HELP Need help building a solid and balance squad

AndreJezGomes
91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
edited July 2018
I've been trying a lot of things lately and nothing seems to do...
Sometimes i am to defensive, sometimes to offensive...
I beginned with a 442 compose of:
Lecomte 93, Debuchy 91, Rami 91, Kimpembe 93, Hernandez 92, De Bruyne 94, Bakayoko 91, Thauvin 94, T.Hazard 91, Messi 98, Cavani 97
But this team was TOO compose, yeah things were doing great but i was to predictable forcing me to score early (what i did) or not score at all. My two at front were too isolated...

So tried this:
Lecomte 93, Debuchy 91, Rami 91, Kimpembe 93, Hernandez 92, De Bruyne 94, Bakayoko 91, Luiz Gustavo 94, Sanchez 92, Messi 98, Cavani 97
on a 4-3-2-1, offensively speeking it was great. I like playing in the middle passing the ball so it was really good.
But my forte with the 442 (the defense) was all gone! It was a mess, nobody helped in the wings so it was like a free way...

Now i want to try a mix of the two above like you can see in the picture: https://ibb.co/jA9d3o
GK : Areola89, Lecomte was TOO small
DD: Sergi Roberto92
DC: Kimpembe93
DC: Marquinhos92 (full speed defense with those two)
DG: Young90 (he looks amazing despite his overall being lower than Hernandez who had no stamina at all)
CDM: Parejo94 (can do everything, attack-denfense-shooting,...)
CDM: Verratti94 (the same)
CAM: De bruyne (the best CAM there is for me)
CAM (CF): Messi (i don't like him as a striker, he's too week but in CF he looks great)
ST : Cavani 97
ST : Suarez 92 (this duo of 4* seems amazing)

What do you think of this team and what would you sugest? (Cavani, De Bruyne and Messi are untradable and any change most be for a player of same value or at least not too far from that)?

Thank you guys (and sorry if my english is not perfect, it's not my primary language...)

Comments

  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Your problem is a simple one. RAMI! Get rid he’s useless,
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    yeah i'm thinking to put Marquinhos in his stead...
    What do you think of him, his work rate makes me unsure but with his pace it could be fine
  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited July 2018
    If you like wide play but strong middle try 4222. Really solid protection but good going forward with width

    You’re CDMs need to change too. What’s tradable? What’s your budget?

  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    https://ibb.co/jA9d3o
    this is what i was thinking
    Parejo and Verratti seem amazing because they are all arounders
    Cavani, De Bruyne and Messi are untradable
  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    https://ibb.co/jA9d3o
    this is what i was thinking
    Parejo and Verratti seem amazing because they are all arounders
    Cavani, De Bruyne and Messi are untradable

    Veratti is to weak as a CDM
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Even with anchor style?
    i could put bakayoko91 i did the sbc so i have him on the bench...
    Not sure about chemistry though...
  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    He’s horrendouy weak and small. I’d go

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  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    So I dont play 442 (I need to! Love two cdms and kinda wide with two strikers, but my brain freaks out there is no central cam even though he just flattens out in final 2/3 anyway) so you may need to just forget what I'm going to say.

    But wouldnt you want more defensive rock CDMs like bak and gustavo where bak has your current two CDMs beat in pace and can just fly around all game? And I know you understandably really want to fit debruyne in your CAM but doesnt his pace give you problems when trying to stretch the field. Like what about Thauvin and Messi at wide cams and then two decently fast but strong strikers.

    I play 4231 narrow and 41212 wide, so maybe my mindset isnt right for 442. But for CDMs I have the luxury of Pjanic and SMS over starting guys like Allan who isnt a prolific scorer. But I feel like I'd just rather have two faster more defensive CDMs in your case and a faster LCAM than debruyne. But like I said, dont play 442 so maybe Im speaking outta my booty lol. And your english is excellent! Better than most american born english speakers.
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Rabiot could be a good alternative indeed, i had him once, he was really good a defending but his balance was a bit weak... Also his long shot were a but too inconsistent but he was still a good CDM.
    I prefer Young to Mendy and with the loyalty bonus i will get to 100 either way so...
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I know that De Bruyne pace is low but you don't actually feel it in game... And having messi playing wide it can be helpfull to have de bruyne staying just outside of the box wainting for a pass.

    And i was kinda disappointed with Bak, i had him and Rabiot at the same time and Rabiot was better.
    Even Luiz Gustavo was better for me... so that's why he is on the bench now xD
    But on a 442 having two real CDM means that you are too predictable so i didn't like it.
    So maybe Parejo and Rabiot will be the answer... I'll try it anyway

    Thanks for the help, both of you!
    And thanks for the compliment about my language i really apreciate it ^^
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    I know that De Bruyne pace is low but you don't actually feel it in game... And having messi playing wide it can be helpfull to have de bruyne staying just outside of the box wainting for a pass.

    And i was kinda disappointed with Bak, i had him and Rabiot at the same time and Rabiot was better.
    Even Luiz Gustavo was better for me... so that's why he is on the bench now xD
    But on a 442 having two real CDM means that you are too predictable so i didn't like it.
    So maybe Parejo and Rabiot will be the answer... I'll try it anyway

    Thanks for the help, both of you!
    And thanks for the compliment about my language i really apreciate it ^^


    Ahhh ok That makes sense. Yea I figured that cdms in 442 are more important to be vers because they are your second layer and if oppenent isnt worried about cdm at all offensively they can just do low pressure and sit back in the box. And yea, Debruyne is an animal. I can see how messi would force the deffense to rotate over to his side and debruyne cuts in and is open for a finesse or accross the body. Let us know how it works out, might give 442 a shot next week. Gl mayne!

  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    So I dont play 442 (I need to! Love two cdms and kinda wide with two strikers, but my brain freaks out there is no central cam even though he just flattens out in final 2/3 anyway) so you may need to just forget what I'm going to say.

    But wouldnt you want more defensive rock CDMs like bak and gustavo where bak has your current two CDMs beat in pace and can just fly around all game? And I know you understandably really want to fit debruyne in your CAM but doesnt his pace give you problems when trying to stretch the field. Like what about Thauvin and Messi at wide cams and then two decently fast but strong strikers.

    I play 4231 narrow and 41212 wide, so maybe my mindset isnt right for 442. But for CDMs I have the luxury of Pjanic and SMS over starting guys like Allan who isnt a prolific scorer. But I feel like I'd just rather have two faster more defensive CDMs in your case and a faster LCAM than debruyne. But like I said, dont play 442 so maybe Im speaking outta my booty lol. And your english is excellent! Better than most american born english speakers.

    Stick one striker on a false 9 and he’ll drop slightly deeper. He won’t track back like the CAM either, so it’s a nice alternative
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Exactly you need a CDM to go to the front sometimes, so that's why i'm quite excited to use Parejo, he seems the perfect player for a 442 / 4222!
    I'll try this out tommorow (if i can buy everyone today) and let you all know.

    See y'a!
  • HilltopFC
    681 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Exactly you need a CDM to go to the front sometimes, so that's why i'm quite excited to use Parejo, he seems the perfect player for a 442 / 4222!
    I'll try this out tommorow (if i can buy everyone today) and let you all know.

    See y'a!

    Good luck fella
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    HilltopFC wrote: »
    So I dont play 442 (I need to! Love two cdms and kinda wide with two strikers, but my brain freaks out there is no central cam even though he just flattens out in final 2/3 anyway) so you may need to just forget what I'm going to say.

    But wouldnt you want more defensive rock CDMs like bak and gustavo where bak has your current two CDMs beat in pace and can just fly around all game? And I know you understandably really want to fit debruyne in your CAM but doesnt his pace give you problems when trying to stretch the field. Like what about Thauvin and Messi at wide cams and then two decently fast but strong strikers.

    I play 4231 narrow and 41212 wide, so maybe my mindset isnt right for 442. But for CDMs I have the luxury of Pjanic and SMS over starting guys like Allan who isnt a prolific scorer. But I feel like I'd just rather have two faster more defensive CDMs in your case and a faster LCAM than debruyne. But like I said, dont play 442 so maybe Im speaking outta my booty lol. And your english is excellent! Better than most american born english speakers.

    Stick one striker on a false 9 and he’ll drop slightly deeper. He won’t track back like the CAM either, so it’s a nice alternative


    Ooo interesting so itd be like a 4231 but the cam isnt dropping so far back and you have one on left/right to find gaps easier.
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Not sure i follow you mean like this:
    CDM : Parejo
    CDM: Bak
    CAM (left) : De Bruyne
    CAM (right) : Messi
    CAM (midle) : Suarez (with CF card)
    ST: Cavani

    like this then?
    https://ibb.co/eqvkzT
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    Not sure i follow you mean like this:
    CDM : Parejo
    CDM: Bak
    CAM (left) : De Bruyne
    CAM (right) : Messi
    CAM (midle) : Suarez (with CF card)
    ST: Cavani

    like this then?
    https://ibb.co/eqvkzT

    Think he might be responding to me when I said Im afraid to play 442 cuz of no central cam. He prob just means set one striker to target man so it creates levels

  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    ah okay! Makes sense...
    But it could actually be cool to have that with matic in Bakayoko place
  • AndreJezGomes
    91 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited July 2018
    So 7 games : 5win 2defeats (online season div3)
    4-0 win
    6-1 win
    5-3 lost (2 penalties when it was 3-3)
    1-0 win (the game lasted 2 in game minutes, no jooking)
    4-3 lost
    4-2 win
    3-0 win
    First off the two defeats were ok, first one i lost after two false penaties (you can see its a false one, when you didn't do anything and the ref knows that and don't even bother to show you a yellow card, acknowledging his mistake). The second i was facing a player WAY out of my league, he was a really good dribbler with sombrero here, a sombrero that is actually a pass, turnaround,... Unstoppable but I manage to only lose 4-3, he took me too lightly and it almost cost him 2 points.

    Anyway,
    The team was great, the formation really good with the two strikers passing the ball to each other and messi taking the space behind the defense. De bruyne stayed lower as expected and score two goals from outside the box. Defensivly it's a stronghold! It's really hard to pass because they almost all have phisical abilities as well as pace!
    At front, the attackers switch a lot of times and make them really unpredictable without losing any defensive force.

    AREOLA: Really good goalkeeper, way better than Lecomte even though he has 4 overall less. I don't see a lot of goalkeepers better than him (De Gea and maybe Courtois)
    SERGI ROBERTO: he his the downside of the team, not fast enough, not strong enough and small... His workrates are bad because he sometimes stays lower than the CB. Need to find someone else...
    MARQUINHOS: just amazing, fast strong and didn't lose a single tackle, the only downside is that he is small. And since Kimpembe is the same it can be an issue.
    KIMPEMBE: good player but I think he lacks composure (even though he has 96), he really misses under pressure... And that's not the first time penalties are made because of him.
    YOUNG: this guy is EVERYWHERE! Attack-defense, and its very helpfull because sometimes De Bruyne goes too deep in the center of the pitch so Young takes the wing and just atomize the defenders. And even though is up front he still manage to go back defending.
    PAREJO: Exactly what I expected! This guy is a beast, defense, long shots, offense, he does everything and he does it well. A must have in this formation! Scored two beautifull longshots.

    For the CDM I tried three different players:
    VERRATTI : as a CDM, he was too small and too weak as you said, not a good choice. As a CAM, he's not good at shooting so he's out!
    BAKAYOKO: really good in this formation nothing passes him but he's more helpfull when you're wining to keep the score. His long shots are not that bad.
    RABIOT: really good as well but he is better passing the ball making him a better choice for me. Slighty inferior to Bak in defense because his balance is really bad.

    Going back to the CAM then:
    DE BRUYNE: sometimes his HIGH/HIGH workrate can be an issue because he is everywhere without being anywhere but I think it's still a good thing because he attcks and helps when Young goes to far. He makes the attacker lose time and Young can come back. Scored three goals in 7 games.
    MESSI: do I really need to say anything? Scored 8 goals in 7 games. He also did 4 assists.
    SUAREZ: His duo of 4* star makes him the perfect false 9. 2 goals in 7 games but 10 assists.
    CAVANI: a true 9, he his always were you need him! Result: 10 goals in 7 games.

    I was quite surprise about my offensive form! But nothing is perfect and i would change some things when i would have the cash to do it:

    because i want sergi roberto out (and I have walker86 as untradable) and a better CDM i went with this:
    https://ibb.co/b9BCzT

    I could max out chem. with Mendy but I love Young...
    Matic is my favorite CDM in the normal game so his TOTS should be even better
    Verthongen is tall and has decent pace, he's awesome!
    Azpi is the best fast defender and it works out with chem.
    Walker is awesome
    Courtois is as good as Areola and for chem I have to put him

    With that the team will be perfect I think!
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