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Database still showing old traits - #traitgate explained?

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jakobpedro
789 posts Semi-Pro
edited December 2017
So following up from #traitgate, there seems like a lot of the "missing" traits are actually traits that have been removed, changed or added during the last few years. The database have not been updated. This is the case for ALL cards, not only special cards and SBC cards. I'll add more as I discover them

Traits that don't exist anymore, or are hidden
  • "Playmaker"
  • "Dives Into Tackles"
  • "Leadership"
  • "Selfish"
  • "One Club Player"
  • "Tries To Beat Defensive Line"
  • "Speed Dribbler"

Traits that have a different name in game (database showing old names
  • "Sweeper Keeper" replaced with "Rushes Out Of Goal"
  • "Ultimate Professional" replaced with "Team Player"
  • "Corner Specialist" replaced with "Set Piece Specialist"
  • There are both "Chip Shot" and "Shooting - Chip Shot" in the database. "Chip Shot" in the database means "Outside Foot Shot", while "Shooting - Chip Shot" shows up as just "Chip Shot" in game.
  • "Takes Powerful Driven Free Kicks" shows up as "Power Free-Kick" in game.

Traits that are not in the database, but show up in game
  • "Saves With Feet"
  • "Comes For Crosses"

So this might be the reason that your Prime Henry doesn't have "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" and Prime Rui Costa doesn't have "Playmaker" - they don't exist anymore.
Post edited by jakobpedro on

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  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    Ah well damn
  • Lokomorroco
    110 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    So why does My Roberto carlos show - Power free Kick. But Most Certainly Doesnt. The 88 Card Stands 10ft Away From ball at around 10 degree angle & Runs at the ball In a Very unique Way. The SBC version Stands 5ft away and 40 Degrees the Right and hits it in a generic way. Nothing At all like the 88 Version. The Power Freekick Trait shows But its Not active. This is my point. He 100% takes the Free kick Very differently.
  • SPAMPEBS
    3965 posts National Call-Up
    So why does My Roberto carlos show - Power free Kick. But Most Certainly Doesnt. The 88 Card Stands 10ft Away From ball at around 10 degree angle & Runs at the ball In a Very unique Way. The SBC version Stands 5ft away and 40 Degrees the Right and hits it in a generic way. Nothing At all like the 88 Version. The Power Freekick Trait shows But its Not active. This is my point. He 100% takes the Free kick Very differently.

    It's looking like sbc Carlos is broken atm. If they can't fix it then I think I am well within my rights so get my coins back, because I buy him every year and look forward to those free kicks. I'd rather have a bought one from the market than an untradeable that doesn't work.
  • So why does My Roberto carlos show - Power free Kick. But Most Certainly Doesnt. The 88 Card Stands 10ft Away From ball at around 10 degree angle & Runs at the ball In a Very unique Way. The SBC version Stands 5ft away and 40 Degrees the Right and hits it in a generic way. Nothing At all like the 88 Version. The Power Freekick Trait shows But its Not active. This is my point. He 100% takes the Free kick Very differently.
    I'm not denying that, just seems like it's a problem connected directly to Prime Roberto Carlos. Other SBC players can do the power free-kick.
  • Apparently some of the traits like "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" has never showed up. Could be a hidden trait, could be AI related or it could be that they don't exist.

    Anyway, it does mean that this isn't something related to SBC prime icons. Either these traits doesn't exist or they are hidden. I wish EA could explain to us how this works. @EA_Andy?
  • Bouboe112
    504 posts An Exciting Prospect
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    Apparently some of the traits like "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" has never showed up. Could be a hidden trait, could be AI related or it could be that they don't exist.

    Anyway, it does mean that this isn't something related to SBC prime icons. Either these traits doesn't exist or they are hidden. I wish EA could explain to us how this works. @EA_Andy?

    Yess explain us this @EA_Andy ?
  • mHazard
    13787 posts Has That Special Something
    edited December 2017
    Andyyyyyy?!!!? :joy:
  • AliasMaurice
    2346 posts Fans' Favourite
    Playmaker trait is still in the game
  • jakobpedro
    789 posts Semi-Pro
    edited December 2017
    Playmaker trait is still in the game
    No, that's the playmaker speciality. Two different things. At least I couldn't find anyone with the playmaker trait.
  • Vaaass
    2875 posts National Call-Up
    I know Mahrez has the playmaker trait, at least according to Futbin anyway. Haven't checked IG
  • Vaaass wrote: »
    I know Mahrez has the playmaker trait, at least according to Futbin anyway. Haven't checked IG
    Futbin show the same traits as EA's database.

    Futbin show all the traits listed above, but as mentioned in the OP they don't show in game.
  • Pughy30
    26612 posts Player of the Year
    Ridiculous if true, imagine paying 3mil for Henry and finding out he doesn't even have traits
  • CovLee_Candice
    4389 posts National Call-Up
    traits > Stats. need to check online offline gameplay not online vs database
  • traits > Stats. need to check online offline gameplay not online vs database
    I've checked both online, offline and database. Hard to find evidence in the gameplay if a player has the trait or not, except for free-kick styles.
  • Pughy30 wrote: »
    Ridiculous if true, imagine paying 3mil for Henry and finding out he doesn't even have traits
    Why Henry? The same can be said about R90, R94, CR7 or any other player with traits. Nothing to do with SBC icons.
  • Maghau
    80 posts Park Captain
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    Pughy30 wrote: »
    Ridiculous if true, imagine paying 3mil for Henry and finding out he doesn't even have traits
    Why Henry? The same can be said about R90, R94, CR7 or any other player with traits. Nothing to do with SBC icons.

    I think it's only affecting SBC icons
  • nope123
    1369 posts Professional
    edited December 2017
    Y’all are talking at cross purposes.

    1. There are some traits that apparently never show up in game (as in check the players traits while playing a match and they won’t show up). These allegedly include playmaker and tries to beat def line. Maybe more. Not clear if this is just visual and these traits are still affecting the player or if these traits just flat out don’t exist despite what the database says.

    2. The sbc icons are improperly missing traits that their lesser versions have. Power free kicks is one example that’s easy to see the difference in game. Allegedly the non sbc versions do have the intended traits, but I’ve seen no actual confirmation of this. This bug is entirely unrelated to issue 1 above.

    In 1, ea needs to tell us if these traits actually exist or have any effect in game or not.

    In 2, they need to fix sbc icons to have traits they are supposed to.

  • Napoli9
    1964 posts Fans' Favourite
    #fixfifa
  • nope123
    1369 posts Professional
    If these traits don’t exist in game (eg playmaker and defensive line) why do they show in the db for NEW players like Ronaldinho, Henry and r9?
  • nope123 wrote: »

    2. The sbc icons are improperly missing traits that their lesser versions have. Power free kicks is one example that’s easy to see the difference in game. Allegedly the non sbc versions do have the intended traits, but I’ve seen no actual confirmation of this. This bug is entirely unrelated to issue 1 above.
    I'm fairly sure someone confirmed the tradeable 91 Roberto Carlos also can't take power free-kicks, so it seems more like an issue connected to him than all prime icons. Definitely seems like my ADP has the traits he's supposed to have. There are also loads claiming they're Henry is broken because the traits like "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" doesn't show up.
    nope123 wrote: »
    If these traits don’t exist in game (eg playmaker and defensive line) why do they show in the db for NEW players like Ronaldinho, Henry and r9?
    Probably hidden traits then, or poor coding/programming/whatever. It's not like it would have been the first time.
  • jakobpedro
    789 posts Semi-Pro
    edited December 2017
    I do have some fuel for you EA haters though. SBC Gignac, Younes, Moore and Quaresma doesn't have any traits or specialities at all, but their NIF version does. SBC Promes, Casillas, Cavani and Al Soma has the traits and specialities they are supposed to have. This is not like the prime icons. They have no traits at all, not in the database and not in game. This is more like #traitgate

    Nevermind, seems like I was wrong
    Post edited by jakobpedro on
  • jakobpedro wrote: »
    I do have some fuel for you EA haters though. SBC Gignac, Younes, Moore and Quaresma doesn't have any traits or specialities at all, but their NIF version does. SBC Promes, Casillas, Cavani and Al Soma has the traits and specialities they are supposed to have. This is not like the prime icons. They have no traits at all, not in the database and not in game. This is more like #traitgate

    Are the developers aware of this, @EA_Andy ?
    They are in the EA database, but not on futbin it seems. I know there have been some reports that Gignac doesn't have anything listed in game. Owners of these four cards, please check.
  • ez1907
    833 posts Semi-Pro
    So,"saves with feet" doesnt have any effect in gameplay now?
  • Lokomorroco
    110 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    So following up from #traitgate, there seems like a lot of the "missing" traits are actually traits that have been removed, changed or added during the last few years. The database have not been updated. This is the case for ALL cards, not only special cards and SBC cards. I'll add more as I discover them

    Traits that don't exist anymore, or are hidden
    • "Playmaker"
    • "Dives Into Tackles"
    • "Leadership"
    • "Selfish"
    • "One Club Player"
    • "Tries To Beat Defensive Line"
    • "Speed Dribbler"

    Traits that have a different name in game (database showing old names
    • "Sweeper Keeper" replaced with "Rushes Out Of Goal"
    • "Ultimate Professional" replaced with "Team Player"
    • "Corner Specialist" replaced with "Set Piece Specialist"
    • There are both "Chip Shot" and "Shooting - Chip Shot" in the database. "Chip Shot" in the database means "Outside Foot Shot", while "Shooting - Chip Shot" shows up as just "Chip Shot" in game.
    • "Takes Powerful Driven Free Kicks" shows up as "Power Free-Kick" in game.

    Traits that are not in the database, but show up in game
    • "Saves With Feet"
    • "Comes For Crosses"

    So this might be the reason that your Prime Henry doesn't have "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" and Prime Rui Costa doesn't have "Playmaker" - they don't exist anymore.

    Well Check this out. > 88 Carlos takes a Free kick just like you seen him do Against France. But his SBC icon just takes it like some average joe. Why ? This is his prime card. All the traits appear in menus. So why ? Why has his signiture free kick GONE > http://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/comment/6364311#Comment_6364311
  • Rick
    9179 posts League Winner
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    I do have some fuel for you EA haters though. SBC Gignac, Younes, Moore and Quaresma doesn't have any traits or specialities at all, but their NIF version does. SBC Promes, Casillas, Cavani and Al Soma has the traits and specialities they are supposed to have. This is not like the prime icons. They have no traits at all, not in the database and not in game. This is more like #traitgate

    Are the developers aware of this, @EA_Andy ?
    My SBC Quaresma has all his traits and specalties show up in online games.

  • Lokomorroco
    110 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Rick wrote: »
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    I do have some fuel for you EA haters though. SBC Gignac, Younes, Moore and Quaresma doesn't have any traits or specialities at all, but their NIF version does. SBC Promes, Casillas, Cavani and Al Soma has the traits and specialities they are supposed to have. This is not like the prime icons. They have no traits at all, not in the database and not in game. This is more like #traitgate

    Are the developers aware of this, @EA_Andy ?
    My SBC Quaresma has all his traits and specalties show up in online games.
    With SBC R.Carlos His Traits ARE THERE but the Unique Free kick animation, You know the one we all Know, The same Animation Thats on his 86>88 Card, The free kick thats ACTUALLY Based off his Goal vs France. The free Kick thats talked about in His “Story” On his 91 Card.... Yeah well its Gone. Even bigger Question What other traits are Missing From other SBC players. Its a good Job with carlos Its VISUAL Conformation
  • Orikoru
    10712 posts Has That Special Something
    TraitGate?? What the hell is that?
  • jakobpedro wrote: »
    So following up from #traitgate, there seems like a lot of the "missing" traits are actually traits that have been removed, changed or added during the last few years. The database have not been updated. This is the case for ALL cards, not only special cards and SBC cards. I'll add more as I discover them

    Traits that don't exist anymore, or are hidden
    • "Playmaker"
    • "Dives Into Tackles"
    • "Leadership"
    • "Selfish"
    • "One Club Player"
    • "Tries To Beat Defensive Line"
    • "Speed Dribbler"

    Traits that have a different name in game (database showing old names
    • "Sweeper Keeper" replaced with "Rushes Out Of Goal"
    • "Ultimate Professional" replaced with "Team Player"
    • "Corner Specialist" replaced with "Set Piece Specialist"
    • There are both "Chip Shot" and "Shooting - Chip Shot" in the database. "Chip Shot" in the database means "Outside Foot Shot", while "Shooting - Chip Shot" shows up as just "Chip Shot" in game.
    • "Takes Powerful Driven Free Kicks" shows up as "Power Free-Kick" in game.

    Traits that are not in the database, but show up in game
    • "Saves With Feet"
    • "Comes For Crosses"

    So this might be the reason that your Prime Henry doesn't have "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" and Prime Rui Costa doesn't have "Playmaker" - they don't exist anymore.

    Well Check this out. > 88 Carlos takes a Free kick just like you seen him do Against France. But his SBC icon just takes it like some average joe. Why ? This is his prime card. All the traits appear in menus. So why ? Why has his signiture free kick GONE > http://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/comment/6364311#Comment_6364311

    There is clearly a problem with 91 Carlos, but not with other cards.
  • scirocco727
    641 posts An Exciting Prospect
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    jakobpedro wrote: »
    So following up from #traitgate, there seems like a lot of the "missing" traits are actually traits that have been removed, changed or added during the last few years. The database have not been updated. This is the case for ALL cards, not only special cards and SBC cards. I'll add more as I discover them

    Traits that don't exist anymore, or are hidden
    • "Playmaker"
    • "Dives Into Tackles"
    • "Leadership"
    • "Selfish"
    • "One Club Player"
    • "Tries To Beat Defensive Line"
    • "Speed Dribbler"

    Traits that have a different name in game (database showing old names
    • "Sweeper Keeper" replaced with "Rushes Out Of Goal"
    • "Ultimate Professional" replaced with "Team Player"
    • "Corner Specialist" replaced with "Set Piece Specialist"
    • There are both "Chip Shot" and "Shooting - Chip Shot" in the database. "Chip Shot" in the database means "Outside Foot Shot", while "Shooting - Chip Shot" shows up as just "Chip Shot" in game.
    • "Takes Powerful Driven Free Kicks" shows up as "Power Free-Kick" in game.

    Traits that are not in the database, but show up in game
    • "Saves With Feet"
    • "Comes For Crosses"

    So this might be the reason that your Prime Henry doesn't have "Tries To Beat Defensive Line" and Prime Rui Costa doesn't have "Playmaker" - they don't exist anymore.

    Well Check this out. > 88 Carlos takes a Free kick just like you seen him do Against France. But his SBC icon just takes it like some average joe. Why ? This is his prime card. All the traits appear in menus. So why ? Why has his signiture free kick GONE > http://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/comment/6364311#Comment_6364311

    There is clearly a problem with 91 Carlos, but not with other cards.

    Can the tradable version of prime Carlos do that?
  • Tomb1302
    7626 posts League Winner
    Having trouble finding where it explains why Rui Costa is woeful.
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