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  • McClean
    776 posts Semi-Pro
    Santiago wrote: »
    I am voting for King Barrett

    The real voice of reason in this thread.
  • Guvnor
    1641 posts Play-Off Hero
    Guvnor wrote: »
    If you are uninformed ask your mum and dad, they will 90 percent of the time vote for the party you would vote for. The two usually go hand in hand.

    Whatever you say doesn't change my opinion and reason for not voting. If i read a manifesto it would not change anything, i have no interest in it all YET. So I am not gonna start reading manifestos that i dont understand.

    Also, whats to say my parents aren't the type of people that choose one party and vote for them no matter what. They could be voting for the 'wrong' party for all i know, and me voting for who they chose without knowing anything myself is worse than me not voting IMO.

    And you're saying that 21 year olds not voting caused brexit. A lot of the people my age who didn't vote could have voted out, rather than not voting at all.



    Don't vote then pal, if you need to debate about why you won't be voting, then don't vote, all I was saying is that this is your country like it is mine and you should want to have a say in how it is run, many many people through out this world don't have that choice, as for the parents, you are young so maybe I was a bit blarze on this point, but yes there's every chance your parents could be voting for the wrong person but usually if say for example your family vote tories it is because you are from a middle class background with a middle class up bringing meaning you would usually also vote for the same as you would have a very similar mindset, whether it's the right party or not is irrelevant as it would be your party. This may make more sense when your a bit older and discuss it with your parents you may just find that you both vote for the same parties meaning that I was actually pretty accurate.

    As for Brexit and the 21 year olds, well it's pretty well known that the younger generation lean to the pro European side hence all the protests which were in the news, which you may of seen? But again yes there's every possibility the result would of been the same but it's highly unlikely.

    Anyway, don't vote it's your choice, you seem to feel that I'm telling you to vote, I'm not I do believe that everyone who can should vote, so have stated that fact but again it's your choice fella.
  • ClintCommander
    6973 posts Big Money Move
    If they raise corporation tax, to pay for all these tuitions fees, funding etc. You know that wages will be lowered / prices will increase, so these firms make up the shortfall, is there anything stopping that?

    When lefties can't answer they just ignore :lol:
    Here's a thought, curve the ridiculous salaries of top tier employees and stop reckless investing.
  • ClintCommander
    6973 posts Big Money Move
    edited June 2017
    Tax money shouldn't be used to fund someone's degree in things like sociology and politics. They don't benefit anyone but the person graduating.

    Unless the person becomes a productive high paying member of society and then his wages goes right back into the economic system or leads on a social level. You have to give people the opportunity, that person will be better for it, and the nation as a whole will be there for
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Why do socialists shout down anyone who argues against mass immigration. Unions argue it suppresses wages. I'm from Belfast so we don't have the same levels as England but I was recently working in Surrey and the firm I was in was employing Eastern Europeans on half the wage I was on as a self employed temporary worker.

    £11 an hour to that Polish/Lithuanian/Romanian etc is still massive money.
    But thats a British worker that could have had that job, leading to less people requiring help from the state, less pressure on state services due to less headcount in the country and more money in the governments pockets.

    Oh thats right its supposedly racist to talk about immigration.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Peter wrote: »
    Heppers wrote: »
    Imagine voting for someone who is deluded enough he thinks he ca scrap the country's tuition fees.. Where the funding going to come from Jezza you complete utter moron

    How did they manage it before the tories raised it then?

    £9k a year is absolutely ridiculous

    .eh tuition fees dont bother me. Its only a extra tax really rather than a normal loan. Call it a graduate tax or some **** like that.

    You only pay back your tuition fees once you start earning over £21000 a year.

    Its a 9% pay back rate on any figured earned after the 2k, so 26k a year wage means you pay back £37 a month, hardly massive amd penalising.

    But sure people today want everything for nothing.
  • Jakey_Hibee86
    161 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I wonder how much the govt. would raise if all builders/tradesmen stopped getting paid cash and actually had to pay taxes.
    Still waiting
  • Wonderfulwest
    4980 posts Big Money Move
    I'm voting for Jeremy Corbin, end of the day I don't like either party l. But I have to vote. And the biggest thing for me even a lot of labour MPs don't like Corbyn. Becuase he wants to tax the rich and stop corporate body's having the monopoly on everything. Not to mention stopping his peers from exploiting us the tax payers.

    In Obi wan we trust
  • Dan2501
    1250 posts Professional
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.
  • Jakey_Hibee86
    161 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?
  • The Dome 2
    337 posts Sunday League Hero
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places
  • S P 4 C E Y
    2436 posts Fans' Favourite
    Why do socialists shout down anyone who argues against mass immigration. Unions argue it suppresses wages. I'm from Belfast so we don't have the same levels as England but I was recently working in Surrey and the firm I was in was employing Eastern Europeans on half the wage I was on as a self employed temporary worker.

    £11 an hour to that Polish/Lithuanian/Romanian etc is still massive money.
    But thats a British worker that could have had that job, leading to less people requiring help from the state, less pressure on state services due to less headcount in the country and more money in the governments pockets.

    Oh thats right its supposedly racist to talk about immigration.

    EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

    I.e. they pay more in taxes than they take from public services.
  • S P 4 C E Y
    2436 posts Fans' Favourite
    Not voting. I don't involve myself in politics. Maybe one day when I am older (I'm 21 now) I will have an input, but right now I keep away from it as i don't really understand it all.

    People died to give you that right. Even if you spoil your ballot paper, you should use it.

    It's also your civic duty to educate yourself on politics. An ignorance of politics does you precisely no help in any element of your life.
  • Peter
    26887 posts Player of the Year
    edited June 2017
    Not voting. I don't involve myself in politics. Maybe one day when I am older (I'm 21 now) I will have an input, but right now I keep away from it as i don't really understand it all.

    People died to give you that right. Even if you spoil your ballot paper, you should use it.

    It's also your civic duty to educate yourself on politics. An ignorance of politics does you precisely no help in any element of your life.

    They should just make it the law you have to vote.
  • Peter
    26887 posts Player of the Year
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    The answer is in the costed manifesto.
  • coatsy
    32197 posts National Team Captain
    Peter wrote: »
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    The answer is in the costed manifesto.

  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Why do socialists shout down anyone who argues against mass immigration. Unions argue it suppresses wages. I'm from Belfast so we don't have the same levels as England but I was recently working in Surrey and the firm I was in was employing Eastern Europeans on half the wage I was on as a self employed temporary worker.

    £11 an hour to that Polish/Lithuanian/Romanian etc is still massive money.
    But thats a British worker that could have had that job, leading to less people requiring help from the state, less pressure on state services due to less headcount in the country and more money in the governments pockets.

    Oh thats right its supposedly racist to talk about immigration.

    EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

    I.e. they pay more in taxes than they take from public services.

    No they are not the Institute for Fiscal Studies showed they break even at best.

    The majority of immigrants are unskilled workers who because they earn minimum wage would be entitled to tax credits to bring their wage up to a certain level...thus their tax is negligible.

    I'm not against immigration as long as it is skilled workers like Nurses and Doctors, Engineers etc..we don't need unskilled workers there's enough people on the dole to clean hotels and serve in McDonalds or pick potatoes.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    I wonder how much the govt. would raise if all builders/tradesmen stopped getting paid cash and actually had to pay taxes.
    Still waiting

    Massive amounts but you'd never cut it out because people get jobs done for cheaper that way.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Peter wrote: »
    Not voting. I don't involve myself in politics. Maybe one day when I am older (I'm 21 now) I will have an input, but right now I keep away from it as i don't really understand it all.

    People died to give you that right. Even if you spoil your ballot paper, you should use it.

    It's also your civic duty to educate yourself on politics. An ignorance of politics does you precisely no help in any element of your life.

    They should just make it the law you have to vote.

    The governments role is not to tell people what to do with their lives.

    300'000 British Servicemen and 50'000 merchantmen died in WW2 to protect our civil liberties and democracy. That includes the right to choose if you wish to vote.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    The Dome 2 wrote: »
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places

    You mean those bombs and equipment we bought years ago and that are mostly built in the UK providing jobs.
  • Peake
    894 posts An Exciting Prospect
    Why do socialists shout down anyone who argues against mass immigration. Unions argue it suppresses wages. I'm from Belfast so we don't have the same levels as England but I was recently working in Surrey and the firm I was in was employing Eastern Europeans on half the wage I was on as a self employed temporary worker.

    £11 an hour to that Polish/Lithuanian/Romanian etc is still massive money.
    But thats a British worker that could have had that job, leading to less people requiring help from the state, less pressure on state services due to less headcount in the country and more money in the governments pockets.

    Oh thats right its supposedly racist to talk about immigration.

    EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

    I.e. they pay more in taxes than they take from public services.

    No they are not the Institute for Fiscal Studies showed they break even at best.

    The majority of immigrants are unskilled workers who because they earn minimum wage would be entitled to tax credits to bring their wage up to a certain level...thus their tax is negligible.

    I'm not against immigration as long as it is skilled workers like Nurses and Doctors, Engineers etc..we don't need unskilled workers there's enough people on the dole to clean hotels and serve in McDonalds or pick potatoes.

    Once we leave the EU and free movement doesn't apply, surely the amount of immigrants coming in to the country to do unskilled work will drop dramatically?
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Every vote for Labour is a new money tree planted to sustain the environment.

    Its not costed.
  • Peter
    26887 posts Player of the Year
    Peter wrote: »
    Not voting. I don't involve myself in politics. Maybe one day when I am older (I'm 21 now) I will have an input, but right now I keep away from it as i don't really understand it all.

    People died to give you that right. Even if you spoil your ballot paper, you should use it.

    It's also your civic duty to educate yourself on politics. An ignorance of politics does you precisely no help in any element of your life.

    They should just make it the law you have to vote.

    The governments role is not to tell people what to do with their lives.

    300'000 British Servicemen and 50'000 merchantmen died in WW2 to protect our civil liberties and democracy. That includes the right to choose if you wish to vote.

    Australians died. They have to vote or get a fine.

    You are allowed to choose not to vote by spoilong it, but you have to turn out.
  • Peter
    26887 posts Player of the Year
    The Dome 2 wrote: »
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places

    You mean those bombs and equipment we bought years ago and that are mostly built in the UK providing jobs.

    Rather higher unemployment than higher rate of bombing ffs
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Peter wrote: »
    Peter wrote: »
    Not voting. I don't involve myself in politics. Maybe one day when I am older (I'm 21 now) I will have an input, but right now I keep away from it as i don't really understand it all.

    People died to give you that right. Even if you spoil your ballot paper, you should use it.

    It's also your civic duty to educate yourself on politics. An ignorance of politics does you precisely no help in any element of your life.

    They should just make it the law you have to vote.

    The governments role is not to tell people what to do with their lives.

    300'000 British Servicemen and 50'000 merchantmen died in WW2 to protect our civil liberties and democracy. That includes the right to choose if you wish to vote.

    Australians died. They have to vote or get a fine.

    You are allowed to choose not to vote by spoilong it, but you have to turn out.

    Thats for the Australians to decide that system. I personally know a Normandy Vet who landed on Sword beach 2 days after the invasion...I highly doubt he done it to enable the state to force people to do things.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Peter wrote: »
    The Dome 2 wrote: »
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places

    You mean those bombs and equipment we bought years ago and that are mostly built in the UK providing jobs.

    Rather higher unemployment than higher rate of bombing ffs

    You do realise the guy who recruited the Manchester bomber was killed by an RAF airstrike.

    Are we going to shower them depraved people with hugs and kisses to alleviate any threat to the citizens of the UK.

    Your politically motivated..Whats the first duty of any British government?
  • coatsy
    32197 posts National Team Captain
    Selling weapons to volatile regions of the globe does not make us more secure.
  • The Dome 2
    337 posts Sunday League Hero
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places
    The Dome 2 wrote: »
    Dan2501 wrote: »
    Already voted (postal), for Labour. Agree with a lot of the stuff they're doing. Upping corporation tax, maintaining the hunting ban, abolishing tuition fees, investing more in the NHS, reducing the ridiculous school cuts, more investment in grass-roots football, doing some very good stuff. Also, May is intolerable and not fit to lead the country.

    http://schoolcuts.org.uk/ - This is well worth a look, show's prospective cuts for the local schools in your area between now and 2022. My old high school looking at £300k+ cuts in the next 5 years under a Tory government.

    Where's the funding coming from?

    Taxes on business and the top 5%

    Not to mention the obscene amount of money we spend every year bombing places

    You mean those bombs and equipment we bought years ago and that are mostly built in the UK providing jobs.

    While i was in afghan we was setting off at least 4 £200,000 missiles every day for the 7 months i was there. that is just surface to air missiles. Not fast jets, which have to be refuelled as soon as they take off in addition to the bombs. And thats not comms or personal or anything.

    I get that they was made in the uk (majority was bought from the US) but even so, The deals made was with companies which MP's & Senior military personal have shares in. The rich get richer.

    The wealthy profit from war/Military intervention, Nobody else.
  • 1690_Ulster_FC
    3637 posts National Call-Up
    Peake wrote: »
    Why do socialists shout down anyone who argues against mass immigration. Unions argue it suppresses wages. I'm from Belfast so we don't have the same levels as England but I was recently working in Surrey and the firm I was in was employing Eastern Europeans on half the wage I was on as a self employed temporary worker.

    £11 an hour to that Polish/Lithuanian/Romanian etc is still massive money.
    But thats a British worker that could have had that job, leading to less people requiring help from the state, less pressure on state services due to less headcount in the country and more money in the governments pockets.

    Oh thats right its supposedly racist to talk about immigration.

    EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy.

    I.e. they pay more in taxes than they take from public services.

    No they are not the Institute for Fiscal Studies showed they break even at best.

    The majority of immigrants are unskilled workers who because they earn minimum wage would be entitled to tax credits to bring their wage up to a certain level...thus their tax is negligible.

    I'm not against immigration as long as it is skilled workers like Nurses and Doctors, Engineers etc..we don't need unskilled workers there's enough people on the dole to clean hotels and serve in McDonalds or pick potatoes.

    Once we leave the EU and free movement doesn't apply, surely the amount of immigrants coming in to the country to do unskilled work will drop dramatically?

    It should do but that involves us leaving the single market and the principle of free movement... No-one knows how the negotiations will go yet.

    I'm completely open to any EU citizen currently holding a job allowed residence in the UK to continue that work..But British citizens on the mainland should also be afforded the same rights No job and in receipt of benefits they should go home when we leave the EU.
  • coatsy
    32197 posts National Team Captain
    edited June 2017
    Arms industry is just one big self serving monster. Look at how much control they have in the US. It's insane. Politics is their puppet.
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