The secret of getting 40-0 in WL - not formation / tactics related
July 9, 2017 5:03PM
edited July 2017
Hey guys,
I'm seriously frustrated at the moment and need a way to let it out. So I thought I could contribute to these forums by explaining you the secret to achiving 40-0 or just a high amount of wins. This won't be a huge post. Just mentioning a few points and aspects to help people out. A TL;DR part can be found at the end.
Why am I frustrated? Well, I've reached 40-0 last week and also 185 out of 200 wins in the last month, getting me top 100 monthly as well. Now that I've basically reached everything I wanted apart from qualifying for an event, I could not care less about my performance in the WL.
So I decided to just play whenever I felt like (this is the first and biggest mistake that you can do). Mostly played during day time, but literally every game out of my 37 I played had a 1 second input delay. Every single game was a fight against the game and not against the opponent. What is the result? I'm now at 29-8, finally deciding to stop playing the WL.
I might come back to WL if they offer pack rewards for FIFA18, which would be a great incentive. otherwise there is no reason to play WL anymore.
I know my text is not structured in any way, but I needed to let out my anger.
So what can you take away from this? Only play during night. And I dont mean 11pm. I mean 3 in the morning. The games are SUPER FLUID, but the opponents are much stronger. Thing is that you accept the losses since you were in control of your players.
During daytime, the level of players is astonishingly bad. People just run straight up into my defence hoping to get lucky rebounds. Then proceed to shield whole game and park the bus. With delay you won't be able to break them down.
But hey, during nighttime. Players feel so crisp. You can actually defend manually and win the ball back. Your skill actually becomes relevant in deciding the outcome of the game. Of course you will face better players during night, but this is okay. You will get more fair matches as both sides will be able to actually play the way they normally would.
I could post my custom tactics, formations or my team, but trust me these aspects are completely irrelevant. I can play with anything during night. Any player feels like Messi or Ronaldo with 0 delay.
Faced some top 100 players this WL and got destroyed 0-3 within 10 minutes. I could not move my defenders properly against L2R2 dribblings. With delay this is absolutely not possible. If you are the attacking player, forget using L2R2 since it takes 2 seconds to actually perform it. Sadly L2R2 is an essential element in the game in order to break down AI defending.
Got hate messages whenever I lost a game to rather weak players stating that I should win every game with my high-end team etc. Explained them that I had delay (i legitimately do not use this as an excuse), but they just laugh at me and celebrate their lucky 180 degree shot with 2 star weak foot.
Played a rematch against one of the top100 players and suddenly the game was very even, as both players experienced the same amount of input delay (there was none actually, but thats not the point).
WL is an absolute joke of "competitive" game mode, as long as one-sided button delay is a thing. It gives one player such a huge advantage. Of course I also was on the beneficiary side, when my opponent suffered. If FIFA18 has the same issues I won't be playing this game anymore.
I'm tired of having to adjust my daily schedule in order to enjoy delay-free gameplay. What is the point of practising the game in seasons when in WL you cannot play the same style anymore? Any other online game I play does not have these issues. You can actually play these games expecting a specific amount of ping that will remain constant throughout the match.
At least give us the ping in milliseconds instead of these 5 lying bars. I always played with 5 bar connection, but still experience huge delay every game.
Sorry that my post became longer than I expected. And I also know that not everyone will read all of this, but more top 100 players and pro gamers have to stand up and make this more public.
TL;DR: Play during night (and I mean deep night) in order to get better results, games are less rage inducing as you have full control of your players. Playing during day time is like rolling a die. That's my secret of getting 40-0. Before you can think about formations, tactics or optimal teams, make sure that you are able to play under consistent conditions in order to adjust your team.
I'm seriously frustrated at the moment and need a way to let it out. So I thought I could contribute to these forums by explaining you the secret to achiving 40-0 or just a high amount of wins. This won't be a huge post. Just mentioning a few points and aspects to help people out. A TL;DR part can be found at the end.
Why am I frustrated? Well, I've reached 40-0 last week and also 185 out of 200 wins in the last month, getting me top 100 monthly as well. Now that I've basically reached everything I wanted apart from qualifying for an event, I could not care less about my performance in the WL.
So I decided to just play whenever I felt like (this is the first and biggest mistake that you can do). Mostly played during day time, but literally every game out of my 37 I played had a 1 second input delay. Every single game was a fight against the game and not against the opponent. What is the result? I'm now at 29-8, finally deciding to stop playing the WL.
I might come back to WL if they offer pack rewards for FIFA18, which would be a great incentive. otherwise there is no reason to play WL anymore.
I know my text is not structured in any way, but I needed to let out my anger.
So what can you take away from this? Only play during night. And I dont mean 11pm. I mean 3 in the morning. The games are SUPER FLUID, but the opponents are much stronger. Thing is that you accept the losses since you were in control of your players.
During daytime, the level of players is astonishingly bad. People just run straight up into my defence hoping to get lucky rebounds. Then proceed to shield whole game and park the bus. With delay you won't be able to break them down.
But hey, during nighttime. Players feel so crisp. You can actually defend manually and win the ball back. Your skill actually becomes relevant in deciding the outcome of the game. Of course you will face better players during night, but this is okay. You will get more fair matches as both sides will be able to actually play the way they normally would.
I could post my custom tactics, formations or my team, but trust me these aspects are completely irrelevant. I can play with anything during night. Any player feels like Messi or Ronaldo with 0 delay.
Faced some top 100 players this WL and got destroyed 0-3 within 10 minutes. I could not move my defenders properly against L2R2 dribblings. With delay this is absolutely not possible. If you are the attacking player, forget using L2R2 since it takes 2 seconds to actually perform it. Sadly L2R2 is an essential element in the game in order to break down AI defending.
Got hate messages whenever I lost a game to rather weak players stating that I should win every game with my high-end team etc. Explained them that I had delay (i legitimately do not use this as an excuse), but they just laugh at me and celebrate their lucky 180 degree shot with 2 star weak foot.
Played a rematch against one of the top100 players and suddenly the game was very even, as both players experienced the same amount of input delay (there was none actually, but thats not the point).
WL is an absolute joke of "competitive" game mode, as long as one-sided button delay is a thing. It gives one player such a huge advantage. Of course I also was on the beneficiary side, when my opponent suffered. If FIFA18 has the same issues I won't be playing this game anymore.
I'm tired of having to adjust my daily schedule in order to enjoy delay-free gameplay. What is the point of practising the game in seasons when in WL you cannot play the same style anymore? Any other online game I play does not have these issues. You can actually play these games expecting a specific amount of ping that will remain constant throughout the match.
At least give us the ping in milliseconds instead of these 5 lying bars. I always played with 5 bar connection, but still experience huge delay every game.
Sorry that my post became longer than I expected. And I also know that not everyone will read all of this, but more top 100 players and pro gamers have to stand up and make this more public.
TL;DR: Play during night (and I mean deep night) in order to get better results, games are less rage inducing as you have full control of your players. Playing during day time is like rolling a die. That's my secret of getting 40-0. Before you can think about formations, tactics or optimal teams, make sure that you are able to play under consistent conditions in order to adjust your team.
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Last weekend was perfect. This weekend was a pile of ❤️❤️❤️❤️. Came to the realisation 3 months ago about how inconsistent the gameplay is this year.
Will play the first month of FIFA 18, Any major inconsistencies in gameplay, it will also be the last.
Tired of being able to beat the best of the best, to then lose to players who haven't hit elite once yet due to delay.
exactly this, I've lost to players who struggled to get gold 3 even. Also had someone who was 12-21 and I barely won 1-0 in the last minute with my first shot on goal. Just unacceptable
I have had to stop playing because of it. Completely ruined the game.
Him to him: Proceed to write 15 Paragraphs.
But seriously, I understand what your on about. That's why soon as I feel I'm becoming swallowed and addicted, I stop. If I continued, I'd get frustrated and it's just not worth it. Just gotta pray for better servers!
Upgrading of the servers is all I actually care about tbh. Couldn't give 2 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ about them releasing more content.
8 years later, looks like I'm still waiting...
1. Gameplay is very inconsistent - one game is good the other impossible to play
2. LT RT dribbling is the test -
I have had situations where I have bad delay and was still winning 2-0 until the opponent realizes my defenders aern't responding so proceeds onto to LT RT dribble for the rest of the time and I lose
3. This game is a frustrating mess and delay is major decider of games
Yeah when I use L2R2 myself and it works super fluid, I know that I'll most likely win.
Whenever I see my opponent abusing L2R2, all I can do is to hope for the best. Usually I can't defend it as I cannot mirror the opponents movement fast enough.
Whenever I win I really have to question myself whether I won because of being better or because of having the better connection in that game. There are times where I can simply run through M opponents defense without any effort. And those had fully stacked teams indicating elite level.
Wow I give you credit for the realism even tho you have had huge success. What time zone are you?
My son has some high rated teams, and I'll sometimes play on his account during the evenings, and struggle in Div 5. Players receive the ball, do some strange animation like a stepover (that I didn't do) then start running. Or I'll be aiming a pass directly at a player, and the ball will go directly to an opponent that isn't even close to them. Next weekend I'll try using his team early in the morning and see how they perform.
Im living in Germany, must be GMT+2 i think?
for me it's fluid starting from 2 in the morning/night. Sometimes you can play from 11am until 2pm, but that's very rare. Even had delay at 3 in the morning though from saturday to sunday. It would really help to see the ping throughout the match. These bars don't say anything. Had very fluid games at 4 bars, but then super sluggish gameplay at 5. How does that even make sense?
Game is played with udp
2 is very correct
I test in the first mintes of the game if it doesnt work smooth then i know i wont win
its irrelevant having ms based on ping/icmp.
the game is played with udp.
i dont think its their servers.
i think the routes we and they use are simply congested at difefrent times because of actiosn networks have to take.
some may not have to take actions re traffic but may have limits they can use at a certain rate.
this will be based on agreements between tier 1 and tier 1 and isp and tier 1.
not a lot is known about these ..they are never made public....they are real.
bf1 will send data from your soldier.
fifa will send data re your other 10 players.
imo ea might need to dumb the game down or strategically place servers in way more countries/ states in the usa etc.
I'm sure strategical placement will solve the issue. I mean, how can you expect that two server locations can cover Europe? That's insane.
Do you by any chance know how League of Legends works? They used to have insane server issues years ago, but actively worked on it by splitting their European servers into West and East and later even further in order to deal with the issues.
Would be interesting if they are based on UDP as well. EA could learn from them maybe, but what am I saying. This would cost money and therefore is not an option.
100x this!!
I'm very experienced with ISP Routing, CDNs, etc. For the amount of players playing in WL, EA has far to few server locations. Just by adding more servers in the same locations isn't going to help at all. They way more physical locations and much better matchmaking (based on smart geo)
The mystery item is lag compensation, we don't really know if it exists or not (it sure seems to, its incredibly noticeable for us US Players playing Latin American Players).
I do think my location makes quality matchmaking and connections difficult but I have done all troubleshooting possible, spent more on a monitor and router etc yet the game still plays like ❤️❤️❤️❤️, is delayed and feels fundamentally broken...
If you look back rob talked about it and was addressed in patch notes. Ea is posting on here again so maybe they can answer and give a more updated response.
L2R2 is indeed the test. If it responds immediately, I know I've won the game.
Incredible touches all over, all inputs responded immediately, why, why is this an issue, why, just why
How come its acceptable that players put effor, talent, time or whatever you want to call it in to playing this mode if you aren't going to enjoy your team? Bought Messi tots and he can't perform a simple r2 l2 dribbling. Feels like Fazio on 0 chem. So i have to sub in Martial, because he's at least strong and makes up for lack of responsiveg gameplay. Not to mention that you miss on a better rank because you can't play at your real level. Or that sometimes your opponent has no delay at all ( wich I proved messaging a ton of my opponents).
What's even worst. For some people game doesnt change even if you play at 4 am. I have streaks of delayed gameplay. It stays during a week, or two, or three. It doesnt matter if it seasons or Wl or in wich hour I play. So even the problem itself is inconsistent because affects in different ways to thousands of players.
not buying fifa18
yeah I could afford doing it since I am a student. But with next year's FIFA I start my job life. My ambition was to qualify for an offline event, but I highly doubt it will be possible if I have to play at night exclusively again.