R94 better than Prime R9

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xeqepex
1134 posts Professional
Completed prime sbc and something went wrong. I played with him over +50 games but he isn't good as R94.

Do you think as mine? My team this.

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  • ha032742
    54663 posts Moderator
    No they are different players.
  • xeqepex
    1134 posts Professional
    edited March 2018
    ha032742 wrote: »
    No they are different players.

    explain a bit please?
  • ha032742
    54663 posts Moderator
    edited March 2018
    xeqepex wrote: »
    ha032742 wrote: »
    No they are different players.

    explain little please?

    One is better at holding up the ball due to the stockier player model whilst the other is better at quick turns around the box due to better agility etc. You can’t play with the 96 exactly the way you did with the 94 and vice versa.
  • coatsy
    32197 posts National Team Captain
    It is not unfeasible that this is the case. Why?


    *Traitgate? Does he have the traits you'd think he'd have?
    *He has significantly worse work rates than the 94? MM vs. ML is a big difference I believe.
    * Placebo? You have greatened expectation for the 96?
    * People are even filthier as opponents against the prime?
    * The stats between the cards are minimal.


    There is tons of factors. It is nothing new an upgraded card can sometimes feel worse. For instance, MvB 91 was way better than 93 for me.
  • Hippyboy6
    19932 posts Club Captain
    xeqepex wrote: »
    ha032742 wrote: »
    No they are different players.

    explain a bit please?

    They have different IG stats, albeit very similar.
  • Rutta
    6914 posts Big Money Move
    ha032742 wrote: »
    xeqepex wrote: »
    ha032742 wrote: »
    No they are different players.

    explain little please?

    One is better at holding up the ball due to the stockier player model whilst the other is better at quick turns around the box due to better agility etc. You can’t play with the 96 exactly the way you did with the 94 and vice versa.

    This makes sense and seems logical.

    I've used neither
  • Dinksy
    2348 posts Fans' Favourite
    hopefully traits get sorted out
  • Shane
    24161 posts Player of the Year
    I like the 96 more because his dribbling feels a lot better
  • bad pack luck
    2827 posts Fans' Favourite
    Marshall89HD says TOTY CR7 is better than prime R9.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDJhS8URmjA
  • Whoman
    6051 posts Big Money Move
    Marshall89HD says TOTY CR7 is better than prime R9.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDJhS8URmjA

    Letting slide the fact that testing them in the same team together rather than in succession is pretty non-scientific even for Youtube standards and that personal bias and playstyle play a huge part in these things as does sample size ... (or that he puts Aggression as a con for a striker)

    Why wouldn't he be better, considering he has better ratings (150 sth more IGS), especially passing and physical ?

    He is also still a bit more expensive (than the SBC version, nobody should be stupid enough to buy him off the market for 15 mio if he ever pops up), depending on what you pack doing the SBC even considerably more. I mean, i did mine for pretty much exactly 2.5 on release so i'm more than fine with my favourite player's best card being slightly worse than the other Ronaldo, if that is indeed the case ;)
  • murazor
    7860 posts League Winner
    I doubt 96 is worse than 94 even I still own the 94 and I ll probably never complete the SBC for his prime. The main reason is I dont have enough time to do it. In my spare time I rather play than completing 12 SBCs.
    There is only one certain thing that is better on 94. Workrates. I have prime Henry who is M/M also but I ve never had any problems with his runs.
    I think I ve played against his prime for about 10 times already and he has a pain to defend against. Even when the opponent was bad. They are both great cards. One maybe fits your style better than the other.
    Another thing that might make his prime worse is the fact that he misses some traits. But I dont think thats a known fact.
    94 s hair is better tho :trollface:
  • Libguy
    5380 posts Big Money Move
    Same card, different hair cut. I used them back to back and couldn't really tell any difference. I was using marksman on both. Maybe if you did something like sniper on the 96, finisher on the 94, you'd start to notice something a bit different with the dribbling / strength.

    What worries me about the 96 is the less composure and aggression. Are those important? I don't know (it'd be nice if EA told us what exactly they do).

    I sort of want to do the 96 just because I like first-owner cards. But the possibility that he has no traits worries me. I'd be a lot more eager to do the 96 if EA came out and said "Sorry! Adding traits to the Prime Icons now! LOL! ROFL!"
  • Maverick
    10355 posts Has That Special Something
    i think @WFCBagnall got an answer from andy about traits?
  • murazor
    7860 posts League Winner
    edited March 2018
    Libguy wrote: »
    Same card, different hair cut. I used them back to back and couldn't really tell any difference. I was using marksman on both. Maybe if you did something like sniper on the 96, finisher on the 94, you'd start to notice something a bit different with the dribbling / strength.

    What worries me about the 96 is the less composure and aggression. Are those important? I don't know (it'd be nice if EA told us what exactly they do).

    I sort of want to do the 96 just because I like first-owner cards. But the possibility that he has no traits worries me. I'd be a lot more eager to do the 96 if EA came out and said "Sorry! Adding traits to the Prime Icons now! LOL! ROFL!"

    I think higher composure means less stupid misses.
    I also think aggresion is really important in a shoulder to shoulder duel with a defender. Higher aggresion bigger chances of winning the ball.
  • Libguy
    5380 posts Big Money Move
    Maverick wrote: »
    i think @WFCBagnall got an answer from andy about traits?

    Unless I've missed something, EA's position is that it's just a visual glitch. I also found a post on the forums from a while ago where somebody explained that a bunch of the old traits (like speed dribbler) just aren't showing up in the game anymore (for regular players and Icons - I haven't really investigated this myself, but I did notice that R9 doesn't display speed dribbler). Are they still in the game, but just don't show up? Have they been removed from the game? Don't know.

    The big problem is Roberto Carlos doesn't have the right animation for the power (driven?) free kick. So whatever EA tells us, it's sort of hard to swallow given that. That's sort of a tenuous position to hold: "Hey, everything is fine and it's all visual . . . except for that one that you can actually see in game . . . uh, that one has a problem . . . but everything else is fine! Buy points!"
  • Libguy
    5380 posts Big Money Move
    murazor wrote: »
    Libguy wrote: »
    Same card, different hair cut. I used them back to back and couldn't really tell any difference. I was using marksman on both. Maybe if you did something like sniper on the 96, finisher on the 94, you'd start to notice something a bit different with the dribbling / strength.

    What worries me about the 96 is the less composure and aggression. Are those important? I don't know (it'd be nice if EA told us what exactly they do).

    I sort of want to do the 96 just because I like first-owner cards. But the possibility that he has no traits worries me. I'd be a lot more eager to do the 96 if EA came out and said "Sorry! Adding traits to the Prime Icons now! LOL! ROFL!"

    I think higher composure means less stupid misses.
    I also think aggresion is really important in a shoulder to shoulder duel with a defender. Higher aggresion bigger chances of winning the ball.

    Yeah, and I wonder if aggression has to do with how eager players are to pick up loose balls in their vicinity. It could be really important and the 94 has a lot more aggression than the 96. But it's hard to say, absent more information about what aggression does and doesn't do.
  • EddieFicio
    22917 posts Club Captain
    The thing that leads me to believe that the issue is isolated to roberto carlos is that as far as I know all versions of Matthaus have same power free kick stance on fks, be it base middle or prime, sbc or off the market.
  • Libguy
    5380 posts Big Money Move
    EddieFicio wrote: »
    The thing that leads me to believe that the issue is isolated to roberto carlos is that as far as I know all versions of Matthaus have same power free kick stance on fks, be it base middle or prime, sbc or off the market.

    And EA did have to do something to him to give him the el tornado or whatever the hell it's called. Maybe they screwed up something doing that.
  • ha032742
    54663 posts Moderator
    murazor wrote: »
    Libguy wrote: »
    Same card, different hair cut. I used them back to back and couldn't really tell any difference. I was using marksman on both. Maybe if you did something like sniper on the 96, finisher on the 94, you'd start to notice something a bit different with the dribbling / strength.

    What worries me about the 96 is the less composure and aggression. Are those important? I don't know (it'd be nice if EA told us what exactly they do).

    I sort of want to do the 96 just because I like first-owner cards. But the possibility that he has no traits worries me. I'd be a lot more eager to do the 96 if EA came out and said "Sorry! Adding traits to the Prime Icons now! LOL! ROFL!"

    I think higher composure means less stupid misses.
    I also think aggresion is really important in a shoulder to shoulder duel with a defender. Higher aggresion bigger chances of winning the ball.

    I used the 94 for over 500 games and against every elite CB like TOTY Ramos, prime Rio etc. he came off worse shoulder to shoulder...same as the 96. The 94 has only like 10 more aggression and it’s still something poor like 56 :D

    Don’t disagree with the haircut bit though :#
    EddieFicio wrote: »
    The thing that leads me to believe that the issue is isolated to roberto carlos is that as far as I know all versions of Matthaus have same power free kick stance on fks, be it base middle or prime, sbc or off the market.

    Yes, Matthaus does have the same stance for both...I checked as tried the prime from the market before doing his SBC.
  • pittphan
    3023 posts National Call-Up
    EA need to fix the traits ASAP. This is the premium card in the game. R9 prime should be lightning quick and super hard to take off the ball. He should have the power of CR7 and the quick turning of neymar/messi.

    I have him and he is amazing no matter what due to his finishing... but his dribbling should be better.
  • L3vi88
    985 posts Semi-Pro
    My 96 is going through a rough patch. Every low driven is straight at the keeper no matter what angle it’s from.
  • Whoman
    6051 posts Big Money Move
    L3vi88 wrote: »
    My 96 is going through a rough patch. Every low driven is straight at the keeper no matter what angle it’s from.

    Then maybe try sth else ? I mean, there are different ways to score.
  • Choepiechakie
    33891 posts National Team Captain
    If you call 94 ronaldo r94, why dont you call his prime R96?
  • xeqepex
    1134 posts Professional
    If you call 94 ronaldo r94, why dont you call his prime R96?

    Oh no may be you will understand R96 means Cristiano Ronaldo 96
  • Choepiechakie
    33891 posts National Team Captain
    xeqepex wrote: »
    If you call 94 ronaldo r94, why dont you call his prime R96?

    Oh no may be you will understand R96 means Cristiano Ronaldo 96

    And R94 is the nif then?
  • xeqepex
    1134 posts Professional
    xeqepex wrote: »
    If you call 94 ronaldo r94, why dont you call his prime R96?

    Oh no may be you will understand R96 means Cristiano Ronaldo 96

    And R94 is the nif then?

    Are u serious?
    everyone understood that but you?
    R94 = Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima

  • DougInskip
    9791 posts Has That Special Something
    Call him Fenomeno.
  • Matt_Cornwall
    3952 posts National Call-Up
    I really wanted to do R96 but decided to just buy the 94. For 20 ig's it didn't seem worth it
  • bad pack luck
    2827 posts Fans' Favourite
    Watching that gorilla guy stream on twitch and he's benched the 96 in favor of 94 on his team.
  • Galactus
    210 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    xeqepex wrote: »
    If you call 94 ronaldo r94, why dont you call his prime R96?

    Oh no may be you will understand R96 means Cristiano Ronaldo 96

    Wouldnt that be cr7 96 same as toty ronaldo is referred to as cr7 toty and not r99
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