Packs aren't random

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  • Stickybelly
    2666 posts Fans' Favourite
    Lumitesi wrote: »
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    Lumitesi wrote: »
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    Sirin wrote: »
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    concept of luck is clearly impossible to understand for some people.. everything is always so rigged.. illuminati

    Or you are just being very naive.

    Nope.. just not deluded little kid like most of you

    Yes because it's completely impossible that EA, proven more than enough times to be a very greedy company, rigs a system without any laws, legal control or any transparency for maximum proffit. To not even entertain such a possibility means you're at the very least a very naive person.
    Don't get me wrong, this is a business and the aim is always to make proffit. But there are fair and unfair business practices and I really wouldn't put it past EA to go down the unfair way. Having different pack weights to encourage spending is pretty unfair. If you buy packs, you earned them, either by playing games/trading or by working a RL job for FP so you deserve the same weights and chance to pull something good.

    Show me the proof of them rigging the system somehow. And "me and my mate both opened gold pack, and he got de bruyne and I got only John Terry" isnt a proof of anything mr tinfoilhat

    So besides being naive you can't read? I said EA has been proved to be a very greedy company. Let me highlight that for you so you can understand it better. Being a pioneer in day one DLC's in AAA games and continued use of complicated DRM's that cause a bad costumer experience more than anything else are good examples why, if you don't believe me. If you wanna go further, look up the slavery lawsuit against them by their employees in 2004.
    At no point in my post did I say I could prove any rigging in the system. Obviously noone can otherwise EA would have been sued already and the system would have changed if it were true. Looking at this track record, considering they've shown that they can control pack weights on the fly and keeping any account of your packs over the years, not even entertaining the possibility that they're rigged just means you're naive. So keep on being herded mrsheep.
    Questioning the world around me and how things work doesn't mean I wear a tinfoil hat, though I can see how it may look like it does for somente as closeminded as you seem to be.

    Could not agree more with this. Of course it's not random, nothing is random on this game, it's all working to an algorithm to earn EA the maximum revenue possible. If you play a lot of games, have a decent record and have a healthy transfer profit then you have very little chance of packing anything valuable. The only people i know that pack anything decent (icons and valuable elite players) are kids, noobs and casuals that don't play many games and have poor records.
  • Lizardo
    903 posts Semi-Pro
    I actually think it's hilarious how some of you defend that game mechanichs are sh*t, that EA help some players in detriment of others, and all that cr*p about scripting...

    but when it comes to packs...

    "NOOOOO, it's all about luck. We can't blaim EA!!"

    That goes way beyond naivety!!

  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Do you all think the lottery is fixed too?
  • SurferDude
    1756 posts Fans' Favourite
    Sirin wrote: »
    I honestly believe they are accounts that always have a higher chance of pulling good players than others.

    I've opened countless of packs and usually get nothing. Pulled an Oblak once thats it, not a single card over 10k, nor higher rated than 84. Over theast 3 days i opened 300k worth of packa and not even a si gle billboard.

    My brother however recently started playing FUT. Today he asked my to help him with his first sbc because he wasn't familiar with it. He got a 25k pack and a 35k mega pack. In his 25k pack he pulled marchisio and i was already shocked. Then he opened his mega pack and out walks 89 Kevin de Bruyne. I'm happy for him but it just seems a bit rigged.

    Thoughts? Or is it all just 'random'

    Those items were associated to your ip, they would have been your next packs but your bro got there first

  • bjornheisenberg
    3714 posts National Call-Up
    SurferDude wrote: »
    Sirin wrote: »
    I honestly believe they are accounts that always have a higher chance of pulling good players than others.

    I've opened countless of packs and usually get nothing. Pulled an Oblak once thats it, not a single card over 10k, nor higher rated than 84. Over theast 3 days i opened 300k worth of packa and not even a si gle billboard.

    My brother however recently started playing FUT. Today he asked my to help him with his first sbc because he wasn't familiar with it. He got a 25k pack and a 35k mega pack. In his 25k pack he pulled marchisio and i was already shocked. Then he opened his mega pack and out walks 89 Kevin de Bruyne. I'm happy for him but it just seems a bit rigged.

    Thoughts? Or is it all just 'random'

    Those items were associated to your ip, they would have been your next packs but your bro got there first

    most people have dynamic ips...i think you mean ps plus subscription....oh wait ea havent a clue how to ban people who transfer coins using the 3 day method lol
  • They Caged Non
    4356 posts National Call-Up
    I think you need to replace 'aren't Random' with 'are S--t'
  • madwullie
    4168 posts National Call-Up
    I got the Egypt badge two packs in a row last night. DISGUSTING
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    SurferDude wrote: »
    Sirin wrote: »
    I honestly believe they are accounts that always have a higher chance of pulling good players than others.

    I've opened countless of packs and usually get nothing. Pulled an Oblak once thats it, not a single card over 10k, nor higher rated than 84. Over theast 3 days i opened 300k worth of packa and not even a si gle billboard.

    My brother however recently started playing FUT. Today he asked my to help him with his first sbc because he wasn't familiar with it. He got a 25k pack and a 35k mega pack. In his 25k pack he pulled marchisio and i was already shocked. Then he opened his mega pack and out walks 89 Kevin de Bruyne. I'm happy for him but it just seems a bit rigged.

    Thoughts? Or is it all just 'random'

    Those items were associated to your ip, they would have been your next packs but your bro got there first

    That's not how it works mate.
  • Alex_cr
    4842 posts Big Money Move
    It's not random, computers can't do random. The only question is are there dark forces at work?

    I don't spend, I play loads and trade a bit. Last year my pack luck was a joke. This year although I've not packed anything massive I've had lots of IF's a PTG Marcelo and a few other that were decent. Packing a real common card multiple times tho is no evidence tho, even if one after the other. I used to get Clint Hill in just about every packet of stickers I opened in 95 - there's just loads of them. Same as there was bloody Clint!
  • madwullie
    4168 posts National Call-Up
    Alex knows the score
  • Ballerson
    26 posts Last Pick at the Park
    Joestoe wrote: »
    The patents stated that your spending pattern, thus the amount of money you spend on the game, influences the outcome of the game. I think it does also influence how much you get back from packs.

    Also; I think there's some kind of pattern where some players are more common on certain days than others. For example; I packed Vermaelen b2b in 2 7,5k packs the other day. The odds of that happening and not Vermaelen and some other nonrare cb with the same card weight, should be similar to packing something huge.

    So no, packs aren't random like EA states they are, but they'll never tell unless some law comes (which I think it should), forcing companies to be more clear about their ingame purchases. It's gambling. Only difference between in game gambling and IRL gambling is that a 12-year old child can't get into a casino.

    It's shocking no single government has ever taken some kind of action towards these systems.

    (And yes, I'm guilty of spending quite a decent sum of money on FP)



    Class action lawsuit? Surely there are capable litigators who want a fair FIFA experience?


  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Retro_G wrote: »
    They are as random as slot machines. Programmed to let you catch small wins to keep you playing. Designed to make you go bust.

    It's literally no different than slots at a casino.

    At least you know the chance percentage with a casino slot machine. Never trust something that doesn't reveal the odds.

    easily rigged too.
    those slot machines have a percentage payout which can be changed.
    its normally 92%....btw thats way way higher than fifa packs

    That’s not rigging so much as configuration. Once they set the payout rate, it’s pure RNG, and that payout rate doesn’t change.

    Also, regularly audited, by an external gaming board. That’s how they know the actual payout is the configured payout.

    Compare to FIFA packs, where we’ve seen a player missing from packs for months after they just forget to put him back in after TOTW. If the drop rate of Ronaldo...assuming for a moment it’s fixed and universal across players...was half of what they intended, would they notice? Do they check?

    Given a lack of regulation and external oversight, there’s little reason to think that packs are consistent and fair across players. I can believe they’re RNG driven, but there’s no reason to believe they don’t tinker with the payout rate on a per-player basis, if it would make them more money to do so. That’s not tinfoil hat, that’s just assuming that they’re a business and that whatever isn’t prohibited is allowed.
  • Denz
    2030 posts Fans' Favourite
    All random, the randomness of it all is what makes some people happy and others call it a farce. If you are lucky you don't complain here.
  • Dazza3113
    3224 posts National Call-Up
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    Last week I bought 20 lottery tickets and didnt win anything, but I heard that the guy who won it only bought one and won 4 million euros.. Does this mean that the lottery is not random?

    Why do you defend the indefensible?
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Dazza3113 wrote: »
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    Last week I bought 20 lottery tickets and didnt win anything, but I heard that the guy who won it only bought one and won 4 million euros.. Does this mean that the lottery is not random?

    Why do you defend the indefensible?

    Because he’s got an IQ higher than double figures.
  • Blarix
    20823 posts Club Captain
    A co-worker of mine used to manage betfair and he said the house is always guaranteed a profit.

    He said 0.003 is the actual chance of someone landing on a number when playing roulette and therefor when 1000's of machines are being played you have that much of a chance hitting the right number. So for every 1000 that play only small margin will profit from it. Most likely EA has something like that in place but all speculations though as Betfair is actually forced to share their percentages of someone likely to win.
  • Nassau
    167 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.
  • Lizardo
    903 posts Semi-Pro
    Nassau wrote: »
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.

    Nahhhh... For sure you dreamed about it, mate
  • Dazza3113
    3224 posts National Call-Up
    Nassau wrote: »
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.

    Would not surprise me in the slightest, all it takes is for someone to take them to court and win... with their money I wouldn't like to imagine the legal representation they have in place
  • madwullie
    4168 posts National Call-Up
    Nassau wrote: »
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.

    This would mean that people who packs with coins get better pull than those who use points, which AFAIK doesn't seem to be the case
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    Nassau wrote: »
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.

    Would make very much sense to me but not sure if there is any truth in it.
  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Anyone who has seen Castro rinse through 50k FP and get nothing knows that isn’t true.
  • Dazza3113
    3224 posts National Call-Up
    Sirin wrote: »
    Nassau wrote: »
    Wasn't there a guy that worked at EA Romania that got fired because he leaked how packs are done?
    If I recall correctly he mentioned that they add more chances of drop for known youtubers so that people see them and buy packs. Also there was something how accounts are in different tiers so basically the more you spend the less you earn? New accounts have high chance to get players between 86-92 and afterwards there's not much for you in it.

    Would make very much sense to me but not sure if there is any truth in it.

    I remember when there was no truth in special cards not performing better than their regular cards, the amount of times I was called an idiot for suggesting it...

    Then chem gate hit and the only people more quiet about the subject then the sheep on here were EA themselves who did a fantastic job of brushing it under the carpet...
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Anyone who has seen Castro rinse through 50k FP and get nothing knows that isn’t true.

    I doubt they do that for YTrs. But what he said about accounts getting different tiers does make sense imo. Certainly explains the pack luck for my brothers new account
  • JamieT96
    6980 posts Big Money Move
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Dazza3113 wrote: »
    pekkaa88 wrote: »
    Last week I bought 20 lottery tickets and didnt win anything, but I heard that the guy who won it only bought one and won 4 million euros.. Does this mean that the lottery is not random?

    Why do you defend the indefensible?

    Because he’s got an IQ higher than double figures.

  • DaveSaves
    20137 posts Club Captain
    Sirin wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Anyone who has seen Castro rinse through 50k FP and get nothing knows that isn’t true.

    I doubt they do that for YTrs. But what he said about accounts getting different tiers does make sense imo. Certainly explains the pack luck for my brothers new account

    It doesn’t. It means you don’t understand luck.
  • Eddieprada
    116 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I can tell that my luck on packs its terrible i mean after 2 years playing hardcore spending over 400$ and hundreds of packs from rewards sbc etc , my most valuable player was ander herrera tots , but yes yeaterday i pack ericksen hero card from a 2 players pack that i got from the weekly challenge
  • Sirin
    2504 posts Fans' Favourite
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Sirin wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Anyone who has seen Castro rinse through 50k FP and get nothing knows that isn’t true.

    I doubt they do that for YTrs. But what he said about accounts getting different tiers does make sense imo. Certainly explains the pack luck for my brothers new account

    It doesn’t. It means you don’t understand luck.

    I understand but it's always a possibility that luck/odds is/are dependent on the persons account.
  • heavymcd
    10068 posts Has That Special Something
    Sirin wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Sirin wrote: »
    DaveSaves wrote: »
    Anyone who has seen Castro rinse through 50k FP and get nothing knows that isn’t true.

    I doubt they do that for YTrs. But what he said about accounts getting different tiers does make sense imo. Certainly explains the pack luck for my brothers new account

    It doesn’t. It means you don’t understand luck.

    I understand but it's always a possibility that luck/odds is/are dependent on the persons account.

    Yeah, whether packs are random and whether they’re fair are two distinct questions.

    They can be entirely RNG driven and you’d still expect to see odd coincidences like getting the same crappy player in two straight packs. That happens. However, absent any external oversight or even explicit statements from EA, there’s no reason to think the weight on that RNG is the same for every person. If a business case can be made for tweaking drop rates to the individual, and if no regulation forbids it, I’d be surprised if a company *didn’t* do it.

    I have no idea if the business case is there, obviously. I don’t know if pack weight varies across users. But there’s no reason to assume one way or the other.
  • Quaid
    80 posts Park Captain
    I have won 5 drafts over the last week and have not gotten one board.

    I have 25 + four-in-a-rows and it's never been this bad

    Surely they have decreased weights, for everyone? Or just for me...
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