on the market and I'd imagine proportionally, at the start of the game, less of the Mbappe, Martials etc were packed untradeable meaning that a higher ratio of these cards, used predomaaintly at the start of the game will be listed on the market, therefore updating the futbin stats.

    I hope that makes sense! :D:D
  • alanrudy
    1557 posts Play-Off Hero
    Oweyman wrote: »
    Part of it may well also be a case of the Futbin stats only being a collection of the stats of the cards that are on the transfer market. Therefore, when people approach their final teams they tend to keep the players, if they enjoy them/ play well with them (suggesting their stats are good). So from that the players wouldn't get listed on the market and so the stats wouldn't update those on futbin.

    Furthermore, a lot of the TOTS cards people have at this point are the untradeable ones from the SBCs so they can't go on the market and I'd imagine proportionally, at the start of the game, less of the Mbappe, Martials etc were packed untradeable meaning that a higher ratio of these cards, used predomaaintly at the start of the game will be listed on the market, therefore updating the futbin stats.

    I hope that makes sense! :D:D

    haha, it actually does make perfect sense.
  • ChristopherOC3
    332 posts Sunday League Hero
    alanrudy wrote: »
    alanrudy wrote: »
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?

    Thanks @ChristopherOC3 and great example with Rashford, agree with that. Would you say it works the same for a card that already is high rated and expensive and gets an "upgrade"?
    Id say it’s less noticeable for sure until you get into the very high 90s bracket.

    Someone like Lewendowski for example, the difference between his NIF 91 and the 93 was minimal, because they’re both clinical finishers regardless of the slight stat difference. However 97 Lewandowski is a real step up as he becomes a different style of player due to the pace a physical upgrades being so high.

    Awesome explanation, thank bro! Good news in that I agree with you and it's clear, bad news in that I think I might have to find a way to get that highest rated Suarez if possible, lol.

    The 99 Suarez has such high reviews I wish I could try him! Closest I’ll get is if I strike lucky on a draft however!
  • alanrudy
    1557 posts Play-Off Hero
    wade_7_ wrote: »
    alanrudy wrote: »
    I'm talking about futbin stats that show the average goals and assists per game of a players card. I find it interesting that some lower rated versions of players have better goals/assists per game stats than their best card. I believe the argument that explains that is the cheaper versions of the card were available when more people didn't have as good cards so they were able to dominate more at that time. I still find the stats interesting though and a part of me wonders if the lower rated card is actually better, in the same way people complain about the higher rated cards of keepers like DDG and Stegen.
    And does anyone have examples of a lower rated version of a player they liked more than their highest rated version?

    I've tried tots mertens 3 times now this year (latest being today actually) but try as I might I just cannot like him, or get him playing.
    Go back afew months, and I was scoring without trying with his NiF card, he was just pure fun to use.
    Was it because I was playing against weaker opposition? Are my expectations too high, thinking he should be better than he seems? I dunno, but it does make you wonder

    Yeah. I got on great with that nif Mertens too, starting him over 2IF Icardi and Immobile at the time. I think with Mertens, my theory is there's not that much that can be upgraded with the way that card performs because he's already super fast with good dribbling, shooting, and passing. And then the biggest weakness of low strength, height/heading can't really be upgraded. So it's like the other cards are better built for upgrades. Although that theory doesn't explain why his IF's and TOTS's are still super expensive.
  • alanrudy
    1557 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited August 2018
    alanrudy wrote: »
    alanrudy wrote: »
    Lower rated teams tend to play other lower rated teams, so those lower rated strikers come up against equally lower rated defenders.

    If you stick NIF Rashford against NIF De Vrij then sure he’ll score similar amounts to Futties Rashford against TOTS De Vrij.

    However stick a NIF Rashford against a TOTS defence and he is not better than a Futties Rashford.... ya dig?

    Thanks @ChristopherOC3 and great example with Rashford, agree with that. Would you say it works the same for a card that already is high rated and expensive and gets an "upgrade"?
    Id say it’s less noticeable for sure until you get into the very high 90s bracket.

    Someone like Lewendowski for example, the difference between his NIF 91 and the 93 was minimal, because they’re both clinical finishers regardless of the slight stat difference. However 97 Lewandowski is a real step up as he becomes a different style of player due to the pace a physical upgrades being so high.

    Awesome explanation, thank bro! Good news in that I agree with you and it's clear, bad news in that I think I might have to find a way to get that highest rated Suarez if possible, lol.

    The 99 Suarez has such high reviews I wish I could try him! Closest I’ll get is if I strike lucky on a draft however!

    Yeah, I could've had him when fof was back in packs and he was cheaper, but this being my first fut (although a lot of time put in) and too many mistakes leave me having to make some major sacrifices if I want to even get in his ballpark price range, may not want to make them.
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