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  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    EXECUTE ORDER 66 against EA.
  • Cornushon
    4520 posts National Call-Up
    Bump
  • Janoe1
    7568 posts League Winner
    ...
  • JIGSAW_10
    540 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Oooo
  • mosmartin
    399 posts Sunday League Hero
    It's gambling all right and it should be stopped or regulated just like casinos are. EA should and will move to selling coins or players instead of packs in Fifa.
  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    mosmartin wrote: »
    It's gambling all right and it should be stopped or regulated just like casinos are. EA should and will move to selling coins or players instead of packs in Fifa.

    Agree
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!
  • Whitebeard
    3379 posts National Call-Up
    Nice!
  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited December 2017
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    You are blaming the victims.

    Abusers to defend themselves (I'm not calling you an abuser), appeal to an imaginary consent by their victims. Child abusers claim the children they abuse are capable to consent and to be mature enough to see the " stupidity" of their actions (using your own words).
  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Nothing justifies hooking children to be addicted at gambling. Not even parent omission.
  • Clancy
    7755 posts League Winner
    edited December 2017
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited December 2017
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    Your argument is flawed, and stupid.

    You blame parental omission to save EA ****. You blame parents when an addicted children steal his credit card. To you, children steal credit cards is the "consent" EA needs to justify gambling.

    No one are hiding behind the kids.

    If you say parents should regulate children, you should not oppose the State regulating EA predatory practices.
  • urubuinflamante
    897 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited December 2017
    Funny when people, to defend abusers, blame the victims.

    And the defense are, always, the same.

    They appeal to some imaginary consent. Like the child abuser saying in his defense the children they abuse are mature enough to know what they do.
  • jplumber
    1455 posts Play-Off Hero
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    No - your argument is flawed. EA are preying on the developmental vulnerabilities of youngsters. Consent requires autonomy. While pure autonomy is a naive concept to begin with, claiming that children have the faculties to immunise themselves against the insidious power of marketing is abhorrent!
  • jplumber
    1455 posts Play-Off Hero
    And you obviously dont know a thing about the way addiction works!
  • Danbailey_032
    245 posts Sunday League Hero
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    Troll ._.._.._.._.._.
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    jplumber wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    No - your argument is flawed. EA are preying on the developmental vulnerabilities of youngsters. Consent requires autonomy. While pure autonomy is a naive concept to begin with, claiming that children have the faculties to immunise themselves against the insidious power of marketing is abhorrent!

    Ah man! You people! You read what you want to hear! No, I don't expect children to manage themselves, I expect their parents to do it for them. If I left my 4 year old to it he'd eat biscuits all day and every day. The reason he doesn't is because I say no. Should my child want to buy FIFA points all day I'd apply the same logic!

    The first time my child steals my/someone else's credit/debit card I'm gonna come down hard on that behaviour because that is very very wrong. Hopefully this never happens but if it does they'll know about it I assure you. These rules will apply to either age 18 Or, should they decide to fly the nest earlier then that point.

    Once they become adults there is literally nothing I can do apart from advise. If they choose to take drugs, drink, smoke, gamble, by FIFA points that's there choice - I.e you are on your own. Of course I'll be there to pick up the pieces should anything go wrong.

    My children play minecraft. In minecraft there are many add ons you can buy. Almost every time they play they ask for a skin pack etc.. almost every time I say no because it's a waste of money. Far from what you people seem to think I take responsibility for them. My children who are 4 and 7 currently take no responsibility for themselves. They are not capable but I try to teach them as we go through life preparing them for when they take over. The only difference between your way and my way is im not looking for someone to do it for me.

    It doesn't matter what you do with the game, make it 18, make it 21. Eventually there'll be nothing to stop you. It's much better that the parent tries to explain why the concept of in game purchases is frivolous than just to slap a ban on it. You've got many years to try and implement this idea.

    But you read what you want to read to suit your agenda. Keep asking for people to look after your life then moan we live in a Nanny state!
  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    You don't need a cc
    They can rob off their friends or a old granny...buy psn cards etc
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    jplumber wrote: »
    And you obviously dont know a thing about the way addiction works!

    And this is so funny it's not true! If you only knew half about my life. Im not going into too much detail as it wasn't me but my brother-in-law who lost everything. But I'm not trying to change gambling regulations either.

    We, as humans are susceptible to addiction to feed our need for a buzz, businesses will always prey on this. You think in game purchases are the only thing you could argue is encouraging children to gamble? It's everywhere. Again, my job to manage this, just as if you have children it's your job.

    I hear a lot on this argument about the gambling regulations but all that can really be done is place an age limit on it, just as with gambling.

    People make their choice. Sometimes people make bad choices. When they do that you help them. You don't try and stop the whole industry because actually nearly everything in moderation is fine! I like a beer now and again. I like an acca at the weekend, it's fun (I don't like buying FIFA points, this is stupid in my eyes)
  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    You don't need a cc
    They can rob off their friends or a old granny...buy psn cards etc

    It's all robbing it's all wrong. You find out you come down hard. You teach right from wrong. That's what being a parent is. It's your moral obligation.

    I'll know if any things been loaded onto the PlayStation because it's mine. I know how much money they will have because it will be me who gives it to them. I'll know if the maths doesn't add up.

    Anyway, wondered when you'd be joining the party :)
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem

    Along with just about every toy on the market. They are all in on it. They always have been. It's business. If I started a business I'd want to sell as much of my product as I possibly could too.
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Clancy wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Humanity has no sunk so low we require people to ensure that either 1) we are not as stupid as to spend all our money on imaginary things, or 2) we are not as stupid as to leave our bank details - without doubt the most precious data we hold, to our ill educated children to steal at will.

    Give me strength!

    @Alex_cr so there should be no regulations on gambling at all, people should just know better? And kids shouldn't be prevented from buying things like alcohol or lottery tickets, parents should just do better?

    give me strength, ya twit.

    I don't think the packs should stop being sold, but they should be treated as another form of gambling that is regulated certain ways. For example disclosing odds and requiring a certain age to participate in this system that has a clear relation to real world $.

    that argument is so flawed. Firstly you've conveniently missed the part where I point out children don't have access to credit/debit card so would have to steal - why does everyone choose to gloss over this? They also have no legal way of obtaining credit so without breaking the law would have just their own money to spend in shops. Do you have children? I do, and I wouldn't allow them to waste their money, part of my job is to teach them the value of money.

    Then they become adults where they can buy as many packs as they like.... drink as many pints as they like, place as many bets as they like.

    People are hiding behind the kids! The real issue is the adults who inexplicably in my eyes manage to get themselves addicted to buying packs of pixelated footballers. Once you become addicted you have to take responsibility for your actions. Just like alcohol or gambling addictions.

    In short, the parents regulate their children - this is a responsibility you take on when having children. Once you're a grown up you are on your own.

    Troll ._.._.._.._.._.

    Thanks for your input. A well thought through opinion indeed.
  • Jaydiz89
    464 posts Sunday League Hero
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem

    Along with just about every toy on the market. They are all in on it. They always have been. It's business. If I started a business I'd want to sell as much of my product as I possibly could too.

    You sound like a naive boy or someone that's has lived a very sheltered life...
  • AFC_95
    8828 posts League Winner
    I like how it is on COD WWII. You earn supply drops randomly when playing and can complete contracts to earn more. You can also buy them but in this COD, at the moment, they don't give any advantages as epic guns just give an EXP boost. So in game they're the same.

    I at least think EA should make it easier to get *good* free packs. I come against 88 rated teams (with an all bronze bench) and lose, lose and lose some more lol.
  • AFC_95
    8828 posts League Winner
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem

    Along with just about every toy on the market. They are all in on it. They always have been. It's business. If I started a business I'd want to sell as much of my product as I possibly could too.

    Then they game should be rated 18+ as it involves gambling.
  • Alex_cr
    5078 posts Big Money Move
    Jaydiz89 wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem

    Along with just about every toy on the market. They are all in on it. They always have been. It's business. If I started a business I'd want to sell as much of my product as I possibly could too.

    You sound like a naive boy or someone that's has lived a very sheltered life...

    Please explain how you come to that conclusion??

    Could it not be that I have a differing opinion? I'm a 32 year old man who has been through more than I care to disclose, some of it my own doing, some others, some circumstantial.

    I have lived through close family members being sent to prison for bad bad things, I have lived with depression (not me, my partner), I have lived through the suicide of my best friend, I've lived through my sister having a brain aneurysm and it being touch and go.

    I have also lived life to the full. I've travelled, I've ticked off most sporting events I've wanted to attend, most bands I've wanted to see. I've drank more than I should have when I was younger and experimented with more substances than I should have! I've had 2 children, had a good job, been made redundant and had to rebuild.

    so no, I'm not a boy and I'm not naive. I just have a differing opinion to you. Abd you know what, that's ok.
  • Jaydiz89
    464 posts Sunday League Hero
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    Jaydiz89 wrote: »
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    It's ea using a product which falls into the addiction category and rinsing those who have a problem

    Along with just about every toy on the market. They are all in on it. They always have been. It's business. If I started a business I'd want to sell as much of my product as I possibly could too.

    You sound like a naive boy or someone that's has lived a very sheltered life...

    Please explain how you come to that conclusion??

    Could it not be that I have a differing opinion? I'm a 32 year old man who has been through more than I care to disclose, some of it my own doing, some others, some circumstantial.

    I have lived through close family members being sent to prison for bad bad things, I have lived with depression (not me, my partner), I have lived through the suicide of my best friend, I've lived through my sister having a brain aneurysm and it being touch and go.

    I have also lived life to the full. I've travelled, I've ticked off most sporting events I've wanted to attend, most bands I've wanted to see. I've drank more than I should have when I was younger and experimented with more substances than I should have! I've had 2 children, had a good job, been made redundant and had to rebuild.

    so no, I'm not a boy and I'm not naive. I just have a differing opinion to you. Abd you know what, that's ok.

    My friend said the exact same thing as you kinda but he's a compulsive lier so sorry if I don't believe you
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