OT - England future

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Walsgrove_V2
2196 posts Fans' Favourite
As we are all aware we are out of the WC, i dont really want to get into that too much as much has been spoken about this in other threads.

So going forwards...
1- where do you think we can improve?
2 - what players do you predict can improve us by 2020?

Lets keep this positive :)

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  • CeeQue
    15766 posts World Class
    As we are all aware we are out of the WC, i dont really want to get into that too much as much has been spoken about this in other threads.

    So going forwards...
    1- where do you think we can improve?
    2 - what players do you predict can improve us by 2020?

    Lets keep this positive :)

    Would be the same squad most likely bar injury/form.
  • Crowie
    1678 posts Play-Off Hero
    As we are all aware we are out of the WC, i dont really want to get into that too much as much has been spoken about this in other threads.

    So going forwards...
    1- where do you think we can improve?
    2 - what players do you predict can improve us by 2020?

    Lets keep this positive :)

    I will start, as an outsider looking in.

    You can improve by having more players playing at the top level. By that I mean pretty regular Champions League football. That's the highest standard, in the latter stages, that's where the best players learn and improve.

    Where I think you may struggle is that aside from Kane and Alli, Walker and Sterling, your players may struggle to achieve that.

    Your 3 goalies won't get that.

    Trippier is a squad player, at present at Spurs.

    Young is an average winger converted to full back/wing back as he isn't fast enough as a winger now.

    Maguire won't get it with Leicester.

    Stones may or may not get it with City, not sure how regular he will be.

    Walker does but then he is playing out of position for England.

    Henderson's chances are diminishing with every player Liverpool sign/target.

    Lingard - see Trippier.

    Alli and Kane - yes.

    Sterling - yes but again the signing of Mahrez may see some of his game time diminish.




    You seem to have a number of good young players at youth levels. The key will initially be getting them first team football, then, higher level experience in European games.

    You have the potential but I fear that the top English clubs playing in the CL regularly will end up always buying ready made, normally foreign, players to keep them competing at that level.

  • Zv1k0
    6148 posts Big Money Move
    Kane is deadly as a target man but what of it if there's no one who can pass to that target. No Gerrards, no Lampards, no Giggs'. Instead your defence starts the attack and forces ball to the wings for either Trippier, Young, Sterling, even Rashford. Trippier was good but everyone else is just ❤️❤️❤️❤️. Sterling has pace, that's all. He had a lot of chances in this tournament and he blew them all. I think your midfield is lacking the most and defence is making too much mistakes.
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Zv1k0 wrote: »
    Kane is deadly as a target man but what of it if there's no one who can pass to that target. No Gerrards, no Lampards, no Giggs'. Instead your defence starts the attack and forces ball to the wings for either Trippier, Young, Sterling, even Rashford. Trippier was good but everyone else is just ****. Sterling has pace, that's all. He had a lot of chances in this tournament and he blew them all. I think your midfield is lacking the most and defence is making too much mistakes.

    I'm throwing a big shout out here ....

    James maddison who has just moved to Leicester from Norwich - could be a great option for us in 2 years time if he gets the right game time.

    Very creative central player who plays number 10... also takes one hell of a set piece ;)

    Other players who i expect to be involved for 2020 is Ryan Sessegnon ... he'll be perfect for that LWB role and also Jadon sancho from dortmund to come in around the squad (unsure where he would fit in currently)
  • Thorny
    1415 posts Play-Off Hero
    You're asking the opinion of a bunch of idiots here mate.
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Thorny wrote: »
    You're asking the opinion of a bunch of idiots here mate.

    :D:D:D Potentially ... still could be interesting
  • Alex_cr
    5936 posts Big Money Move
    A proper wing back to replace Young. Just get the feeling timing was wrong for Rose for various reasons.

    As many have said some creativity at CM. Alli and Lingard are too similar - I am starting to think I prefer Lingard. Not sure what the answer is here.

    Hopefully Rashford continues developing and can be the answer to Sterling’s finishing issues or he could improve that aspect.

    Kane needs to play up front not as a number 10.

    Not convinced by Pickford long term although he’s done well, Angus Gunn could possibly solve this in 4 years time

    Pretty happy with Maguire but Walker ain’t no CB and not entirely convinced by Stones.
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Maguire was my player of the tournament for England

    Walker you can see struggles with crosses - highlighted by the penalty against Tunisia and the 1st goal last night but his pace is an absolute blessing as part of the back 3 . i feel if he played there consistently for his club he could do well as part of a 3 (defo not as a 2) but obviously city dont play that way.
  • Rossco160715
    3203 posts National Call-Up
    Walker is a right back who isn’t great defensively and it proved England’s downfall against Croatia and almost costly against Tunisia.

    Despite his huge error, Stones looked good throughout. Maguire was an absolute standout however was Lucky not to be booked twice for diving. Unusual to see a centre back from Britain diving. However best player for England.

    The defence looks absolutely fine and Pickford was superb throughout. Left wing back may need addressed however.

    Kane will become one of the best in the world when he lifts his head up more often. Extremely greedy and if he passed to Sterling, it’s probably game over. Happens too often with him however he’s obviously a mainstay and guaranteed goals.

    The midfield is quite weak though and probably the reason Southgate wanted Kane playing deeper to create chances. A lot of workhorse types without much creativity or genuine goal threats. Lingard wasn’t great and Alli often struggles in big matches. Ironically Henderson played well and England struggled when he went off.

    Sterling is dangerous yet the most unpredictable player at that level. He always poses a threat however his notorious end product let’s him down. Rashford showed glimpses but not given a real run for England.

  • Rossco160715
    3203 posts National Call-Up
    A lot of young players to build the team around however a lot of average players holding the team back. Loftus-Cheek has creativity and wasn’t used anywhere near enough. He’s a cracking player.
  • Shezzzzzzz
    1320 posts Professional
    I think we are really just missing a player in midfield who is, for want of better terms, dangerous and exciting. a player like Messi / Modric / Bale even someone who you can give the ball to and they create chances for either them or someone else.
    Basically, what Dele Alli should be, we need.
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Yeah Alli didn't have a great tournament - he seemed to be injured throughout

    RLC is a very intriguing player - would love him to get a solid season behind him this season
  • Tymsy83
    883 posts Semi-Pro
    Jadon sancho and Reis Nelson will be smashing it up in 2 years time
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Tymsy83 wrote: »
    Jadon sancho and Reis Nelson will be smashing it up in 2 years time

    Not seen much of Nelson tbh , Sancho im excited about - doing well at a big side in Dortmund at such a young age too. Really like the idea of the young english lads going over to germany to get minutes

    Ademola Lookman seems to have done well over there too and appears to be pushing for a move back over
  • Pxul_
    13600 posts Has That Special Something
    It’s coming home 2020
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Pxul_ wrote: »
    It’s coming home 2020

    :trollface:
  • Thorny
    1415 posts Play-Off Hero
    Walker is a right back who isn’t great defensively and it proved England’s downfall against Croatia and almost costly against Tunisia.

    Despite his huge error, Stones looked good throughout. Maguire was an absolute standout however was Lucky not to be booked twice for diving. Unusual to see a centre back from Britain diving. However best player for England.

    The defence looks absolutely fine and Pickford was superb throughout. Left wing back may need addressed however.

    Kane will become one of the best in the world when he lifts his head up more often. Extremely greedy and if he passed to Sterling, it’s probably game over. Happens too often with him however he’s obviously a mainstay and guaranteed goals.

    The midfield is quite weak though and probably the reason Southgate wanted Kane playing deeper to create chances. A lot of workhorse types without much creativity or genuine goal threats. Lingard wasn’t great and Alli often struggles in big matches. Ironically Henderson played well and England struggled when he went off.

    Sterling is dangerous yet the most unpredictable player at that level. He always poses a threat however his notorious end product let’s him down. Rashford showed glimpses but not given a real run for England.

    It's scary that I pretty much fully agree with this, and it's this wet wipe saying it...
  • Walsgrove_V2
    2196 posts Fans' Favourite
    Thorny wrote: »
    Walker is a right back who isn’t great defensively and it proved England’s downfall against Croatia and almost costly against Tunisia.

    Despite his huge error, Stones looked good throughout. Maguire was an absolute standout however was Lucky not to be booked twice for diving. Unusual to see a centre back from Britain diving. However best player for England.

    The defence looks absolutely fine and Pickford was superb throughout. Left wing back may need addressed however.

    Kane will become one of the best in the world when he lifts his head up more often. Extremely greedy and if he passed to Sterling, it’s probably game over. Happens too often with him however he’s obviously a mainstay and guaranteed goals.

    The midfield is quite weak though and probably the reason Southgate wanted Kane playing deeper to create chances. A lot of workhorse types without much creativity or genuine goal threats. Lingard wasn’t great and Alli often struggles in big matches. Ironically Henderson played well and England struggled when he went off.

    Sterling is dangerous yet the most unpredictable player at that level. He always poses a threat however his notorious end product let’s him down. Rashford showed glimpses but not given a real run for England.

    It's scary that I pretty much fully agree with this, and it's this wet wipe saying it...

    :D:D:D I thought the exact same - it's like an alter-ego

    I prefer this side to him - he seems very reasonable
  • Shezzzzzzz
    1320 posts Professional
    Thorny wrote: »
    Walker is a right back who isn’t great defensively and it proved England’s downfall against Croatia and almost costly against Tunisia.

    Despite his huge error, Stones looked good throughout. Maguire was an absolute standout however was Lucky not to be booked twice for diving. Unusual to see a centre back from Britain diving. However best player for England.

    The defence looks absolutely fine and Pickford was superb throughout. Left wing back may need addressed however.

    Kane will become one of the best in the world when he lifts his head up more often. Extremely greedy and if he passed to Sterling, it’s probably game over. Happens too often with him however he’s obviously a mainstay and guaranteed goals.

    The midfield is quite weak though and probably the reason Southgate wanted Kane playing deeper to create chances. A lot of workhorse types without much creativity or genuine goal threats. Lingard wasn’t great and Alli often struggles in big matches. Ironically Henderson played well and England struggled when he went off.

    Sterling is dangerous yet the most unpredictable player at that level. He always poses a threat however his notorious end product let’s him down. Rashford showed glimpses but not given a real run for England.

    It's scary that I pretty much fully agree with this, and it's this wet wipe saying it...
    Thorny wrote: »
    Walker is a right back who isn’t great defensively and it proved England’s downfall against Croatia and almost costly against Tunisia.

    Despite his huge error, Stones looked good throughout. Maguire was an absolute standout however was Lucky not to be booked twice for diving. Unusual to see a centre back from Britain diving. However best player for England.

    The defence looks absolutely fine and Pickford was superb throughout. Left wing back may need addressed however.

    Kane will become one of the best in the world when he lifts his head up more often. Extremely greedy and if he passed to Sterling, it’s probably game over. Happens too often with him however he’s obviously a mainstay and guaranteed goals.

    The midfield is quite weak though and probably the reason Southgate wanted Kane playing deeper to create chances. A lot of workhorse types without much creativity or genuine goal threats. Lingard wasn’t great and Alli often struggles in big matches. Ironically Henderson played well and England struggled when he went off.

    Sterling is dangerous yet the most unpredictable player at that level. He always poses a threat however his notorious end product let’s him down. Rashford showed glimpses but not given a real run for England.

    It's scary that I pretty much fully agree with this, and it's this wet wipe saying it...

    :D:D:D I thought the exact same - it's like an alter-ego

    I prefer this side to him - he seems very reasonable

    Give it 5, he will redeem himself I'm sure
  • Rossco160715
    3203 posts National Call-Up
    Yeah Alli didn't have a great tournament - he seemed to be injured throughout

    RLC is a very intriguing player - would love him to get a solid season behind him this season

    RLC lacks the workrate for many managers which at times holds him back from developing into a very good footballer. At times, he becomes a luxury and at this level, it doesn’t work. He would have to have an excellent season and players build around him for him to flourish. He certainly has the ability and right now it’s all about the attitude and desire to progress to the next level.

    A lot of this can apply to so many of the English players though which is in significant contrast to young players with less talent but more discipline from larger footballing nations. Southgate seems to get the best out of a lot of them though and if given time he could certainly see a massive improvement.
  • Crowie
    1678 posts Play-Off Hero
    Shezzzzzzz wrote: »
    I think we are really just missing a player in midfield who is, for want of better terms, dangerous and exciting. a player like Messi / Modric / Bale even someone who you can give the ball to and they create chances for either them or someone else.
    Basically, what Dele Alli should be, we need.

    An Eriksen to get the best out of Kane. That might sound mad saying you need to get more from the Golden Boot winner but you do feel he could add more to England with better service.

    Liverpool potentially hold key to see what can be added to current England. Ox would have been a better option in centre mid than Lingard. TAA is a good option at RB and Gomez, as a CB, and Solanke up front based on his England youth level performances, are all players who could be added to squad. However, again, the key is how much game time they are getting to bring on their development in all cases week in week out. I also think likes of Rashford, who should be playing every week now may have development stunted at Utd due to lack of game time.

    The lad Foden at City also well regarded but must be dispiriting looking at what’s in front of him at City.
  • Demon_reborn
    2996 posts National Call-Up
    all this arry kane loving but what did he actually do last night when it mattered?

    kane and alli are so over rated. Kane didnt score once from open play. Alli was leaving henderson exposed and was selfish wnough to play with an injury.

    i was castigated during the tournament for saying harry wasnt good enough. not once did he stretch a croatian defence that had a shambles like Lovren in it.

    Bringing on eric dier was comical when you needed RLC to help keep possesion.

    There was no creativity and minimal wing play.
    only scored 2 goals from open play ffs. this team needs huge surgery but the semi final appearence will paper over those obvious cracks in the armour.
  • Demon_reborn
    2996 posts National Call-Up
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.
  • Zv1k0
    6148 posts Big Money Move
    all this arry kane loving but what did he actually do last night when it mattered?

    Read again and you'll know. Everyone who mentioned him explained it why.
  • Rossco160715
    3203 posts National Call-Up
    Kane is a very good striker when given support and supply. He was more interested in falling to the ground at every opportunity during this World Cup though. A trait which seems to Rio through each Spurs player in all fairness.

    His awareness is appalling though. The amount of times he will hold onto the ball to long or go for goal when he can slide someone in for an easy chance shows a complete lack of footballing awareness.

    As a striker though, he’s deadly.
  • Delboy13710
    10517 posts Has That Special Something
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.

    Don't let your Arsenal blinkers blind you from the fact he's the most prolific striker in the world , he might not do step overs or be called Kaninho . But he does the hardest thing in football better then most score goals, he's a no thrills centre forward who relies on service . Asking him to drop deep is not he's natural game yesterday was crying out for dare I say it a Jonjo Shelvy who has a good passing range , Alli and Lingard are way to similar to both play in a big match against a world class midfield .
    The only way England will improve is when they find a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of a game, was sad to see Pickford hoofing it up the pitch so much in the second half then loose possession 8/10 times then straight on the back foot that's why all the top managers play out from the back even if it means making the odd mistake . Hopefully Wiltshire can re find he's form as he's the only English Midfielder who is capable of being a ball carrier and taking the ball in tight areas and finding a pass .
  • Demon_reborn
    2996 posts National Call-Up
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.

    Don't let your Arsenal blinkers blind you from the fact he's the most prolific striker in the world , he might not do step overs or be called Kaninho . But he does the hardest thing in football better then most score goals, he's a no thrills centre forward who relies on service . Asking him to drop deep is not he's natural game yesterday was crying out for dare I say it a Jonjo Shelvy who has a good passing range , Alli and Lingard are way to similar to both play in a big match against a world class midfield .
    The only way England will improve is when they find a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of a game, was sad to see Pickford hoofing it up the pitch so much in the second half then loose possession 8/10 times then straight on the back foot that's why all the top managers play out from the back even if it means making the odd mistake . Hopefully Wiltshire can re find he's form as he's the only English Midfielder who is capable of being a ball carrier and taking the ball in tight areas and finding a pass .

    hes a prolific goal hanger yes who is the spear head of a full tottenham working soley for him the same way arsenal used to work only for henry.

    when push came to shove for kane to show he was world class he bottle it.

    plain and simple he would have buried that for spurs or should have squared it to sterlong.

    im not slagging him off coz hes a spurs man. i have high praise for trippier, rose, son amd eriksen.

    i just feel kane and alli are abit over rated to be honest.

    they cost england the world cup!
  • aberry1000
    2377 posts Fans' Favourite
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.

    best african team ever
  • Delboy13710
    10517 posts Has That Special Something
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.

    Don't let your Arsenal blinkers blind you from the fact he's the most prolific striker in the world , he might not do step overs or be called Kaninho . But he does the hardest thing in football better then most score goals, he's a no thrills centre forward who relies on service . Asking him to drop deep is not he's natural game yesterday was crying out for dare I say it a Jonjo Shelvy who has a good passing range , Alli and Lingard are way to similar to both play in a big match against a world class midfield .
    The only way England will improve is when they find a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of a game, was sad to see Pickford hoofing it up the pitch so much in the second half then loose possession 8/10 times then straight on the back foot that's why all the top managers play out from the back even if it means making the odd mistake . Hopefully Wiltshire can re find he's form as he's the only English Midfielder who is capable of being a ball carrier and taking the ball in tight areas and finding a pass .

    hes a prolific goal hanger yes who is the spear head of a full tottenham working soley for him the same way arsenal used to work only for henry.

    when push came to shove for kane to show he was world class he bottle it.

    plain and simple he would have buried that for spurs or should have squared it to sterlong.

    im not slagging him off coz hes a spurs man. i have high praise for trippier, rose, son amd eriksen.

    i just feel kane and alli are abit over rated to be honest.

    they cost england the world cup!

    Bottle it ?
    Every striker misses chances seem to remember world class Suarez missing a sitter in the first game .
  • Alex_cr
    5936 posts Big Money Move
    possible future england team:

    sancho rashford sterling
    foden
    oxford RLC
    Sesseg maguire stones Arnold

    pickford

    thats the team i see for the next wc, dynamic,creative and brave on the ball.

    Don't let your Arsenal blinkers blind you from the fact he's the most prolific striker in the world , he might not do step overs or be called Kaninho . But he does the hardest thing in football better then most score goals, he's a no thrills centre forward who relies on service . Asking him to drop deep is not he's natural game yesterday was crying out for dare I say it a Jonjo Shelvy who has a good passing range , Alli and Lingard are way to similar to both play in a big match against a world class midfield .
    The only way England will improve is when they find a midfielder who can dictate the tempo of a game, was sad to see Pickford hoofing it up the pitch so much in the second half then loose possession 8/10 times then straight on the back foot that's why all the top managers play out from the back even if it means making the odd mistake . Hopefully Wiltshire can re find he's form as he's the only English Midfielder who is capable of being a ball carrier and taking the ball in tight areas and finding a pass .

    hes a prolific goal hanger yes who is the spear head of a full tottenham working soley for him the same way arsenal used to work only for henry.

    when push came to shove for kane to show he was world class he bottle it.

    plain and simple he would have buried that for spurs or should have squared it to sterlong.

    im not slagging him off coz hes a spurs man. i have high praise for trippier, rose, son amd eriksen.

    i just feel kane and alli are abit over rated to be honest.

    they cost england the world cup!

    You don’t watch Spurs do you?
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