Has Jurgen Klopp Justified His Wages?

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  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    finsfan85 wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    finsfan85 wrote: »
    This guy is counting the Community Shield :joy: :joy: :joy:

    Why wouldn't I? The community shield is the hardest domestic trophy to win, you either need to win the league or win the FA Cup to qualify for it. It's a trophy for the elites.

    The match allows for 6 substitutions. It’s essentially another pre-season match.

    Don't bite
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    finsfan85 wrote: »
    This guy is counting the Community Shield :joy: :joy: :joy:

    Why wouldn't I? The community shield is the hardest domestic trophy to win, you either need to win the league or win the FA Cup to qualify for it. It's a trophy for the elites.

    Good point, don't forget the 27 million prize money United earned from winning the UEFA Cup, it also granted Champions League qualification.

    http://www.totalsportek.com/money/europa-league-prize-money/
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.
  • Gervonta
    3734 posts National Call-Up
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.


    BuT FlOpP hAs BeTtEr VaLuE pOiNtS
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.


    BuT FlOpP hAs BeTtEr VaLuE pOiNtS

    >Spend 300million to earn 30million prize money
    >this is value for money
    >this makes sense
    >totally not an invalid

    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.

    Wrong. United fans aren't sending their best. 684775.gif


    As of today:

    Klopp prize money: £90million
    Mourinho prize money: £61million

    I didn't want to bring this up since it would reflect even more badly on United and Jose, but you've hung yourselves with your own noose. So including prize money Klopp made Liverpool a profit of ~£88million. As for Mourinho once net spend is deducted he made United a loss of ~£190million. Lmao.

    We deal in facts on this forum. Anymore unsubstantiated lies will be reported.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.


    BuT FlOpP hAs BeTtEr VaLuE pOiNtS

    >Spend 300million to earn 30million prize money
    >this is value for money
    >this makes sense
    >totally not an invalid

    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.

    Wrong. United fans aren't sending their best. 684775.gif


    As of today:

    Klopp prize money: £90million
    Mourinho prize money: £61million

    I didn't want to bring this up since it would reflect even more badly on United and Jose, but you've hung yourselves with your own noose. So including prize money Klopp made Liverpool a profit of ~£88million. As for Mourinho once net spend is deducted he made United a loss of ~£190million. Lmao.

    We deal in facts on this forum. Anymore unsubstantiated lies will be reported.

    :D
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.


    BuT FlOpP hAs BeTtEr VaLuE pOiNtS

    >Spend 300million to earn 30million prize money
    >this is value for money
    >this makes sense
    >totally not an invalid

    Retro_G wrote: »
    Jose has earned United more prize money than Flopp has Liverpool, in a shorter space of time.

    Wrong. United fans aren't sending their best. 684775.gif


    As of today:

    Klopp prize money: £90million
    Mourinho prize money: £61million

    I didn't want to bring this up since it would reflect even more badly on United and Jose, but you've hung yourselves with your own noose. So including prize money Klopp made Liverpool a profit of ~£88million. As for Mourinho once net spend is deducted he made United a loss of ~£190million. Lmao.

    We deal in facts on this forum. Anymore unsubstantiated lies will be reported.

    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    :D :D :D :D
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    edited March 2018
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League for United, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money, that you still need to prove with a legit source.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money that you still need to prove with a legit source.

    Why do you keep challenging him when he comes back with legit, cold, hard facts each time? Learn your lesson.
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    edited March 2018
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money that you still need to prove with a legit source.

    Why do you keep challenging him when he comes back with legit, cold, hard facts each time? Learn your lesson.

    Because he hasn't posted a source to back up his claims, the fact remains that Jose earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has earned in one season. Jose added to our history with two trophies, is on course to mop up a 2nd place finish.

    Klopp has done nothing but turn you lot into a laughing stock. You have now went five years without a trophy, have finished lower in the league than your previous manager achieved.
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money that you still need to prove with a legit source.

    Why do you keep challenging him when he comes back with legit, cold, hard facts each time? Learn your lesson.

    Because he hasn't posted a source to back up his claims, the fact remains that Jose earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has earned in one season. Jose added to our history with two trophies, is on course to mop up a 2nd place finish.

    Klopp has done nothing but turn you lot into a laughing stock. You have now went five years without a trophy, have finished lower in the league than your previous manager achieved.

    When did mopping up a 2nd place finish become so important?
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money that you still need to prove with a legit source.

    Why do you keep challenging him when he comes back with legit, cold, hard facts each time? Learn your lesson.

    Because he hasn't posted a source to back up his claims, the fact remains that Jose earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has earned in one season. Jose added to our history with two trophies, is on course to mop up a 2nd place finish.

    Klopp has done nothing but turn you lot into a laughing stock. You have now went five years without a trophy, have finished lower in the league than your previous manager achieved.

    Ok, I'm going to ask you a serious question, don't just ignore this like you usually do when you have no comeback.

    How come, when it comes to Jose/United vs Pep/City, you use Pep's spending power, and squad depth as the primary reasons for City being so far ahead of City, but you don't apply the same logic to Jose/United vs Klopp/Liverpool?

    The difference in spending power between United and Liverpool is significantly bigger than the difference between City and United, yet, according to you, Klopp is a flopp but Jose just needs more money to catch up with Pep?

  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    Are you going to post a source to back up your claims? Having delved deeper into what José earned United from his record breaking season, taking into account our 6th place PL finish. It works out at a cool 106 million from one season, that's not even taking into account our league cup winnings, or PL TV money.

    Quite remarkable when you think about it, that's the kind of numbers Flopp could only dream about putting up in one season.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-europa-league-money-10496612

    Wrong. Read your own source kiddo :D :D :D Yours include figures TV rights and sponsorship deals, not just prize money.
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    And even then your figures are still wrong. Manchester United did not receive a £22-23million "bonus" from Adidas. They avoided a penalty from a deal agreed 3 years prior to Mourinho.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html

    My source is only for the Europa League, you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    The fact remains that José earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has ever achieved in one season with Liverpool. José is on course to have another season of winning more prize money than Klopp, while you lot will be in a battle for 4th place.

    By this time next season, Klopp will more than likely already be sacked, because the majority of pool fans agree that he must win a cup. That will give José the necessary time to catch up with Flopps season advantage, far exceed his supposed total prize money that you still need to prove with a legit source.

    Why do you keep challenging him when he comes back with legit, cold, hard facts each time? Learn your lesson.

    Because he hasn't posted a source to back up his claims, the fact remains that Jose earned more prize money in one season than Klopp has earned in one season. Jose added to our history with two trophies, is on course to mop up a 2nd place finish.

    Klopp has done nothing but turn you lot into a laughing stock. You have now went five years without a trophy, have finished lower in the league than your previous manager achieved.

    When did mopping up a 2nd place finish become so important?

    That would be significant progression, the board will be more likely to spend in the summer. Jose just might get all his targets for once.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    No response, @Retro_G?
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    Retro_G wrote: »
    My source is only for the Europa League for United

    Yeah, and? Your source clearly states the "£77.5m windfall" was calculated based off of TV rights and (erroneously interpretation) sponsorship deals, not just prize money. I even quoted the relevant part, learn to read
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    Last season CL TV money earned by English teams ranged from €24-50million depending on performances. [1] That figure will only increase this season because of the new CL TV deal [2]. Participation in the in the group stage of the CL nets you £11.27million[3] in prize money, so the rest of the "£50million" the Mirror is claiming is from TV money, not prize money.

    The "£22m bonus" from Adidas they state is not a bonus at all as I clearly stated before. United agreed a £75million a year deal with Adidas in 2014. The deal stipulated that if United failed to qualify from the CL in 2016/17 they receive a penalty of a 30% reduction in the deal which amounts to ~ £22-23million. Because of Mourinho's abysmal form in the league United were facing the prospect of being levied this penalty. Winning the EL didn't yield a "bonus", it simply prevented a penalty due to their poor league form.

    So when talking solely about prize money (which is what this discussion is about), then even your own sources state United received £16million.
    Retro_G wrote: »
    you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    My sources for prize money for the FA Cup[5], the League Cup[6], The Champions League[3] and The Europa League[7] and PL[8]

    [1]
    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/51/12/21/2511221_DOWNLOAD.pdf
    [2]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39177581
    [3]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2493261.html#/
    [4]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html
    [5]
    http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefacup/more/prize-fund
    [6]
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/carabao-cup-prize-money-final-11902122
    [7]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html
    [8]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40125394


    Next time come with facts buddy or you just end up getting embarrassed. We are talking about prize money. If I included TV money and sponsorship money then Klopps figures would run into the £100s of millions :D Uniteds Adidas deal was agreed under van Gaal, not Jose. So he gets zero credit for that. While under Klopp Liverpool have agreed a number of lucrative deals. Don't make this worse for yourself and make me bring up those numbers and blow Mourinho out even further, I'm trying to be nice :D

  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    He probably won't reply.
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    trophies are what count ultimately and if we're making this a Mourinho comparison with the rest of the league, then he's won 3 trophies at his current club, with only Arsene Wenger being the man to have won more at his current employers and he's been there longer than a lot of you kids have been alive.
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Pep?
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Pep?

    Pep has spent £448 million.
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    My source is only for the Europa League for United

    Yeah, and? Your source clearly states the "£77.5m windfall" was calculated based off of TV rights and (erroneously interpretation) sponsorship deals, not just prize money. I even quoted the relevant part, learn to read
    United will earn £50m from the Champions League in TV rights and prize money, along with the £5.5m windfall for lifting the Europa League trophy, according to the Times .

    As part of their kit sponsorship with Adidas they will also be handed a £22m bonus.

    Last season CL TV money earned by English teams ranged from €24-50million depending on performances. [1] That figure will only increase this season because of the new CL TV deal [2]. Participation in the in the group stage of the CL nets you £11.27million[3] in prize money, so the rest of the "£50million" the Mirror is claiming is from TV money, not prize money.

    The "£22m bonus" from Adidas they state is not a bonus at all as I clearly stated before. United agreed a £75million a year deal with Adidas in 2014. The deal stipulated that if United failed to qualify from the CL in 2016/17 they receive a penalty of a 30% reduction in the deal which amounts to ~ £22-23million. Because of Mourinho's abysmal form in the league United were facing the prospect of being levied this penalty. Winning the EL didn't yield a "bonus", it simply prevented a penalty due to their poor league form.

    So when talking solely about prize money (which is what this discussion is about), then even your own sources state United received £16million.
    Retro_G wrote: »
    you still haven't shown how Klopp earned 90 million in prize money? Did you pull them numbers from your arse, or are you going to post a source?

    My sources for prize money for the FA Cup[5], the League Cup[6], The Champions League[3] and The Europa League[7] and PL[8]

    [1]
    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/51/12/21/2511221_DOWNLOAD.pdf
    [2]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39177581
    [3]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2493261.html#/
    [4]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11003145/Manchester-United-must-reach-Champions-League-within-two-seasons-of-start-of-Adidas-deal-or-face-23m-penalty.html
    [5]
    http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefacup/more/prize-fund
    [6]
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/carabao-cup-prize-money-final-11902122
    [7]
    https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2493323.html
    [8]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40125394


    Next time come with facts buddy or you just end up getting embarrassed. We are talking about prize money. If I included TV money and sponsorship money then Klopps figures would run into the £100s of millions :D Uniteds Adidas deal was agreed under van Gaal, not Jose. So he gets zero credit for that. While under Klopp Liverpool have agreed a number of lucrative deals. Don't make this worse for yourself and make me bring up those numbers and blow Mourinho out even further, I'm trying to be nice :D

    I’m curious how you’ve come to your totals. Based on your sources for last season;


    Liv
    FA CUP
    £7,500.00
    League Cup
    £25,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £0.00
    PL
    £33,007,353.00

    £33,039,853.00

    Utd
    FA CUP
    £180,000.00
    League Cup
    £10,000.00
    CL
    £0.00
    Europa
    £40,000,000.00
    PL
    £29,124,135.00

    £69,314,135.00

    So Jose earnt more than double in the same period?
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2018
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.

    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    this isn't monopoly, you dont get a trophy for making a profit. football is about trophies & klopp has won nothing, case closed. he's only ever signed two good players in Mane & Salah. He's massively benefited from the work Rodgers did before hand, whereas looney louie destroyed this club more than moyes did, money had to be spent

    That's not the point. The point is, if Klopp worked for a Club who could spend such huge sums of money without big money also coming in to offset it, then it stands to reason that he'd do even better, no?

    Imagine Klopp with United's resources.

    Oh poor little Klopp, splashing 75mill on centre backs. Mate, if he were at United then United would be on Liverpool's level.No real chance of winning anything, but a club that neutrals like. Which is the worst thing you can be really.The sale of Coutinho pads his net spend out too much, which is why I didn't use it because it's not relevant really, both managers have spent the same amounts of money practically and only one has one three trophies.

    :D

    Yeah, it "pads" out the net spend because he's an incredible player, ffs.

    Would be like you selling De Gea or Pogba for huge money and then me saying "ah, it pads out the net spend stat". Of course it does, they're huge players and a big loss to the team!

    Just because Klopp's done really well to make it seem as though we aren't missing Coutinho, doesn't mean it wasn't a case of one of our best players leaving the team!
  • ViVaWhom
    7896 posts League Winner
    edited March 2018
    :lol: these valuation threads

    no one is a winner here. I do like how committed @Rhodesia is, making him research stuff for me was fun
  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Retro_G wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    No response, @Retro_G?

    Pmsl, Klopp has spent £215.9 million. José has spent £291 million since June 2016. There is nothing in it kid.

    Jose has won three trophies, that works out at 97 million per piece of silverware, while Flopp, Pep have won no silverware. :joy:

    Where are you getting your figures from?

    Since the beginning of the Summer transfer window of 2016, Mourinho has spent £314 million, whilst Klopp has spent £248 million. That's a difference of £66 million.

    Then you have to factor in Mourinho's £53 million in sales, and Klopp's £252 million in sales.
    Mourinho's net spend is £261 million

    Klopp's net spend is actually a profit of £4 million.

    A difference of £265 million between the two Managers.

    That's massive.

    Edit: It's actually astonishing that Klopp has Liverpool as close to United as they are.

    Would you go away with Klopp sales. :D Your board sold the players, not Klopp. Going by your numbers there is 66 million in it, that's nothing. Like I said José's spending brought silverware, was justified. Klopp's spending brought nothing but ridicule.
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