OT: Any plumbers on here?

OoSUPERDANoO
13870 posts Moderator
Hey all!

Anyone on here a plumber who wouldn’t mind giving some info/advice?

Bought a house, got the keys today. The plumbing system seems ancient and haven’t got a clue! :D

Was wondering if there are any guys knowledgeable in this area to talk me through it! Might need a complete overhaul...

Cheers

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  • SupaNoodle1990
    25537 posts Player of the Year
    Yes, I was a plumber for 8 years.
  • M98H
    11806 posts Has That Special Something
    edited December 2017
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom
  • Blarix
    20804 posts Club Captain
    I actually work in the water industry

    Few questions:

    -are you head of run (first house on the road or rows of houses)
    -if it is not a private issue and there is operational issues you could call in to your waste network provider/clean water.
    -if asset is not private you have little to no chance doing a complete overhaul and only possible way if the system has completely failed. Find out if you have pitch fibre (worst case) or clay as your pipes.

    If it is all private you can pretty much do as you please but will cost you a bomb and beware of private contractor you hire as some will charge you clay but will install either plastic/pitch fibre which cost fraction and usually go bust in few years.

    Hope that helps
  • Blarix
    20804 posts Club Captain
    Unless you are talking about sink etc than that is your asset and you could change it etc
  • OoSUPERDANoO
    13870 posts Moderator
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    It is old mate! If I give you guys a brief explanation then you maybe able to help!

    - boiler. Pretty sure it isn’t combi. Doesn’t give an option to heat water/radiators separately? There is just a high low switch on it... seems I can’t get hot water unless I also have the heating on? Only just got the keys so will investigate further.

    - upstairs. There is a header tank/cistern (super noisy) above what looks like a lagged tank. The lagged tank also has an electrical switch on it? Does this switch need to be on? Meaning I can have hot water without the heating being on too?

    The heating and hot water are both working (great) but if I turn the boiler to ‘off’ to cut the heating, I don’t think it still heats water coming from the tap. Not 100% sure just yet though. There is a heating timer, really old in a separate room, then a thermostat in another room...

    The thermostat seems to be working. So maybe I just have this set to lowest? But have the boiler on? That way the radiators aren’t constantly on and I can still get water?

    Sorry for the rubbish post. If I can give better info let me know :#
  • P
    7162 posts Big Money Move
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    Just get a power flush. Cleans the whole system. Can even add something that can collect the metal from the system but the name escapes me. Only ever put one in :joy:

    I'm an engineer but I've worked as a plumber for over 10 years cause my best mate and my dad both have their own companies.
  • P
    7162 posts Big Money Move
    Dan I think you're looking for an immersion switch. Should be somewhere in the kitchen. Should heat the hit water without the heating on.
  • M98H
    11806 posts Has That Special Something
    edited December 2017
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    Just get a power flush. Cleans the whole system. Can even add something that can collect the metal from the system but the name escapes me. Only ever put one in :joy:

    I'm an engineer but I've worked as a plumber for over 10 years cause my best mate and my dad both have their own companies.

    Done quite a few power flushes when changing boilers, it's certainly a cheaper option, but like I say if it's an old system, rust can easily build up again within the matter of no time. Especially if it is open vented. Probably cheaper in the long run to get a new system and get a guarantee with the install.
    Think it's a mangacleaner you're thinking of that causes the metal to magnetically attract to the filter rather than make its way through the boiler. They're pretty good tbh
  • P
    7162 posts Big Money Move
    edited December 2017
    M98H wrote: »
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    Just get a power flush. Cleans the whole system. Can even add something that can collect the metal from the system but the name escapes me. Only ever put one in :joy:

    I'm an engineer but I've worked as a plumber for over 10 years cause my best mate and my dad both have their own companies.

    Done quite a few power flushes when changing boilers, it's certainly a cheaper option, but like I say if it's an old system, rust can easily build up again within the matter of no time. Especially if it is open vented. Probably cheaper in the long run to get a new system and get a guarantee with the install.
    Think it's a mangacleaner you're thinking of that causes the metal to magnetically attract to the filter rather than make its way through the boiler. They're pretty good tbh

    That's it! the magna cleaner. You know your stuff.

    Yeah I love doing power flushes. Such easy work :joy: can charge some people like 20 quid a rad as well. A complete replumb can be very expensive but you're right if you're just moving in its the best time to do it before new floors and stuff go down.
  • M98H
    11806 posts Has That Special Something
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    Just get a power flush. Cleans the whole system. Can even add something that can collect the metal from the system but the name escapes me. Only ever put one in :joy:

    I'm an engineer but I've worked as a plumber for over 10 years cause my best mate and my dad both have their own companies.

    Done quite a few power flushes when changing boilers, it's certainly a cheaper option, but like I say if it's an old system, rust can easily build up again within the matter of no time. Especially if it is open vented. Probably cheaper in the long run to get a new system and get a guarantee with the install.
    Think it's a mangacleaner you're thinking of that causes the metal to magnetically attract to the filter rather than make its way through the boiler. They're pretty good tbh

    That's it! the magna cleaner. You know your stuff.

    Yeah I love doing power flushes. Such easy work :joy: can charge some people like 20 quid a rad as well. A complete replumb can be very expensive but you're right if you're just moving in its the best time to do it before new floors and stuff go down.

    Some company's charge £400 here.
    Think my grandad was quoted like £700 from British gas. Stupid money.
    So easy to do, also find it weirdly satisfying seeing the sludge and grime from the system empty into the bath and replaced with clean water :joy:
  • Adrian095
    33654 posts National Team Captain
    British gas are fraud
  • P
    7162 posts Big Money Move
    M98H wrote: »
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    P wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    Better off getting a combination system with new rads, all I'd recommend.
    Old systems don't work as well due to rust in the old rads, especially if it's open vented!
    Sludge can build up at the bottom

    Just get a power flush. Cleans the whole system. Can even add something that can collect the metal from the system but the name escapes me. Only ever put one in :joy:

    I'm an engineer but I've worked as a plumber for over 10 years cause my best mate and my dad both have their own companies.

    Done quite a few power flushes when changing boilers, it's certainly a cheaper option, but like I say if it's an old system, rust can easily build up again within the matter of no time. Especially if it is open vented. Probably cheaper in the long run to get a new system and get a guarantee with the install.
    Think it's a mangacleaner you're thinking of that causes the metal to magnetically attract to the filter rather than make its way through the boiler. They're pretty good tbh

    That's it! the magna cleaner. You know your stuff.

    Yeah I love doing power flushes. Such easy work :joy: can charge some people like 20 quid a rad as well. A complete replumb can be very expensive but you're right if you're just moving in its the best time to do it before new floors and stuff go down.

    Some company's charge £400 here.
    Think my grandad was quoted like £700 from British gas. Stupid money.
    So easy to do, also find it weirdly satisfying seeing the sludge and grime from the system empty into the bath and replaced with clean water :joy:

    Haha yeah it's great. I always show the customers it all cause they always love seeing it. Let's them know they got their moneys worth as well.
  • OoSUPERDANoO
    13870 posts Moderator
    I found the switch i was looking for!

    The heater timer has a really small switch on the side to allow the heating be turned off, while the boiler is still on! It's a Randall 103, basically mechanical :D

    The whole lot will get ripped out in due course, just don't have the cash so close to Christmas. There is alot of other work that needs to be prioritised beforehand aswel unfortunately! :s
  • dylwms
    2306 posts Fans' Favourite
    British gas are fraud

    What @Adrian095 said... British Gas recommended my 85 year old grandmother get a hive installed lmao :D
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

  • M98H
    11806 posts Has That Special Something
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

    @WoundedGoat £4000 for a boiler change? :joy:
    What a clown that plumber must have been
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    M98H wrote: »
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

    @WoundedGoat £4000 for a boiler change? :joy:
    What a clown that plumber must have been

    Yep.

    Long story short saw him a few months later and he bought me a pint, couldnt of been more apologetic and came a cross a bit shaky.
  • M98H
    11806 posts Has That Special Something
    M98H wrote: »
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

    @WoundedGoat £4000 for a boiler change? :joy:
    What a clown that plumber must have been

    Yep.

    Long story short saw him a few months later and he bought me a pint, couldnt of been more apologetic and came a cross a bit shaky.

    Boiler changes can be done for like £1500
    Even that's a good days wage for any plumber!
    A shame that a lot of people don't do what you did and used your common sense of getting a second opinion.
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    M98H wrote: »
    M98H wrote: »
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

    @WoundedGoat £4000 for a boiler change? :joy:
    What a clown that plumber must have been

    Yep.

    Long story short saw him a few months later and he bought me a pint, couldnt of been more apologetic and came a cross a bit shaky.

    Boiler changes can be done for like £1500
    Even that's a good days wage for any plumber!
    A shame that a lot of people don't do what you did and used your common sense of getting a second opinion.

    I'll get as many opinions as necassady until I think I'm not getting shafted.
  • Pugzilla
    15001 posts World Class
    Not a plumber but I lay a lot of pipe. What do you need to know?
  • Davey Sprockett
    4341 posts National Call-Up
    M98H wrote: »
    Just be very careful, I had an issue with my boiler last year.

    MIL has a few rental properties so she got a local plumber she had dealt with for years to come out and look at it.

    He turns up, looks at it and says it had it and I'd need a new boiler, £4000 quote. So I said I'll think about it.

    Called British Gas and they came to the same conclusion.

    Finally I called the Manufacturer Worcester and paid £275 to have them come and look at it.

    They came out and found that the plug socket was faulty.

    Called an electrician and it cost £50.

    @WoundedGoat £4000 for a boiler change? :joy:
    What a clown that plumber must have been

    Most people with specialist trades will always look to earn a bit extra if they think you're totally in the dark about the job they're charging you for.

    I've worked with a few that will add utterly unnecessary extras, and exaggerate their importance to earn a few more quid.



  • VICTAAAA
    10570 posts Has That Special Something
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Not a plumber but I lay a lot of pipe. What do you need to know?

    I was going to ask... how has nobody made any jokes about “laying pipe.” Good ol’ @Pugzilla :lol:
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    VICTAAAA wrote: »
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Not a plumber but I lay a lot of pipe. What do you need to know?

    I was going to ask... how has nobody made any jokes about “laying pipe.” Good ol’ @Pugzilla :lol:

    We have different cisterns in the UK...

    I'll show myself out
  • BiigDee
    4311 posts National Call-Up
    Do you have a fire with the back boiler behind there which heats a tank upstairs. You will have a thermostat somewhere and also a switch you can use for your hot water if the heating isn't on. Have a look on the net as there's a lot of schemes running that can help with a new boiler depending on your circumstances. I would recommend a power jet through the system if it's that old.
  • CornishLad
    23308 posts Club Captain
    Did 3 years...honestly couldn't tell you much about what I learned :joy: :joy:
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    CornishLad wrote: »
    Did 3 years...honestly couldn't tell you much about what I learned :joy: :joy:

    Haha
  • Choepiechakie
    29555 posts Player of the Year
    British gas are fraud

  • Azof
    14782 posts World Class
    Id be wary of old pipes, our mains water pipe bust the other year and gave us a real nightmare, thankfully insurance covered it cause bill was upwards of 30 grand for a full refurb
  • saltywater84
    185 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Pipes=If it aint leaking dont touch it.
    Rads=if the whole rad gets hot dont touch it.
    Boiler=if have water and heating and it doesnt a terrible sound dont touch it.

    Unless your boiler cant handle the amount of rads and hot water outlets. Then i suggest a good combi boiler, if you have alot of rads an ensuites a pressurised system.
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