EA, it's a trap! begining of the end for packs/loot boxes

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  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    You are still taking a risk for often large sums of money...

    You really think anyone sticks on £60 in the hope of everything being discard value?

    get what you are given i aint gonna reply again its quite simple...

    and even if someone tried to take this further EA's arguement you can buy these packs with coins end of discussion really no real money involved
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    You are still taking a risk for often large sums of money...

    You really think anyone sticks on £60 in the hope of everything being discard value?

    get what you are given i aint gonna reply again its quite simple...

    and even if someone tried to take this further EA's arguement you can buy these packs with coins end of discussion really no real money involved

    Why even join the discussion if you have no intention of debating?

    See ya.
  • TalentFG
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    You are still taking a risk for often large sums of money...

    You really think anyone sticks on £60 in the hope of everything being discard value?

    get what you are given i aint gonna reply again its quite simple...

    and even if someone tried to take this further EA's arguement you can buy these packs with coins end of discussion really no real money involved

    Why even join the discussion if you have no intention of debating?

    See ya.

    because there literally is no debate you always get what you pay for you want a better player but the pack doesnt say anything about that...
  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    It isn't getten taken to court it is starting legislation to curb/stop predatory practices.

    If you are so against it why do you keep spending?

    insanity
  • IDARYL
    5777 posts Big Money Move
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    You are still taking a risk for often large sums of money...

    You really think anyone sticks on £60 in the hope of everything being discard value?

    get what you are given i aint gonna reply again its quite simple...

    and even if someone tried to take this further EA's arguement you can buy these packs with coins end of discussion really no real money involved

    Why even join the discussion if you have no intention of debating?

    See ya.

    because there literally is no debate you always get what you pay for you want a better player but the pack doesnt say anything about that...

    Its a gamble because its not in detail... Someone selling a box for 10 quid and you don't know what's in it is a gamble if you buy it. Tell us you get a 87 rated player and I'll say that's not a gamble
  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    IDARYL wrote: »
    SergiuLive wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Rutta wrote: »
    It's gambling in the form of loading £20 up for the chance/hope of pulling a decent player. You don't pull anything decent then think maybe another £20 will cover it. Rinse and repeat throughout the year.

    Technically though, it's not gambling.

    its not gambling if you get get what you pay got

    if you go the bookies and put a 10 quid accumulator on and can walk away with nothing thats a gamble

    when you pay for packs you get what pay for...

    At the lottery you pay for a ticket. You might win or lose, but you got what you paid, the ticket... Sound logic right there.

    Lol what ?
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    The description isn't in detail enough, kids will open a pack expecting Ronaldo every time

    Yeah don't we all but EA never said you'll get Ronaldo, that is the point you don't seem to understand. It doesn't matter what your feeble mind wants, EA clearly stated what you get in the pack. End of.
  • Santiago
    21531 posts Club Captain
    Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

    'Uncertain outcome'

    You know the outcome with FUT packs. However that doesn't mean the primary intent of winning additional goods isn't still there.

    See I get what you bunch are trying to say but I am looking at it from law perspective.
  • frozenslash
    2271 posts Fans' Favourite
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...


    I don’t think you understand what taking a risk means. If I open a pack with the chance of pulling Ronaldo. That means if I don’t get Ronaldo I lose out. Meaning I took a risk and it failed. You can say all you want that I get what I’m paying for in terms of the pack but we both know that’s not true because of the element of chance.

    I agree they probably won’t be prosecuted for it because of the way they phrase it. But every time you have the chance of getting something which you don’t recieve that’s a risk. Otherwise slot machines aren’t gambling because you know if you lose you don’t get anything which would result in no risk.
  • WoundedGoat
    13105 posts Has That Special Something
    Call it a game of chance
  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    ''I suck at trading, I suck at the game, I don't have enough money to open packs...attack EA'' solution.
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    IDARYL wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    You are still taking a risk for often large sums of money...

    You really think anyone sticks on £60 in the hope of everything being discard value?

    get what you are given i aint gonna reply again its quite simple...

    and even if someone tried to take this further EA's arguement you can buy these packs with coins end of discussion really no real money involved

    Why even join the discussion if you have no intention of debating?

    See ya.

    because there literally is no debate you always get what you pay for you want a better player but the pack doesnt say anything about that...

    Its a gamble because its not in detail... Someone selling a box for 10 quid and you don't know what's in it is a gamble if you buy it. Tell us you get a 87 rated player and I'll say that's not a gamble

    you say someone selling a box for 10 quid and you dont know whats in it?

    you know whats in a pack card wise just not player wise? so that is a bad comparison
  • TalentFG
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for ❤️❤️❤️❤️ gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...


    I don’t think you understand what taking a risk means. If I open a pack with the chance of pulling Ronaldo. That means if I don’t get Ronaldo I lose out. Meaning I took a risk and it failed. You can say all you want that I get what I’m paying for in terms of the pack but we both know that’s not true because of the element of chance.

    I agree they probably won’t be prosecuted for it because of the way they phrase it. But every time you have the chance of getting something which you don’t recieve that’s a risk. Otherwise slot machines aren’t gambling because you know if you lose you don’t get anything which would result in no risk.

    trust me i understand what taking a risk means but you definitely get what you pay for as the pack states...

    the slot machine thing you mentioned doesnt seem to make sense mate you are risking money in the chance of not having money? im so confused right now..

    you have the chance of getting ronaldo yes but nowhere on a pack does it say anything about a player..

    it just states the type of card you are going to receive

    anyway each to their own IMO its notihng like gambling but hey ho
  • Boabdust
    5024 posts Big Money Move
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

  • Santiago
    21531 posts Club Captain
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    That is the worst post I have read in a long while.
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    bringing complimentary into this is totally irrelevant when you put a bet on you are after the money mate nobody would care or even think about a complimentary soft toy so this again is just a daft post

  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    Santiago wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    That is the worst post I have read in a long while.

    Give him Ronaldo with every pack he opens.
  • Matt_Cornwall
    3598 posts National Call-Up
    Starting to think some of these profiles work for EA.
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    Blarix wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    That is the worst post I have read in a long while.

    Give him Ronaldo with every pack he opens.

    +1
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Blarix wrote: »
    ''I suck at trading, I suck at the game, I don't have enough money to open packs...attack EA'' solution.

    I'm decent at the first two, and could quite happily put money into packs.

    Damn, @Blarix , I really didn't have you down as someone that would be this passionate in your defence of EA. Using the argument that people must suck at this or that, just to have an opinion. Shame.
  • TalentFG
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    bringing complimentary into this is totally irrelevant when you put a bet on you are after the money mate nobody would care or even think about a complimentary soft toy so this again is just a daft post

    It just shows how lame your point of walking away with something makes it not gambling is
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    bringing complimentary into this is totally irrelevant when you put a bet on you are after the money mate nobody would care or even think about a complimentary soft toy so this again is just a daft post

    It just shows how lame your point of walking away with something makes it not gambling is

    no it shows how you dont understand what im saying mate..

    you mentioned the stuff you get in packs is compensation LOL please
  • Blarix
    20845 posts Club Captain
    Blarix wrote: »
    ''I suck at trading, I suck at the game, I don't have enough money to open packs...attack EA'' solution.

    I'm decent at the first two, and could quite happily put money into packs.

    Damn, @Blarix , I really didn't have you down as someone that would be this passionate in your defence of EA. Using the argument that people must suck at this or that, just to have an opinion. Shame.

    It's just frustration boiling over that is the simple fact. This was in for years but all of the sudden its a big deal.
  • Pugzilla
    17329 posts World Class
    Blarix wrote: »
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    It isn't getten taken to court it is starting legislation to curb/stop predatory practices.

    If you are so against it why do you keep spending?

    insanity

    Because I am an adult and I know what I am getting into. As far as I can tell the laws would be to stop/curb children targeting.
  • TalentFG
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    bringing complimentary into this is totally irrelevant when you put a bet on you are after the money mate nobody would care or even think about a complimentary soft toy so this again is just a daft post

    It just shows how lame your point of walking away with something makes it not gambling is

    no it shows how you dont understand what im saying mate..

    you mentioned the stuff you get in packs is compensation LOL please

    Or that you don't understand
  • YOLOT0URE
    7899 posts League Winner
    It's clearly not gambling lol as said above you get what you pay for
  • Hitman_Hatton
    14382 posts Has That Special Something
    Blarix wrote: »
    Blarix wrote: »
    ''I suck at trading, I suck at the game, I don't have enough money to open packs...attack EA'' solution.

    I'm decent at the first two, and could quite happily put money into packs.

    Damn, @Blarix , I really didn't have you down as someone that would be this passionate in your defence of EA. Using the argument that people must suck at this or that, just to have an opinion. Shame.

    It's just frustration boiling over that is the simple fact. This was in for years but all of the sudden its a big deal.

    There's fresh momentum behind it due to the backlash against star wars.

    You're not on the EA payroll, so don't feel the need to defend them.
  • Ian_Ando08
    10897 posts Has That Special Something
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    TalentFG wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Ian_Ando08 wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    Santiago wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    It’s not gambling.

    Belgiums definition...DaveSaves definition....

    Tough choice.

    What they’ve said doesn’t apply to Fifa.

    Exactly.

    I am not even gonna bother anymore with this discussion.

    You haven't bothered since your original post, my friend.

    True. We had this discussion multiple times already. You really expect me to respond to some guys saying 'that is what an addict would say'?

    They give you a description of what you are paying for and you know what you will get.

    Is it addicting for some people? Sure. Is the pack weight way too low? Sure.

    But all of that has nothing to do with whether it is gambling or not.

    You are gambling on a decent return for the money you put on.

    Little Jimmy sticks £60 on and hopes to pack some good players. He ends up with 10 dupe Winston Reids. His risk hasn't paid off.

    From the definition of gambling:
    risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    the rest of that definition though..

    take a chance, take a risk, take a leap in the dark, leave things to chance,

    you aint leaving things to chance.. you are getting what the pack says

    Right so you’re saying there’s no chance or random selection in packs it’s already calculated? If I open a pack I’m taking the risk of getting something good or not. Otherwise it’s not random and EA already know what I will always get if I open packs

    i dont think you get it you aint taking a risk as on the pack it states QUITE CLEARLY say 100k pack 24 rare gold players ..what do you get??/

    yes you want a ronny messi icon bla bla bla

    but you get what you are told...

    Every fruit machine in the uk states the percentage payout on the machine.

    Does that mean it's not gambling?

    can you walk away from a fruit machine with nothing ? YES

    can you walk away from a pack with nothing ? NO

    i cant explain it any easier my friend

    So if betting shops offer all customers a complimentary soft toy for placing a bet it's no longer gambling in your eyes?

    Because they are no longer walking away with nothing

    Nobody buys a pack for **** gold players they buy it for the chance of packing someone big. The fact they are compensated with junk is neither here nor there.

    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

    bringing complimentary into this is totally irrelevant when you put a bet on you are after the money mate nobody would care or even think about a complimentary soft toy so this again is just a daft post

    It just shows how lame your point of walking away with something makes it not gambling is

    no it shows how you dont understand what im saying mate..

    you mentioned the stuff you get in packs is compensation LOL please

    Or that you don't understand

    its funny you posted that ridiculous post about a soft toy 3 people reply saying the post was a joke and i dont understand

    someones clearly in a land of their own
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