For those who say it's not gambling

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BerlinGunner
312 posts Sunday League Hero
Hey guys, i'm just wondering about the things going on right now. I think some of you are missing the point.

It's not only about Pack weight and stuff like this.

EA is CLEARLY a 100% using at least gambling technics. And that alone should be enough to get an adult rating. We all know that it is addictive. It's like you are allowing kids to go the Casino. Ok, you don't let them play. But let them watch all these hungry people spending, losing and winning cash. You say that is ok? This should be allowed? No wonder these kids nowadays steal credit cards from their parents. Companys like EA should be ashamed. They all take it year for year to another level. It's disgusting.

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  • The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.
  • bear
    6030 posts Big Money Move
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    it's about time somebody else noticed this
  • ICUP
    4226 posts National Call-Up
    Hey guys, i'm just wondering about the things going on right now. I think some of you are missing the point.

    It's not only about Pack weight and stuff like this.

    EA is CLEARLY a 100% using at least gambling technics. And that alone should be enough to get an adult rating. We all know that it is addictive. It's like you are allowing kids to go the Casino. Ok, you don't let them play. But let them watch all these hungry people spending, losing and winning cash. You say that is ok? This should be allowed? No wonder these kids nowadays steal credit cards from their parents. Companys like EA should be ashamed. They all take it year for year to another level. It's disgusting.

    Not EA fault parents can’t look after their credit cards.
  • BerlinGunner
    312 posts Sunday League Hero
    Did you guys even read my post?

    It's of course not EA's fault that parents can't watch their credit cards for 24/7. But if a kid steals a credit card and goes to the mall can it buy everything and come away with that? LOL of course not. It shouldn't be that easy for kids. Come on guys.
  • CtldChaos
    2131 posts Fans' Favourite
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    So does a slot machine. I put in X money and I get Y pulls. I get exactly what they tell me I am going to get. But that is still considered gambling in the law, as far as I know, world wide and is subject to those regulations.
  • Alex_cr
    5338 posts Big Money Move
    I'm sorry but this is becoming a joke. It is not gambling.

    Yes, I'm sure there is a possibility of becoming addicted but that doesn't make it gambling. Smoking is an addiction, alcoholism, crack ****, heroin etc. Now, addiction is an illness but ultimately we make a decision to do/not do these things or let them get out of control. If you have a problem then that's terrible but it's not EA's fault. They are providing a service that it is possible just to have fun with.

    I bought £12 worth of points on release date - none since and I won't be. Not because I dislike the game, I'll probably play it until the summer.

    With regards to Children stealing credit cards, that's called parenting and making sure it doesn't happen!

    One further note. When I was about 10 my mate stole 20 quid from his parents and spent it all on merlin stickers. These were then traded at school. Is this gambling? Was he addicted? I don't think so. This is basically a digital version. It's time to get a grip.
  • Diztruxshon
    40 posts Last Pick at the Park
    I'm with the OP on this one. EA know exactly what they're doing - they are a business and want to sell as many as possible. This means making them appealing to kids who probably make up more of their market than adults. Very hard to regulate. At least their Star Wars game has got some negative press for this sort of behaviour. Basically charging extra to play as Darth Vader etc. It's exactly the same as Ronny being worth 1.7/2mill coins etc. Totally out of a persons reach without spending days trading and or buying enormous amount of packs. Still, could play seasons I suppose...
  • CtldChaos wrote: »
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    So does a slot machine. I put in X money and I get Y pulls. I get exactly what they tell me I am going to get. But that is still considered gambling in the law, as far as I know, world wide and is subject to those regulations.

    Totally different, it states for example 7.5k pack 12 items 3 rare so you know what you are paying for. A slot machine does not state stick 2 dollar in and get 3 dollar back, its a total gamble on a machine.
  • Alex_cr
    5338 posts Big Money Move
    I'm with the OP on this one. EA know exactly what they're doing - they are a business and want to sell as many as possible. This means making them appealing to kids who probably make up more of their market than adults. Very hard to regulate. At least their Star Wars game has got some negative press for this sort of behaviour. Basically charging extra to play as Darth Vader etc. It's exactly the same as Ronny being worth 1.7/2mill coins etc. Totally out of a persons reach without spending days trading and or buying enormous amount of packs. Still, could play seasons I suppose...

    Exactly - they are looking to make money. It's a business, there'd be mad not to. We as the consumer just need to show some restraint and only spend what we can afford. I'll probably never have Ronaldo. But you know what? That's ok.
  • OttPa
    249 posts Sunday League Hero
    I don’t believe it is gambling. I do believe it encourages poor behaviour. Not only with the mentality that we see how it is win at all cost, but also in planting seeds of gambling.

    Now even some gambling apps have a maximum daily spend amount regulator that you can set. This does not exist in Fifa.

    The simple solution is to not allow people buy Fifa points. Simply remove this aspect of the game and earn the prime players.
  • VladimirSochi
    654 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited November 2017
    Ffs. It isn't gambling. You can call it fraud, unethical, etc but by definition it is NOT gambling. Go look up the definition of the word.

    Of course EA knows what they are doing. They are minipulating children on short term highs. That isn't gambling. Stop calling it that lol

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pcgamesn.com/loot-box-regulation-gambling-esrb-pegi?amp

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/10/12/esrb-does-not-consider-loot-boxes-to-be-gambling

    PS. UK has already determined that FUT packs BY LAW are not considered gambling. Stop arguing that it is like a bunch of clowns xD
  • Mr_Don123
    2282 posts Fans' Favourite
    OttPa wrote: »
    I don’t believe it is gambling. I do believe it encourages poor behaviour. Not only with the mentality that we see how it is win at all cost, but also in planting seeds of gambling.

    Now even some gambling apps have a maximum daily spend amount regulator that you can set. This does not exist in Fifa.

    The simple solution is to not allow people buy Fifa points. Simply remove this aspect of the game and earn the prime players.
    Lol, take away their biggest income source of FIFA?
  • SeaDawgBob
    940 posts Professional
    It's not gambling, it's worse than gambling.

    At least gambling is regulated. Casinos have to post certain odds, and although the house always wins, it's definitely not as often as EA Wins. and you pay $x's with a chance of getting $ back.

    I'm sure if we all saw the real odds to get Ronaldo, Messi, or a TOTS/TOTY Player you'd be pretty pissed off.

  • Joestoe
    5264 posts Big Money Move
    Alex_cr wrote: »
    I'm sorry but this is becoming a joke. It is not gambling.

    Yes, I'm sure there is a possibility of becoming addicted but that doesn't make it gambling. Smoking is an addiction, alcoholism, crack ****, heroin etc. Now, addiction is an illness but ultimately we make a decision to do/not do these things or let them get out of control. If you have a problem then that's terrible but it's not EA's fault. They are providing a service that it is possible just to have fun with.

    I bought £12 worth of points on release date - none since and I won't be. Not because I dislike the game, I'll probably play it until the summer.

    With regards to Children stealing credit cards, that's called parenting and making sure it doesn't happen!

    One further note. When I was about 10 my mate stole 20 quid from his parents and spent it all on merlin stickers. These were then traded at school. Is this gambling? Was he addicted? I don't think so. This is basically a digital version. It's time to get a grip.

    Well, according to that logic, smoking companies or casino's provide a service or product which one can choose to use to have fun with. Yet there are laws for it because laws are there to protect the people. If the government decides (and I think they should) that children (mostly anyway) need to be protected against ingame forms of gambling, then they have to. And people blaming parents for children using their credit cards clearly have no single clue what they're talking about. There are other ways children can pay, and parents can't watch their children 24/7.

    And how can it not be gambling by the way? You put something in which results in something with an unknown value. Same as a casino.

    The only difference between ingame gambling and real life gambling is that ingame gambling is far too easily accessible for children than it should be.
  • Gromit
    3626 posts National Call-Up
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    I think clearly people have to reach a "agree to disagree" compromise with this whole situation.

    There is NO doubt, that EA employs all kinds to tactics to entice and addict people to this game and it's not especially healthy, especially given the target audience. It's interesting that everyone aims this argument at "The young kids" the real danger is the young adult. Kids are at the discretion of their parents to how much they spend. But any young adult with a clean credit score can get a credit card. It's the 18 to 30's who are probably racking up tasty credit card bills with fifa point spends.

    Whether Packs are gambling is a VERY fine line whichever way the argument falls. I mean for example, just LOOK at the packs, they always have a high profile star on the front of the pack you buy, they use words like "The best pack to get top rated players" etc There's clearly a suggested guarantee even if we all know the truth.

    IMO packs are too expensive, cardweights are too low and the lack of regulation and transparency is scary. We literally know NOTHING.

    I've never believed that every card is in packs at any given time, I do believe EA can turn it on and turn it off whenever they feel like it. I remember them giving us 6 or 7 compensation packs in about 2014 and the cardweights in those packs were really high.

    I think FUT has gotten way out of hand, it's really worrying to sit and read the comments on here where people are saying they spent £600 already or in some extreme cases 2k and counting. This is a video game after all, nobody should really be spending more than £200, but the bizarre thing is theres so many people on here that actually defend this kind of action "it's my money etc". Well maybe it is, but you're being played and the game isn't even that good.
  • Diztruxshon
    40 posts Last Pick at the Park
    SeaDawgBob wrote: »
    It's not gambling, it's worse than gambling.

    At least gambling is regulated. Casinos have to post certain odds, and although the house always wins, it's definitely not as often as EA Wins. and you pay $x's with a chance of getting $ back.

    I'm sure if we all saw the real odds to get Ronaldo, Messi, or a TOTS/TOTY Player you'd be pretty pissed off.

    Haha I like this post. I spent 16 quid on points at the start but that's it. It's awful buying packs spending hard earned money to get absolutely rubbish in return. I suppose like @VladimirSochi said it's technically not gambling. Better odds in a casino, probably much better. Still, who's going to stop EA selling fifa points? No one.
  • Joestoe
    5264 posts Big Money Move
    CtldChaos wrote: »
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    So does a slot machine. I put in X money and I get Y pulls. I get exactly what they tell me I am going to get. But that is still considered gambling in the law, as far as I know, world wide and is subject to those regulations.

    Totally different, it states for example 7.5k pack 12 items 3 rare so you know what you are paying for. A slot machine does not state stick 2 dollar in and get 3 dollar back, its a total gamble on a machine.

    Dude, the pack doesn't state you get 5k worth of items either. What kind of comparison is that? You could call every rare card "a chance on the jackpot" just like a turn on the slot machine. So stating that you know the outcome is untrue.
  • Gromit
    3626 posts National Call-Up
    SeaDawgBob wrote: »
    It's not gambling, it's worse than gambling.

    At least gambling is regulated. Casinos have to post certain odds, and although the house always wins, it's definitely not as often as EA Wins. and you pay $x's with a chance of getting $ back.

    I'm sure if we all saw the real odds to get Ronaldo, Messi, or a TOTS/TOTY Player you'd be pretty pissed off.

    +1
  • Joestoe
    5264 posts Big Money Move
    Ffs. It isn't gambling. You can call it fraud, unethical, etc but by definition it is NOT gambling. Go look up the definition of the word.

    Of course EA knows what they are doing. They are minipulating children on short term highs. That isn't gambling. Stop calling it that lol

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pcgamesn.com/loot-box-regulation-gambling-esrb-pegi?amp

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/10/12/esrb-does-not-consider-loot-boxes-to-be-gambling

    PS. UK has already determined that FUT packs BY LAW are not considered gambling. Stop arguing that it is like a bunch of clowns xD

    Gamble = play games of chance for money; bet.

    Now how exactly is buying packs not gambling, according to the definition of the word?
  • bear
    6030 posts Big Money Move
    CtldChaos wrote: »
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    So does a slot machine. I put in X money and I get Y pulls. I get exactly what they tell me I am going to get. But that is still considered gambling in the law, as far as I know, world wide and is subject to those regulations.

    No, a slot machine is a game of chance. You pay x amount of dollars with the hope of y amount of dollars in return. With packs in FIFA and all trading card games, you pay x amount of dollars for a package that contains items of value, and it's perfectly fine if the collective aftermarket value of those items is less than the retail price. You pay money for fifa points, those fifa points lets you buy a digital pack of fut cards and you get said cards that are always to the exact description of the pack. No gambling whatsoever.
  • Not getting into this anymore lol, i personally dont think its gambling but different views all round i guess
  • VladimirSochi
    654 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited November 2017
    Joestoe wrote: »
    Ffs. It isn't gambling. You can call it fraud, unethical, etc but by definition it is NOT gambling. Go look up the definition of the word.

    Of course EA knows what they are doing. They are minipulating children on short term highs. That isn't gambling. Stop calling it that lol

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pcgamesn.com/loot-box-regulation-gambling-esrb-pegi?amp

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/10/12/esrb-does-not-consider-loot-boxes-to-be-gambling

    PS. UK has already determined that FUT packs BY LAW are not considered gambling. Stop arguing that it is like a bunch of clowns xD

    Gamble = play games of chance for money; bet.

    Now how exactly is buying packs not gambling, according to the definition of the word?

    @Joestoe Because the packs have no monetary value. The only thing of monetary value is the $60 copy of the game. The rest is in game content. By definition, gambling must be a wager by two parties for monetary value (cash, property, etc. something with purchasing power)

    The only value an IF Messi holds is within the $60 game. Thus it is not gambling. It is in game content. Just like a sword stolen in minecraft is not considered theft because the sword holds no monetary value. It's only value is in game. So stop being cute about it

    If you want to call it manipulation or fraud, that my be another story. But legally it literally is not gambling lol
  • mindm4ster
    4970 posts Big Money Move
    edited November 2017
    bear wrote: »
    The difference is the packs tell you exactly what your gonna get, which is not gambling.

    it's about time somebody else noticed this

    oh so when croupier in texas holdem tells you you will get one of 42 cards ,black or red it's not gambling as well ?
  • Joestoe
    5264 posts Big Money Move
    Joestoe wrote: »
    Ffs. It isn't gambling. You can call it fraud, unethical, etc but by definition it is NOT gambling. Go look up the definition of the word.

    Of course EA knows what they are doing. They are minipulating children on short term highs. That isn't gambling. Stop calling it that lol

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pcgamesn.com/loot-box-regulation-gambling-esrb-pegi?amp

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/10/12/esrb-does-not-consider-loot-boxes-to-be-gambling

    PS. UK has already determined that FUT packs BY LAW are not considered gambling. Stop arguing that it is like a bunch of clowns xD

    Gamble = play games of chance for money; bet.

    Now how exactly is buying packs not gambling, according to the definition of the word?

    Because the packs have no monetary value. The only thing of monetary value is the $60 copy of the game. The rest is in game content. By definition, gambling must be a wager by two parties for monetary value (cash, property, etc. something with purchasing power)

    The only value an IF Messi holds is within the $60 game. Thus it is not gambling. So stop being cute about it

    Hence the term "ingame" added in front of it. And by adding a possibility like Fifa Points to purchase these packs, you get ability to indirectly purchase these packs with real life money; thus adding a monetary value to these packs.

    However, trying to start a decent discussion with you seems rather pointless, as you seem to look down upon everyone who dares to disagree with the almighty VladimirSochi.
  • Whitebeard
    3434 posts National Call-Up
    It may have some gambling aspects, and to extent be similar to gambling, but technically, it's not.
  • OttPa
    249 posts Sunday League Hero
    I have a feeling that gambling is going to become one of those taboo topics we ain’t allowed to mention
  • octabrain
    217 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    If you went to a casino and got stuff ( like a car) rather than money on blackjack it’s still gambling
  • madwullie
    5092 posts Big Money Move
    edited November 2017
    octabrain wrote: »
    If you went to a casino and got stuff ( like a car) rather than money on blackjack it’s still gambling

    Because a car has monetary value
  • Quaid
    80 posts Park Captain
    I think they should be legally required to tell you the odds of getting certain cards

    When you get the same worthless player 3 packs in a row you know something is rigged
  • VladimirSochi
    654 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited November 2017
    @Joestoe no dude. I'm telling you it's already been established by law ffs lol. UK has already made a ruling on this stating FUT FIFA points specifically are not considered "gambling" and furthermore ESRB has reinforced this notion as well. I've provided documentation to back up my claim. Wtf else could you want? xD

    http://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/66242/pegi-and-esrb-weigh-in-on-loot-crate-gambling-kerfuffle/

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/10/12/esrb-does-not-consider-loot-boxes-to-be-gambling
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