FIFA 19 no loss glitch fixed finally? Need of detailed message on lost connection and clear rules

SVKslato8
417 posts Sunday League Hero
edited July 2018
We all know there are some glitches in all games but that comes with every decent game. This is the place where we should report them and the EA developers should listen and patch and fix them.

In FIFA 18 the most annoying is the no loss glitch.

It concerns all modes as far as I know and the scenario is that opponent quits and the game is not counted.
In FUT mode there was a try to fix it by always giving loss to player who disconnected and giving the other player who stayed in the game either win if he was leading or no game count if it was draw or loosing.

What I missed in FIFA 18 is the fair approach in all disconnection cases. I understand there are different reasons of disconnection but most of them are intentional.
In other online games if you are disconnected the game is always counted so let us count it and don't waste our time.

Especially when both players are connecting to the EA server and EA can easily decide who left the server

Suggestions:
Disconnected player gets automatically loss, the remaining player who is connected gets the win with no regard on the score.

Give the option for players to agree on no game count in case of lags or delays in first minute of gameplay (7th minute on score board in game). We already had this option to propose opponent to quit based on mutual agreement.
I know there will still be a certain amount of players who will never agree on mutual quit because they want to get the advantage of the lags or delays in server connection but that's reality unless EA develops the algorithm to discover the lags and delays in game and it quits the game in first minute automatically itself. (Nice imagination but I am afraid unreal)

In addition please let us see the opponents statistics on his quits before the game (how many quits and % of games quit of all played games) to have the option to choose different opponent before the game starts and in addition it will disclose these players to all opponents and maybe give EA a chance to ban for a certain period if they achieve like 30 or 50% quit ratio. After ban period the quit statistics would reset and they get a new chance.

Especially for FUT mode where a huge amount of players quit before the kick off just to refresh their players fitness I suggest if the game is not counted then do not use the contracts and do not restore the fitness of players. In case they get a loss and the opponent the win let them have the fitness restore and contract counted.

What do you think?
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Comments

  • Massikiller
    78 posts Park Captain
    Sorry, but I really don't know what you are talking about, because every time that my opponent gets out of the game, I win the match. That's it. Don't need to do anything, it's the way it should be. If you leave you loose. And that is exactly what happens right now.

    And regarding the option to give one minute for the players to test their connections, and leave if they want without losing the match, doesn't work, breaks the game, it was already tested, didn't work, it's stupid.
    Because, what would really happens is that you cannot score goals inside that first minute, or else your opponent just quits and doesn't lose. You just lose 1 minute of your life passing the ball without trying to attack, because if you play normally, and eventually you score before that minute runs out... yeahh, it's just stupid.
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    Can somebody else confirm we already have the no loss glitch fixed?
    I am not sure, in which mode are you playing?

    The mutual agreement option is not about scoring the first goal quickly but testing the lags and delays and if its fine lets continue to play...the time could be adjusted maybe for 30 seconds game play but I miss that option.

  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    I think OP is confused when DC at even score and game doesnt count. Game doesnt count for you but guy who DC gets loss now. Last week WL game weirdly disconnected (still connected to ea server, perfect internet connection and dc happened before game) and I still got a loss. I wish we didnt live in a world where people cheat, but we dont so ill take a frustrating WL loss vs 20 people with perfect games in WL due to no loss glitch.


    In 19 I wish you'd be able to quit without coin penalty. Game counts as loss, opp gets W and fitness doesnt refresh. But there is no reason I cant quit a game if im losing bad. Just mov on to next.


    Also, I agree there should be mutual quit but an obvi problem with that is that if two god squads meet and both just agree on quit so both teams can find easier opponents. This would catch on and it would be a common strategy.
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    I think mutual quit wouldn’t end up by your example of god teams looking for easier opponent because the only reason for mutual quit is gameplay lags...if game is fine why would a god team quit? everybody wants to prove hos god team is better and that he is the best player
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    SVKslato8 wrote: »
    I think mutual quit wouldn’t end up by your example of god teams looking for easier opponent because the only reason for mutual quit is gameplay lags...if game is fine why would a god team quit? everybody wants to prove hos god team is better and that he is the best player


    Eh not everyone man. Sure there are a lot of gamers like that but some people just want to to win the most games at any cost. This wouldnt even be against the rules too. Think about all the no loss glitchers and imagine how many more would do it if it wasnt cheating. Like in poker, where making money is the only goal, it's actually a bad strategy to try and battle the other good players at the table if you can help it. You pick on the weaker players at the table.

    There would be this unspoken agreement that if two higher rated squads met they would both agree to forfeit and try for an easier match. Sure, there would be tons of players that refuse the offer, but there would still be a large amount that accept.

    I remember when I was new and bad at the game and couldnt break into div 1 I actually sat in lobbies and waited until I was matched up with an opp that started FUT around the same time as me. People will try to gain edges anyway they can.
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    SVKslato8 wrote: »
    I think mutual quit wouldn’t end up by your example of god teams looking for easier opponent because the only reason for mutual quit is gameplay lags...if game is fine why would a god team quit? everybody wants to prove hos god team is better and that he is the best player


    Eh not everyone man. Sure there are a lot of gamers like that but some people just want to to win the most games at any cost. This wouldnt even be against the rules too. Think about all the no loss glitchers and imagine how many more would do it if it wasnt cheating. Like in poker, where making money is the only goal, it's actually a bad strategy to try and battle the other good players at the table if you can help it. You pick on the weaker players at the table.

    There would be this unspoken agreement that if two higher rated squads met they would both agree to forfeit and try for an easier match. Sure, there would be tons of players that refuse the offer, but there would still be a large amount that accept.

    I remember when I was new and bad at the game and couldnt break into div 1 I actually sat in lobbies and waited until I was matched up with an opp that started FUT around the same time as me. People will try to gain edges anyway they can.

    I see your point but we shouldn’t dismiss it just because it can be overused. Possible solution is to limit it to x times per certain period and it wouldn’t be abused. For example 3 times per day. At the end when they run out of mutual agreements they would have to play despite the lags, or they quit and give the opponent easy win. By this limitation they would consider if they want to waste their tries for strong opponent with no lag or play the game with lags and delays
  • BLaZiNgSPEED
    404 posts Sunday League Hero
    Make sure that it is also not your connection. In FIFA 17 and 18 I think. I don't have 18. But if you're winning the game say by a goal or more and somehow your connection got disconnected. You won't get win, but neither a loss. The opponent also escapes unpunished with no defeat even though it's not meant to be like that.

    I've had a case where I got disconnected when I was winning. I thought the opponent used quit glitch. But then I logged into my router stats. And I noticed that I was dropped out for a few seconds. But most of the time the internet connection reconnects so quickly that the user doesn't detect it and thinks it's either the EA server or the player who cheated.

    That's precisely not the case in this scenario. I've also experienced on many occasions when I was losing the game the opponent got disconnected. The game did not record loss for me and neither a win for them.

    I've played over 3000+ matches in FIFA 17 PC online seasons. Aside from maybe a few quit glitches I've not experienced that many. Maybe only 20 or so instances like these where I didn't get win when I should've.
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    I have to admit in online WC mode I have countered a lot of quit games but all of them I received a win, on the other hand I was leading in all of them. Hope the same will stay for all modes in FIFA19.

    Anyway I still think the mutual agreement is missing.

    And I would appreciate a clear communication of rules on disconnect resolution. based on what who gets win and so
  • Zv1k0
    5926 posts Big Money Move
    edited July 2018
    What I'm wondering is how do people know when someone did a no loss glitch or when it was completely random DC because you know...EA.... Because they lost when game DCed? Because they didn't get a win? I'm sure I was in every situation possible more than once with different outcomes every time.

    -I won a game when I was winning before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was winning before DC.
    I got a loss when I was winning before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was drawing before DC.
    -I got a loss when I was drawing before DC.
    -I got a loss when I was losing before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was losing before DC.

    And now double that and add "I was booted out of the servers" at the end. Now how the hell do you know what the other guy got if it was random DC and if it wasn't random DC, how do you know that???
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    Good question, we deserve some more details from EA after each disconnection.

    EA please add more details to lost connection message.

    I think everybody would appreciate to see what was the decision, who get the win who loss and if not count why?

    Currently we only know one side of the decision, if we get win we assume the opponent get loss but is it really true?
  • Dragond81
    796 posts Semi-Pro
    Yesterday in WL match, I was leading 2-0, 70min my opponement scores and make it 2-1, a sec after he score, i get the "you lost Connection to ea server", I get put out of UT in fifa18 Main menu, I re-enter fut, and the message about disconnect popup: (


    I was Bloody leading, and winning.
    This guy even had Red cards of 93 Sane, and the hole Gullit gang, just pethetic, that way I can get elite or top 100 also.

    Disgusting!!!!!
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    that means the no loss glitch is still there...

    We need a clear notification from EA to understand the results.
  • SPACIALIST09
    1002 posts Professional
    Zv1k0 wrote: »
    What I'm wondering is how do people know when someone did a no loss glitch or when it was completely random DC because you know...EA.... Because they lost when game DCed? Because they didn't get a win? I'm sure I was in every situation possible more than once with different outcomes every time.

    -I won a game when I was winning before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was winning before DC.
    I got a loss when I was winning before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was drawing before DC.
    -I got a loss when I was drawing before DC.
    -I got a loss when I was losing before DC.
    -Game didn't count when I was losing before DC.

    And now double that and add "I was booted out of the servers" at the end. Now how the hell do you know what the other guy got if it was random DC and if it wasn't random DC, how do you know that???


    You wont know unless they are on the leaderboard. Like there were guys that were 40-0 and people realized they had beaten them that week.

    Dragond81 wrote: »
    Yesterday in WL match, I was leading 2-0, 70min my opponement scores and make it 2-1, a sec after he score, i get the "you lost Connection to ea server", I get put out of UT in fifa18 Main menu, I re-enter fut, and the message about disconnect popup: (


    I was Bloody leading, and winning.
    This guy even had Red cards of 93 Sane, and the hole Gullit gang, just pethetic, that way I can get elite or top 100 also.

    Disgusting!!!!!

    Yea same thing for me. It's hilarious, because if its a DC that is on me... gimme an L. But i was still connected to EA in main menu and there was even "there is currently high traffic" that popped up. So apparently you still get the L if EA screws up

  • BLaZiNgSPEED
    404 posts Sunday League Hero
    The other thing I see what @SVKslato8 mentions regarding the 30 or 50% DNF quit ratio.
    I noticed one thing why this might not necessarily be an accurate way of measuring a quit glitcher. An example is in FIFA 17 PC online seasons there's a number 1 cheater in the leaderboard who uses quit glitch. I'm not allowed to mention his name due to forum shaming. He has thousands of wins and only 56 losses!!! But his DNF is only 3%! Why? Because he manages to quit the system in a sophisticated way so that the DNF is not reflected in his stats!

    This is why the DNF% is not really a reflective indicator of a cheater. In fact if a player does indeed have 30 or 50% DNF that would indicate that, that player is not a cheater and does not know how to perform the quit glitch! He's simply a rage quitter or has an unreliable internet connection that simply drops out.

    Low DNF% is also not an indicator that the player has very high sportsmanship. Low DNF%+massive high win/loss ratio indicates the player is a cheater who knows either to hack the game to win or quit without losing the game.
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    First of all there has to be fix for every work around and cheating like quit glitch and we need a report button in case we encounter a cheater during the game.

    If this is fixed we can then see the DNF ratio to mark the rage quit players from the rest and reward the fair players by highlighting their sportsmanship.
  • BLaZiNgSPEED
    404 posts Sunday League Hero
    Absolutely. But that is why EA have not implemented yet a system to punish a player on the basis of high DNF% for say even a short period of time. Simply because the system hasn't been rectified yet. It's not like in an online chess site where you cannot cheat there or quit without someone hacking the site which is basically impossible.

    But in a FIFA video game it is ran on a software. The hacker will always attempt to try and exploit the system and find weaknesses in the system like being able to quit without losing. People used to do this in FIFA 08 PC with Alt+F4 without getting a loss. And then some clever guy managed to find a solution by waiting 30 seconds after a player quit and then the game would give him win.

    This was then fixed in FIFA 11 I believe. It took 6 years for EA just to fix Alt+F4 quit cheat! Only for a new cheat to come and it was Alt+Tab where a player freezes the game and forces you to quit in a circular loading. I had to once wait 24 hours for the cheater to finally give up in FIFA 11 if I can remember.

    Now it appears these issues have been fixed as EA reprogrammed their game so you can no longer exploit with Alt+F4/Tab. But now players have discovered new tricks to quit in more sophisticated ways. EA have to identify this mechanism and in the same way program it so that, that new method that these quit glitchers are using will no longer work!

    Unfortunately EA have not concentrated enough. Console versions don't have this problem. This is predominantly a PC issue. If EA focus on implementing something like Punkbuster like EA's Battlefield Bad Company 2 and other games then you can at least ban that cheater who is using hack cheats. Similar like Valves Anti Cheat System (VAC).

    The alternative solution would be for EA to update FIFA so that any new cheat is discovered can be blocked from working. But then again EA will have to release a patch to sort out any time a new cheat exploit is discovered. But from experience EA completely abandon it and then we have to wait for next years FIFA release in the hope that the existing cheating in the current FIFA 17/18 gets fixed and it really shouldn't be that way. EA should try to fix the existing problem via a patch in the existing game and not have to make us wait for the new release for it to be fixed.
  • So.. Today I was playing rivals mode, game was 1-1, he had already a red card. Made another fault and got a 2nd red card. He quits, and I get a draw!!! Fuuuuuu!!
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    its unfair...that's why I propose a change by EA
  • I had one today I believe. Played about to the 37th min mark, the guy scored (1-0). Then he had to have quit right after scoring, I get handed a loss result after he quit. Not even halftime yet either. Other than being annoyed at not being given a chance to get one back, this needs to be fixed. You quit, you lose I say regardless of the score.
  • I lost 4 in a row like this today.. I posted about this n got the thread taking down which is crazy
  • SVKslato8
    417 posts Sunday League Hero
    yes they need to take it down as more kids would abuse it which makes sense.

    @EA_Andy

    Can we finally pass this to devs? its definitely in game and from time to tike more kids abuse this.
  • Ctp
    1 posts Ball Boy
    Just happened to me 2 minutes ago ..... was losing 2-1 , 57th minute and they left ...... i got no points and also lost a match ..... i was playing better than him and was going to score .... surely fifa would at least reinburse the match so you didnt lose it in your league , and not give any points to you ...... so now im in a relegation battle as that match was wasted and didnt even get a point to count as a draw but counts as a game out of the ones remaining still ??

    Get it sorted EA !!
  • Rossi1000
    491 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Happened to me tonight on coop seasons

    We were Winning 4-1 they quit with 20 minutes to go and they got a 3-0 win
  • ronin4
    14 posts Ball Boy
    Happens every 5 or 6 games I reckon, Ive even been in games where my opponent was ahead and the game was turning and then it comes up "EA will check who was winning...." and I get nothing. One guy got his 2nd CB sent off and quit right on the 2nd Red card, 20 minutes still to play and one goal ahead. Did he get the win?
  • Just found this post because it just happened to me (but I experience this since Fifa 12 or so). I was 3:0 and counter attacked, just in this moment the game "freezed" (just like when the opponent leaves, with the loading spinner) and the message appeared. No win.
  • Don222311
    16 posts Ball Boy
    LOL... Fifa staf made The Day happy:
    Thank you for contacting EA help. My name is Devendra and I would assist you with your connectivity issue today.

    As I can see, you are frustrated from disconnection during live match in FIFA 19. I deeply understand that it is very frustrating for passionate players like you .

    Additionally, please allow me to inform you that during live match if you face any disconnection from your opponent the you will "Win" that particular match as it is controlled by servers.

    Rest assured EA is totally committed to provide a fair and honest game play environment to his players .

    We have already captured your remarks as a valuable feedback
    to our developers team so that they can do the needful.

    Please be assured, I am also a gamer and I know what it feels when situation like that happens to me. This is a very frustration situation to be in and I don't hopefully you won't experience it anymore.

    We will investigate this report and take action in accordance with our Terms of Service. Due to our Privacy Policy, we will be unable to disclose the results of this investigation, or any actions taken against the reported account(s).

    As you have submitted the report, our dedicated team will manually investigate what happened and if proven that the player cheated in the game, proper sanction will be applied.

    I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you but we will make sure that we will take action on this report to overall improve the game experience for our players.

    Just to recap, as you mentioned that you get cheated in the game I have suggested you to please report this at your end and gave you relevant information above.

    Have an amazing day ahead.

    Should you have any further questions regarding this or any other issues, please do not hesitate to let us know.

    You can also find answers to common questions on our Help Center at "http://help.ea.com"; or ask our community experts by visiting Answer HQ at "http://answers.ea.com".

    Thanks again for contacting EA help.
  • Don222311
    16 posts Ball Boy
    LOL 7 disconect this week.. And no win
  • Don222311
    16 posts Ball Boy
    Best System ever
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