Has Jurgen Klopp Justified His Wages?

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ccvcbb
101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
Jurgen Klopp earns 135k a week in his current job, which he's been there for over two years. In that time, he's spent £221,300,000 on players, made 3 finals and still has failed to win a single trophy.

The Stats:
Trophies: 0
FA Cup Win Ratio:33.33%
League Cup Win Ratio:58.33%
League Cup Trophies:0
Europe win ratio:52.17%
Europa League trophies:0
Champions League trophies:0
Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages?:No

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  • Retro_G
    28184 posts Player of the Year
    :D
  • Kman
    2830 posts Fans' Favourite
    The man is a fraud clearly
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Next season is the crunch for Kloppo, imo. The squad is now pretty much molded into how he wants it, with more players to follow this summer.

    Pochettino is in a similar situation. Both need a trophy over the next year and a bit.
  • Ahmer50x
    17318 posts World Class
    On track to be the first Liverpool manager to deliver consecutive Champions League qualifications since Rafael Benitez a decade ago.

    So yes, very clearly, he has.
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    On track to be the first Liverpool manager to deliver consecutive Champions League qualifications since Rafael Benitez a decade ago.

    So yes, very clearly, he has.

    Fair point and something to think about - from a business pov, these owners probably prefer regular champions league qualification over trophies.
  • Ahmer50x
    17318 posts World Class
    edited March 2018
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    On track to be the first Liverpool manager to deliver consecutive Champions League qualifications since Rafael Benitez a decade ago.

    So yes, very clearly, he has.

    Fair point and something to think about - from a business pov, these owners probably prefer regular champions league qualification over trophies.

    It's not just good business. Finishing top 4 requires a level of consistency that bodes well for the future.

    It is easier to be consistently better than all but 1-2 teams and then try to figure out how to deal with individual cup ties as you develop your squad than it is to try and translate a lucky cup run into league form.

    Now, the next step for Klopp and Poch is to try and maintain their consistency in the league while fighting for trophies.

    The risk is that they either fail in making that step or take too long and players move on to greener pastures.
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

  • Gervonta
    3734 posts National Call-Up
    No he clearly hasn’t.

    135k a week and out of 3 trophies he could of lifted he lifted 0. You can point too consecutive CL qualifying but Arsene Wenger did that on a consistent basis whilst still lifting the FA cup 14/15 and 15/16 yet still got critisced.

    As shown yesterday klopp has no plan b if the front 3 are nuffilied then they have no back up plan and will struggle to get into the game as a team. His signings have been 50/50.

    defensively fragile as a unit. The 75m signing of VVD has done nothing but cover cracks. Lovren got bullied by lukaku yesterday yet he will still play as klopp failed to recognise the weak link.





  • Robert
    21723 posts Club Captain
    Jürgen Flopp
  • Kman
    2830 posts Fans' Favourite
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

    Lol

  • Gervonta
    3734 posts National Call-Up
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg


    Mourinho has delivered trophies , klopp has not
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

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  • Ahmer50x
    17318 posts World Class
    Gervonta wrote: »
    You can point too consecutive CL qualifying but Arsene Wenger did that on a consistent basis whilst still lifting the FA cup 14/15 and 15/16 yet still got critisced.

    Completely different situations.

    Wenger has, over the past decade or so, taken a team that consistently competed for the title and turned them into a team struggling for Champions League qualification in the 4th-6th range.

    Klopp has partially done the reverse, turning a team that averaged a 7th placed finish over about 5/6 years (putting aside that one year under Brendan) into a side that is consistently 3rd/4th.

    One has their club on a downswing, the other has their club on an upswing.
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    You tried
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Gervonta wrote: »
    You can point too consecutive CL qualifying but Arsene Wenger did that on a consistent basis whilst still lifting the FA cup 14/15 and 15/16 yet still got critisced.

    Completely different situations.

    Wenger has, over the past decade or so, taken a team that consistently competed for the title and turned them into a team struggling for Champions League qualification in the 4th-6th range.

    Klopp has partially done the reverse, turning a team that averaged a 7th placed finish over about 5/6 years (putting aside that one year under Brendan) into a side that is consistently 3rd/4th.

    One has their club on a downswing, the other has their club on an upswing.

    Liverpool are the second biggest club in England, they should not be content or even joyful at the prospect of finishing in the top 4.
  • ViVaWhom
    7896 posts League Winner
    I am sure you get a pretty hefty money for winning the EL, plz include this in your report @Rhodesia

    league is only 1 part of the value for money
  • Rhodesia
    783 posts Semi-Pro
    edited March 2018
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Mourinho has delivered trophies , klopp has not
    ccvcbb wrote: »
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    Tinpot trophies that even Mourinho himself ridiculed

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    ViVaWhom wrote: »
    I am sure you get a pretty hefty money for winning the EL, plz include this in your report @Rhodesia

    league is only 1 part of the value for money

    Wrong, I omitted those figures because I didn't want to make Mouriho's figures worse in comparison to Klopp. If we include EL prize money then we must also include the prize money Klopp and Liverpool received for finishing runners up in 2015/16. Winners get €6,500,000 while the losers get €3,500,000. Given Mourinho has spent in excess of £250million at Manchester United and Klopp made a net profit of £2million , the proportional difference of deducting the two values would have made Klopp's value look even more superior to Mourinho.

    Below is a table of every current PL manager ranked in terms of best value points per yearly wage (£)

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    A below here is a table of every* current PL manager ranked in terms of best value points per net spend (£)

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    Clear proof that not only has he justified his personal wages, he's also the best value manager in the entire league in terms total outlay. Unlike that fraud Mourinho who ranks in the bottom 3 for both metrics.

    Lock this thread, case close. Next time come with facts kiddos.


    *Lambert, Moyes and Pellegrino have been omitted as they are extreme outlierson either end.
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    The end of the day your data is wrong, your pseudo statistics make Pep look like a bad investment. Only stats that matter in football are trophies, United won the treble in Mourinho's first season, Klopp in over three times the time in charge of Liverpool has won nothing. United were in a much worse state squad wise than Liverpool as well.
  • fluffymnuffy
    12518 posts Has That Special Something
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    The end of the day your data is wrong, your pseudo statistics make Pep look like a bad investment. Only stats that matter in football are trophies, United won the treble in Mourinho's first season, Klopp in over three times the time in charge of Liverpool has won nothing. United were in a much worse state squad wise than Liverpool as well.
    what?? No they didn't
  • finsfan85
    12206 posts Has That Special Something
    This guy is counting the Community Shield :joy: :joy: :joy:
  • ViVaWhom
    7896 posts League Winner
    edited March 2018
    ok but did that include the money gained from progressing in cup competition? not just winning it

    plzz just make this concrete
  • ccvcbb
    101 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    finsfan85 wrote: »
    This guy is counting the Community Shield :joy: :joy: :joy:

    Why wouldn't I? The community shield is the hardest domestic trophy to win, you either need to win the league or win the FA Cup to qualify for it. It's a trophy for the elites.
  • Tornado31619
    16491 posts World Class
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

    We're not comparing him to Jose, are we?
  • Gervonta
    3734 posts National Call-Up
    Stats mean nothing really. Statically Liverpool were good yesterday but anyone who actually watched the game saw how poor they were.
  • Tornado31619
    16491 posts World Class
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Stats mean nothing really. Statically Liverpool were good yesterday but anyone who actually watched the game saw how poor they were.

    They weren't even good statistically, they only had possession
  • SDoofus
    4745 posts National Call-Up
    Gervonta wrote: »
    Stats mean nothing really. Statically Liverpool were good yesterday but anyone who actually watched the game saw how poor they were.

    We were? Really. That’s a load of rubbish, to be honest. Our xG was literally less than 1. We had a pathetic 2 shots on target. Which stats were good? Please don’t tell me possession, because United parked the bus, and please don’t tell me shots, because the majority of them were pot shots from outside the flooded box.
  • finsfan85
    12206 posts Has That Special Something
    ccvcbb wrote: »
    finsfan85 wrote: »
    This guy is counting the Community Shield :joy: :joy: :joy:

    Why wouldn't I? The community shield is the hardest domestic trophy to win, you either need to win the league or win the FA Cup to qualify for it. It's a trophy for the elites.

    The match allows for 6 substitutions. It’s essentially another pre-season match.
  • Tamerlane
    5284 posts Big Money Move
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

    We're not comparing him to Jose, are we?

    He has compared him to every manager in the league and Klopp came out as the best. Such outstanding value.
  • Ahmer50x
    17318 posts World Class
    edited March 2018
    Tamerlane wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

    We're not comparing him to Jose, are we?

    He has compared him to every manager in the league and Klopp came out as the best. Such outstanding value.

    Coach lands on the tarmac at the same time as first class. It's clearly the better value. That doesn't mean it's better overall.

    I actually think Klopp has done a better job but this value stuff is complete rubbish from the perspective of a super club.
  • Tamerlane
    5284 posts Big Money Move
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    Tamerlane wrote: »
    Rhodesia wrote: »
    Average cost per point under Klopp: - £10,000. (Actually making FSG a profit per point he wins, insane value)
    Average cost per point under Mourinho: £2million

    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Klopp: £2.7million
    Average cost per point per yearly wage bill under Mourinho: £3.5million


    Klopp cost per point yearly personal wage: £111k
    Mourinho cost per point yearly personal wage: £240k

    Has Jurgen Klopp Justified his Wages? In comparison to Mourinho, 100% yes . Far better value for money.

    Smiling-Klopp.jpg

    We're not comparing him to Jose, are we?

    He has compared him to every manager in the league and Klopp came out as the best. Such outstanding value.

    Coach lands on the tarmac at the same time as first class. It's clearly the better value. That doesn't mean it's better overall.

    I actually think Klopp has done a better job but this value stuff is complete rubbish from the perspective of a super club.

    Abysmal analogy. But I am glad we are on the same page.
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