Has Jurgen Klopp Justified His Wages?

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  • ccvcbb
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.
  • Retro_G
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    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    My source is only for the Europa League for United

    Yeah, and? Your source clearly states the "£77.5m windfall" was calculated based off of TV rights and (erroneously interpretation) sponsorship deals, not just prize money. I even quoted the relevant part, learn to read
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    Last season CL TV money earned by English teams ranged from €24-50million depending on performances. [1] That figure will only increase this season because of the new CL TV deal [2]. Participation in the in the group stage of the CL nets you £11.27million[3] in prize money, so the rest of the "£50million" the Mirror is claiming is from TV money, not prize money.

    The "£22m bonus" from Adidas they state is not a bonus at all as I clearly stated before. United agreed a £75million a year deal with Adidas in 2014. The deal stipulated that if United failed to qualify from the CL in 2016/17 they receive a penalty of a 30% reduction in the deal which amounts to ~ £22-23million. Because of Mourinho's abysmal form in the league United were facing the prospect of being levied this penalty. Winning the EL didn't yield a "bonus", it simply prevented a penalty due to their poor league form.

    So when talking solely about prize money (which is what this discussion is about), then even your own sources state United received £16million.
    Retro_G wrote: »
    you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    My sources for prize money for the FA Cup[5], the League Cup[6], The Champions League[3] and The Europa League[7] and PL[8]

    [1]
    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/51/12/21/2511221_DOWNLOAD.pdf
    [2]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39177581
    [3]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2493261.html#/
    [4]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html
    [5]
    http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefacup/more/prize-fund
    [6]
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/carabao-cup-prize-money-final-11902122
    [7]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html
    [8]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40125394


    Next time come with facts buddy or you just end up getting embarrassed. We are talking about prize money. If I included TV money and sponsorship money then Klopps figures would run into the £100s of millions :D Uniteds Adidas deal was agreed under van Gaal, not Jose. So he gets zero credit for that. While under Klopp Liverpool have agreed a number of lucrative deals. Don't make this worse for yourself and make me bring up those numbers and blow Mourinho out even further, I'm trying to be nice :D

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?

    He clearly can't count, time to get out that abacus @Rhodesia. :joy:
  • SDoofus
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    edited March 2018
    Retro_G wrote: »
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    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.
    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.

    Would you go away with Klopp sales. :D Your board sold the players, not Klopp. Going by your numbers there is 66 million in it, that's nothing. Like I said José's spending brought silverware, was justified. Klopp's spending brought nothing but ridicule.

    You what? That doesn't change anything. I really do not understand why you guys keep completely ignoring net spend, I mean, it is extremely relevant to the whole debate. Yeah, maybe there's only £66 million in it, in terms of players coming in, but in terms of players going out, the difference is massive. Do you think you'd be as good without De Gea, or Pogba?



  • SDoofus
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.
  • ccvcbb
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.
  • SDoofus
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?
  • ccvcbb
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?

    I'd be surprised if he didn't win league, you had a top tier attack. Mourinho is best manager to sort out a defence
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?

    Your figures are not from my sources at all. Have no idea where you pulled that **** from

    So As of today, Klopp at Liverpool:

    FA CUP:
    £67,500+£67,500+£67,500= £202 500

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£50,000= £75,000

    Premier League:
    £16.1million+ £33.1million= £49million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*2)+(€120,000*4)+€600,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€3.5 million=€11.6million/£10.2million

    Champions League
    €2milllion+€12.7 million+(€1.5 million*3)+(€500,000*3)+€6 million+€6.5 million=€33.2million/£29.4million

    Total: ~£90-91million

    As of today Jose Mourinho at United

    FA CUP:
    £180,000+£180,000= £360,000

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£100,000= £125,000

    Premier League:
    £29.1million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*4)+€300,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€6.5 million=€14.6million/£12.9million

    Champions League
    €12.7 million+(€1.5 million*5)+€6 million=€26.2million/£23million

    Total: ~£64-65million

    So I miscalculated by £3-4million.






  • SDoofus
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    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?

    I'd be surprised if he didn't win league, you had a top tier attack. Mourinho is best manager to sort out a defence

    What? Who would this top tier attack be?
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    edited March 2018
    SDoofus wrote: »
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    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.
    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.

    Would you go away with Klopp sales. :D Your board sold the players, not Klopp. Going by your numbers there is 66 million in it, that's nothing. Like I said José's spending brought silverware, was justified. Klopp's spending brought nothing but ridicule.

    You what? That doesn't change anything. I really do not understand why you guys keep completely ignoring net spend, I mean, it is extremely relevant to the whole debate. Yeah, maybe there's only £66 million in it, in terms of players coming in, but in terms of players going out, the difference is massive. Do you think you'd be as good without De Gea, or Pogba?



    We lost a legend, Rooney had to be replaced. Matic was brought in for an ageing Carrick. We're going through a transitional period, have lost lots of players over the last few years.

    You might aswell count Clubs total revenue, if you're going to include player sales. United turned over 581.2 million for the last financial year, that dwarfs every other team. Our club generates the money that's needed to be spent. We don't need to offload our best players to balance the books.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.
    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.

    Would you go away with Klopp sales. :D Your board sold the players, not Klopp. Going by your numbers there is 66 million in it, that's nothing. Like I said José's spending brought silverware, was justified. Klopp's spending brought nothing but ridicule.

    You what? That doesn't change anything. I really do not understand why you guys keep completely ignoring net spend, I mean, it is extremely relevant to the whole debate. Yeah, maybe there's only £66 million in it, in terms of players coming in, but in terms of players going out, the difference is massive. Do you think you'd be as good without De Gea, or Pogba?



    We lost a legend, Rooney had to be replaced. Matic was brought in for an ageing Carrick. We're going through a transitional period, have lost lots of players over the last few years.

    You might aswell count Clubs total revenue, if you're going to include sales. United turned over 581.2 million for the last financial year, that dwarfs every other team. Our club generates the money that's needed to be spent. We don't need to offload our best players to balance the books.

    THAT'S MY POINT. So Jose has a big advantage over Klopp, no?
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    It's phenomenal how all these angry United fans keep trying to hit back at @Rhodesia, only to get shut down time and time again. Some of them have seen sense enough to stop replying now, but a few stragglers remain.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?

    Your figures are not from my sources at all. Have no idea where you pulled that **** form

    So As of today, Klopp at Liverpool:

    FA CUP:
    £67,500+£67,500+£67,500= £202 500

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£50,000= £75,000

    Premier League:
    £16.1million+ £33.1million= £49million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*2)+(€120,000*4)+€600,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€3.5 million=€11.6million/£10.2million

    Champions League
    €2milllion+€12.7 million+(€1.5 million*3)+(€500,000*3)+€6 million+€6.5 million=€33.2million/£29.4million

    Total: ~£90-91million

    As of today Jose Mourinho at United

    FA CUP:
    £180,000+£180,000= £360,000

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£100,000= £125,000

    Premier League:
    £29.1million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*4)+€300,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€6.5 million=€14.6million/£12.9million

    Champions League
    €12.7 million+(€1.5 million*5)+€6 million=€26.2million/£23million

    Total: ~£64-65million

    So I miscalculated by £3-4million.

    You’re 30m out on Europa league alone. Clueless troll can’t even use a calculator. Good work.

    70955.gif

    You have zero comprehension skills, it's actually outstanding. Any source stating United earned "£40million" from the Europa League are including marketpool , which is TV rights money. Not prize money. If you actually read my sources, which you clearly didn't, and knew how to add up, which you clearly don't, you'd see that United earned €14million from Europa League prize money. I haven't included TV rights money for Klopp either. We've already went over this, learn to read kiddo.

    I’ll go through it all and correct you later. PL prize money varies very little between a few places so as Klopp has won absolutely nothing, it won’t be difficult to correct you.
  • ViVaWhom
    7896 posts League Winner
    edited March 2018
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    ViVaWhom wrote: »
    I do like how committed @Rhodesia is, he keep proving me wrong.8080655_t.jpg

    Thanks pal

    Retro_G wrote: »

    He clearly can't count, time to get out that abacus @Rhodesia. :joy:

    Maybe if either of you two morons actually read the sources you'd see you're both wrong :D I also love how you're terrified of me, you can't even reply to my posts.

    i havent said anything but egg you on to waste your time :lol:
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?

    Your figures are not from my sources at all. Have no idea where you pulled that **** form

    So As of today, Klopp at Liverpool:

    FA CUP:
    £67,500+£67,500+£67,500= £202 500

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£50,000= £75,000

    Premier League:
    £16.1million+ £33.1million= £49million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*2)+(€120,000*4)+€600,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€3.5 million=€11.6million/£10.2million

    Champions League
    €2milllion+€12.7 million+(€1.5 million*3)+(€500,000*3)+€6 million+€6.5 million=€33.2million/£29.4million

    Total: ~£90-91million

    As of today Jose Mourinho at United

    FA CUP:
    £180,000+£180,000= £360,000

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£100,000= £125,000

    Premier League:
    £29.1million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*4)+€300,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€6.5 million=€14.6million/£12.9million

    Champions League
    €12.7 million+(€1.5 million*5)+€6 million=€26.2million/£23million

    Total: ~£64-65million

    So I miscalculated by £3-4million.

    You’re 30m out on Europa league alone. Clueless troll can’t even use a calculator. Good work.

    70955.gif

    You have zero comprehension skills, it's actually outstanding. Any source stating United earned "£40million" from the Europa League are including marketpool , which is TV rights money. Not prize money. If you actually read my sources, which you clearly didn't, and knew how to add up, which you clearly don't, you'd see that United earned €14million from Europa League prize money. I haven't included TV rights money for Klopp either. We've already went over this, learn to read kiddo.

    I’ll go through it all and correct you later. PL prize money varies very little between a few places so as Klopp has won absolutely nothing, it won’t be difficult to correct you.

    Later, aka never, aka hoping it'll be forgotten about.
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?

    Your figures are not from my sources at all. Have no idea where you pulled that **** form

    So As of today, Klopp at Liverpool:

    FA CUP:
    £67,500+£67,500+£67,500= £202 500

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£50,000= £75,000

    Premier League:
    £16.1million+ £33.1million= £49million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*2)+(€120,000*4)+€600,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€3.5 million=€11.6million/£10.2million

    Champions League
    €2milllion+€12.7 million+(€1.5 million*3)+(€500,000*3)+€6 million+€6.5 million=€33.2million/£29.4million

    Total: ~£90-91million

    As of today Jose Mourinho at United

    FA CUP:
    £180,000+£180,000= £360,000

    League Cup:
    £25,000+£100,000= £125,000

    Premier League:
    £29.1million

    Europa League:
    €2.6 million+(€360,000*4)+€300,000+€500,000+€750,000+€1 million+€1.5 million+€6.5 million=€14.6million/£12.9million

    Champions League
    €12.7 million+(€1.5 million*5)+€6 million=€26.2million/£23million

    Total: ~£64-65million

    So I miscalculated by £3-4million.

    You’re 30m out on Europa league alone. Clueless troll can’t even use a calculator. Good work.

    70955.gif

    You have zero comprehension skills, it's actually outstanding. Any source stating United earned "£40million" from the Europa League are including marketpool , which is TV rights money. Not prize money. If you actually read my sources, which you clearly didn't, and knew how to add up, which you clearly don't, you'd see that United earned €14million from Europa League prize money. I haven't included TV rights money for Klopp either. We've already went over this, learn to read kiddo.

    I’ll go through it all and correct you later. PL prize money varies very little between a few places so as Klopp has won absolutely nothing, it won’t be difficult to correct you.

    How can you "correct me" if I'm directly pulling figures from those sources :D It's actually impossible. I await your inevitable silence when the cold hard truth sets in.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    Some of us have jobs. I wouldn’t expect you to know about that though.

    You joined after me yet have 17300 more posts :D Is your "job" posting on this forum?

    Well spotted. Christ, that's a LOT of posts.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    edited March 2018
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »

    Some of us have jobs. I wouldn’t expect you to know about that though.

    You joined after me yet have 17300 more posts :D Is your "job" posting on this forum?

    Pretty much. But it’s tough to relate multiple sources, screengrabs etc on a phone.

    I want it to be water tight so you can’t try and get out of it again.
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.
    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.

    Would you go away with Klopp sales. :D Your board sold the players, not Klopp. Going by your numbers there is 66 million in it, that's nothing. Like I said José's spending brought silverware, was justified. Klopp's spending brought nothing but ridicule.

    You what? That doesn't change anything. I really do not understand why you guys keep completely ignoring net spend, I mean, it is extremely relevant to the whole debate. Yeah, maybe there's only £66 million in it, in terms of players coming in, but in terms of players going out, the difference is massive. Do you think you'd be as good without De Gea, or Pogba?



    We lost a legend, Rooney had to be replaced. Matic was brought in for an ageing Carrick. We're going through a transitional period, have lost lots of players over the last few years.

    You might aswell count Clubs total revenue, if you're going to include sales. United turned over 581.2 million for the last financial year, that dwarfs every other team. Our club generates the money that's needed to be spent. We don't need to offload our best players to balance the books.

    THAT'S MY POINT. So Jose has a big advantage over Klopp, no?

    We lost two of our best players due to age, who had to be replaced. You lost one since Klopp signed, you're the 8th richest club in the world, also don't need to sell your best players. It's just that you're not winning major trophies, so your best players force a move. You've only yourselves to blame for your predicament. The only advantage Josè has is the allure of a big club, who're still relevant and with regards to transfers.
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?

    I'd be surprised if he didn't win league, you had a top tier attack. Mourinho is best manager to sort out a defence

    What? Who would this top tier attack be?

    bobby f & coutinho
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?

    I'd be surprised if he didn't win league, you had a top tier attack. Mourinho is best manager to sort out a defence

    What? Who would this top tier attack be?

    bobby f & coutinho

    Firmino wasn't even a striker before Klopp came in. Rodgers had him playing wing back at one point. You really think Mourinho would have converted him into a forward? Doubt it. Coutinho is the only one, and he will have wanted to go to Barcelona regardless.
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!

    But he wasn't worth 100+, it's an unfair observation. Klopp has spent the money, regardless of Coutinho is my ultimate point. Funds were there, it just so happens that Coutinho wanted to take the step up and play for a bigger club. There was no point where Liverpool had to sell Coutinho to fund the players you brought in, he was last one out the door.

    Which doesn't change anything. If Coutinho stayed, the squad would be stronger for it. That's the point. If De Gea decided he felt the same way as Coutinho, it would be the same for you.

    would be different, de gea is top drawer. Would be very hard to find a replacement, whereas you'd already got your replacement for Coutinho before he left.

    You're missing the point entirely. The point is, net spend is extremely relevent. Maybe it was skewed a bit, with the Coutinho money being so high, but even if his price was halved, and we sold him for around £60 million instead, the difference between United and Liverpool would still be very big in terms of net spend. It cannot be viewed as anything else but a big advantage.

    Put it this way, do you think Jose would have 3 trophies and Liverpool sitting 2nd in the table right now if he joined instead of Klopp?

    I'd be surprised if he didn't win league, you had a top tier attack. Mourinho is best manager to sort out a defence

    What? Who would this top tier attack be?

    bobby f & coutinho

    Firmino wasn't even a striker before Klopp came in. Rodgers had him playing wing back at one point. You really think Mourinho would have converted him into a forward? Doubt it. Coutinho is the only one, and he will have wanted to go to Barcelona regardless.

    he wouldn't have, under mourinho he'd have won trophies.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    edited March 2018
    Net spend is such an awful barometer. People use it to justify their argument. Normally Arsenal fans.

    A few big sales doesn’t fix awful signings that a manager chose.

    Everton are a perfect example this season. Spent nearly 200m!! And they are ****!
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    End of the day, you shouldn't really compare Klopp to Mourinho, he should be compared more to Pochattino because both are doing a similar job, albeit with less resources at spurs and both haven't won anything. End of the day, Mourinho is a multiple champions league winner, he's never been relegated, he's won every top league there is to win.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Net spend is such an awful barometer. People use it to justify their argument. Normally Arsenal fans.

    A few big sales doesn’t fix awful signings that a manager chose.

    Everton are a perfect example this season. Spent nearly 200m!! And they are ****!

    That's not the case under Klopp, though, so it is irrelevant in this case.

    Klopp's signings have largely been fantastic.

    Van Dijk has come in and is far and away our best centre back. It is still early days, but the signs are very good.

    Salah was a phenomenal signing. £35-40 million for a winger/forward who's scored 32 goals and provided 9 assists in just 8 months.

    Mane was a fantastic signing, he's scored 14 goals and provided 6 assists this season so far, and last season, he scored 13 goals and provided 5 assists. He was only £34 million.

    Robertson is far and away the best LB we've had for years and was an absolute steal at just £8-9 million. Laugh all you want, but, imo, he's one of the best LBs in the League, comfortably.

    The jury is still out on £35 million Oxlade-Chamberlain, although, in my opinion, he's been quite a good signing for us and has actually put up better numbers in 7 months under Klopp than he did in any of his seasons at Arsenal. There's a lot of potential still there, and personally I am pretty excited about him. He's shown glimpses of what he's capable of, such as his performance against Man City at Anfield.

    Wijnaldum has been an integral part of Klopp's project so far, for £27 million. Last season, he contributed to 15 PL goals from CM. This season, he's been overtaken by Can/Chamberlain, and he remains a vital member of our squad.

    Matip was free and is our 2nd best CB.

    Karius was only like, £5 million, and he had a nightmare of a debut season, where he was quickly replaced by Mignolet, but, credit to him, he's got the number 1 jersey now and his performances have really skyrocketed since Mignolet was told he's no longer the number 1 GK. Has to be viewed as a good signing, currently.

    Klavan (CB) was just a cheap back up option. So was Manninger (GK). Grujic has been unlucky with injuries and Solanke has been a bit underwhelming, but he's very young and didn't cost much at all.

    I'm pretty confident that Naby Keita will be a fantastic signing too.

    Klopp's done exceptionally in the transfer market.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    edited March 2018
    SDoofus wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Net spend is such an awful barometer. People use it to justify their argument. Normally Arsenal fans.

    A few big sales doesn’t fix awful signings that a manager chose.

    Everton are a perfect example this season. Spent nearly 200m!! And they are ****!

    That's not the case under Klopp, though, so it is irrelevant in this case.

    Klopp's signings have largely been fantastic.

    Van Dijk has come in and is far and away our best centre back. It is still early days, but the signs are very good.

    Salah was a phenomenal signing. £35-40 million for a winger/forward who's scored 32 goals and provided 9 assists in just 8 months.

    Mane was a fantastic signing, he's scored 14 goals and provided 6 assists this season so far, and last season, he scored 13 goals and provided 5 assists. He was only £34 million.

    Robertson is far and away the best LB we've had for years and was an absolute steal at just £8-9 million. Laugh all you want, but, imo, he's one of the best LBs in the League, comfortably.

    The jury is still out on £35 million Oxlade-Chamberlain, although, in my opinion, he's been quite a good signing for us and has actually put up better numbers in 7 months under Klopp than he did in any of his seasons at Arsenal. There's a lot of potential still there, and personally I am pretty excited about him. He's shown glimpses of what he's capable of, such as his performance against Man City at Anfield.

    Wijnaldum has been an integral part of Klopp's project so far, for £27 million. Last season, he contributed to 15 PL goals from CM. This season, he's been overtaken by Can/Chamberlain, and he remains a vital member of our squad.

    Matip was free and is our 2nd best CB.

    Karius was only like, £5 million, and he had a nightmare of a debut season, where he was quickly replaced by Mignolet, but, credit to him, he's got the number 1 jersey now and his performances have really skyrocketed since Mignolet was told he's no longer the number 1 GK. Has to be viewed as a good signing, currently.

    Klavan (CB) was just a cheap back up option. So was Manninger (GK). Grujic has been unlucky with injuries and Solanke has been a bit underwhelming, but he's very young and didn't cost much at all.

    I'm pretty confident that Naby Keita will be a fantastic signing too.

    Klopp's done exceptionally in the transfer market.

    If that’s them all then fair play. I didn’t really mean Liverpool with that comment, more in general.

    Spurs spent the Bale money on so much meh. Liverpool badly spent the Torres money. Because you’ve done well, doesn’t mean the signings are exempt.

    Look at Arsenal over recent years, their signings have been dreadful.

    Xhaka
    Mustafi
    Perez
    Chambers
    Welbz
    Debauchy

    But because they sell players for a lot and go on about net spend and how hampered they are by the stadium, these types of transfers get overlooked.
  • Kman
    2830 posts Fans' Favourite
    I’d say it’s solid commitment from Rhodesia but realistically he has has nothing else going on in his life so good for you lad have a gold :star:
  • Gervonta
    3734 posts National Call-Up
    Why is Alexis Sanchez judged on performing only on the pitch but klopp success is based off the pitch? :smiley:

    Managers Justifying their wages for a top club is by delivering trophies. United , Liverpool , City , chelsea don’t want a little profits they want trophies being delivered which is something klopp is not doing and has lost 3 finals out of 3 which shows him hes very over hyped. it’s all good smashing teams like Porto 5-0 but when it actually matters in finals he gets found out.
  • Shehraj
    5733 posts Big Money Move
    edited March 2018
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Why is Alexis Sanchez judged on performing only on the pitch but klopp success is based off the pitch? :smiley:

    Managers Justifying their wages for a top club is by delivering trophies. United , Liverpool , City , chelsea don’t want a little profits they want trophies being delivered which is something klopp is not doing and has lost 3 finals out of 3 which shows him hes very over hyped. it’s all good smashing teams like Porto 5-0 but when it actually matters in finals he gets found out.

    agreed, anyone justifying a manager's performance at a top club based on the financial side is a laughing stock in my opinion, their only job is to improve the first team and challenge for all silverware. There are board members whos job is actually to look at the financial side, so to whoever pointed out earlier that utd's adidas deal doesnt count as it was under lvg but klopps does, wyd?

    The two seasons prior to the fraud's arrival, they finished 2nd and 6th, and average of 4th pace. His two seasons so far have yielded a 8th place finish and a 4th, an average of 6th place. As anyone can see liverpool have shockingly performed worse under your fabled manager than they did under brendan f*cking rogers. Let that sink in.


    Now let that sink in some more.
    But that doesnt matter because they played good football and won many trophies right?
    Trophies obtained: 0

    Meanwhile, mourinho's come in, united have had bad form for the majority of last season and he ended the season qualified for the champions league along with 3 trophies, that will actually count in the clubs record.

    This all does not apply and klopp is doing a fantastic job if liverpool fans are happy qualifying for the champions league, in which case liverpool is no longer a top club ofcourse, which i suspect is the case.

    Edit: To learn more on this subject, @ccvcbb could you do a week by week analysis of LFC's performance, starting with the derby this past weekend?
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Why is Alexis Sanchez judged on performing only on the pitch but klopp success is based off the pitch? :smiley:

    Managers Justifying their wages for a top club is by delivering trophies. United , Liverpool , City , chelsea don’t want a little profits they want trophies being delivered which is something klopp is not doing and has lost 3 finals out of 3 which shows him hes very over hyped. it’s all good smashing teams like Porto 5-0 but when it actually matters in finals he gets found out.

    No one said Klopp's success was based off the pitch, though.

    When I bring up net spend, etc, I am not using it as a barometer of success, I am merely highlighting the handicap Klopp has compared to Mourinho, who manages a club with near enough limitless resources, both in terms of being able to present absolutely massive transfer fee offers, and also sky high wages (plus the additional bonus of being the all-round more alluring club for most players to play for).

    For example, Liverpool stood absolutely no chance of enticing Sanchez to United. In no shape or form would Liverpool be able to offer Alexis £500k a week. Even if we came up with a hypothetical situation where Alexis was literally begging to join us in exchange for £500k a week, we would simply not be able to do it. At United, no one even bat an eyelid at his astronomical demands.

    In other words, it is not a level playing field, is it? You can call this an excuse, but it's literally facts.

    So why should Klopp be called a fraud, etc, when ultimately, he has a job with much more restrictions and barriers? Same goes for Pochettino.

    So forgive me for thinking that the fact Klopp is so near Mourinho in the League is impressive. As it stands, we are further progressed in the CL as well. When you consider the handicap Klopp has compared to Mourinho, it's impressive, is it not?

    I know you'll all just point to the £75 million signing of Van Dijk, and you're right to, but not yet, at least. Klopp has a hell of a lot of catching up to do before he can be said to be on a level playing field with Mourinho, and imo, that'll never happen, based on wage limits alone.

    I've said it time and time again, but who really cares about the EL and EFL cups? The Charity shield? I mean, really? You guys keep clinging to that as the sole reason why Mourinho > Klopp, but if Liverpool won those 3 cups, I literally wouldn't give a ****. We won the EFL cup under Kenny, and I was actually embarrassed at how passionately Gerrard lifted the trophy in the air. It made me cringe.

    On top of that, winning a cup takes a lot of luck along the way. I mean, for example, in the semi finals, didn't Hull have a legitimate goal ruled out? You won by 1 goal... Or was one of your goals offside? I don't remember. Then in the final, Southampton had a legitimate goal ruled out as well, and you won by 1 goal...

    God knows Liverpool have had garbage luck in cup competitions for the longest time. I think we are still repaying the devil for the luck he granted us in the CL in 2005. :D The Chelsea ghost goal, the Gerrard dive in the final resulting in a penalty, and Dudek's miraculous double save in the final seconds of extra time. None of that is on Rafa. That's on luck.
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