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  • sturges12345
    3521 posts National Call-Up
    El_Nino wrote: »
    The team who in the past 5-6 years have signed Ozil, Alexis, Aubamayeng, Lacazette etc. won't be able to attract Raul Jimenez. I've heard it all now

    I mean out of that list, you’ve got 2 players who weren’t wanted by there current club, 1 came from playing in Ligue 1 which is notorious for flops of late, Auba is really the only player you did well to attract.

    If you can’t understand an extremely basic concept of different things matter to different people then there really is no point.

    If you think ozil and Alexis couldn’t have gone to teams better than arsenal when we signed them you are very badly mistaken.

  • Tropicaz XBL
    4437 posts National Call-Up
    hopefully Ceballos gets a chance to show what he can do in Arteta's system tonight. No point persisting with Ozil if he's offering absolutely nothing.
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    El_Nino wrote: »
    The team who in the past 5-6 years have signed Ozil, Alexis, Aubamayeng, Lacazette etc. won't be able to attract Raul Jimenez. I've heard it all now

    I mean out of that list, you’ve got 2 players who weren’t wanted by there current club, 1 came from playing in Ligue 1 which is notorious for flops of late, Auba is really the only player you did well to attract.

    If you can’t understand an extremely basic concept of different things matter to different people then there really is no point.

    Atletico openly wanted Lacazette, a team notorious for signing and making elite strikers. Ozil was out of the blue, nobody really had time to get him and we swooped. It was a lucky signing with the way things fell and in general nobody else really needed to put down 42m on a playmaker like Ozil, it was an elite signing at the time.

    If we didn't do well to attract Alexis for 30m then idk what planet you are on. The guy was one of the best players in the world when he was here and he was at a top level with Barca as well.

    This is like saying Salah and Mane were bad signings from Liverpool because nobody else wanted them, what you are saying is so odd.
  • Southgatology
    1486 posts Professional
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Of course any player from Wolves or any of the teams in that bracket (Wolves, Sheffield, Man United etc) Would join us. Its highly likely we'll finish the season above Wolves. But even one poor season below Wolves wouldn't equate to being worse than them :lol: wages alone from our side would turn any players head.

    I’m sorry... what!? When have you ever taken a good player from us!? 😅😅😅

    Remember when we took your best player and he fired us to our 20th title? Good times.

    Sorry was just getting carried away listing mid table teams who play the same way.

    You seem to be confused as to what a mid table club is

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    Hope this helps
  • Pxul_
    8995 posts League Winner
    Is that table real? Makes me drool a lil bit🥵
  • Ahmer50x
    21591 posts Club Captain
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Of course any player from Wolves or any of the teams in that bracket (Wolves, Sheffield, Man United etc) Would join us. Its highly likely we'll finish the season above Wolves. But even one poor season below Wolves wouldn't equate to being worse than them :lol: wages alone from our side would turn any players head.

    Imagine putting United in that bracket of clubs you can just rob at pleasure.

    You have only ever signed our sloppy seconds like Silvestre. We have signed your stars.

    We are higher in the league and pay better wages. United are still a far bigger draw than Arsenal in 2020
  • El_Nino
    4360 posts National Call-Up
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    El_Nino wrote: »
    The team who in the past 5-6 years have signed Ozil, Alexis, Aubamayeng, Lacazette etc. won't be able to attract Raul Jimenez. I've heard it all now

    I mean out of that list, you’ve got 2 players who weren’t wanted by there current club, 1 came from playing in Ligue 1 which is notorious for flops of late, Auba is really the only player you did well to attract.

    If you can’t understand an extremely basic concept of different things matter to different people then there really is no point.

    Atletico openly wanted Lacazette, a team notorious for signing and making elite strikers. Ozil was out of the blue, nobody really had time to get him and we swooped. It was a lucky signing with the way things fell and in general nobody else really needed to put down 42m on a playmaker like Ozil, it was an elite signing at the time.

    If we didn't do well to attract Alexis for 30m then idk what planet you are on. The guy was one of the best players in the world when he was here and he was at a top level with Barca as well.

    This is like saying Salah and Mane were bad signings from Liverpool because nobody else wanted them, what you are saying is so odd.

    I wasn’t saying Sanchez wasn’t a great signing, ofc he was, my point was there wasn’t an awful lot of competition, and Barca weren’t playing him consistently and happy to let him go.

    Great signing, but not one I’d use to prove you can attract big names
  • arsenalap
    7104 posts Big Money Move
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Of course any player from Wolves or any of the teams in that bracket (Wolves, Sheffield, Man United etc) Would join us. Its highly likely we'll finish the season above Wolves. But even one poor season below Wolves wouldn't equate to being worse than them :lol: wages alone from our side would turn any players head.

    Imagine putting United in that bracket of clubs you can just rob at pleasure.

    You have only ever signed our sloppy seconds like Silvestre. We have signed your stars.

    We are higher in the league and pay better wages. United are still a far bigger draw than Arsenal in 2020

    You know he is just baiting, dont know why you all rise to it ha.

    What stars btw? van Persie is the only real success and that was back when United were a completely different club to now..

    Far bigger draw, no. Bigger draw, yes slightly but it can all change very quickly. Look at Liverpool as an example..
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    Looks as if Barca have opened negotiations for Auba. If we can get 60m for him now i'd do it and try to reinvest. There's a reason why we've kept Nketiah...
  • arsenalap
    7104 posts Big Money Move
    If we sell Auba now for 60m, I'd bring in a LW or AM for 50m.

    Maybe Ziyech.

    I think Martinelli Auba and Pepe can get the goals but we need someone to feed them better.
  • Ashy
    10493 posts Has That Special Something
    If we sell Auba we HAVE to get his replacement right, otherwise we could remain mid table for a while
  • Ahmer50x
    21591 posts Club Captain
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Looks as if Barca have opened negotiations for Auba. If we can get 60m for him now i'd do it and try to reinvest. There's a reason why we've kept Nketiah...

    Can you post a source with this stuff?
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Looks as if Barca have opened negotiations for Auba. If we can get 60m for him now i'd do it and try to reinvest. There's a reason why we've kept Nketiah...

    Can you post a source with this stuff?

    Nah.

    @arsenalap I'm not sure. Auba is a guaranteed 20+ league goal a season striker. Very difficult to replace unless you're lucky. I think Pepe was purchased to negate this eventuality and he'll add at least 10-15 league goals a season when he properly gets going. Plus more assists. Laca for me is done here especially if Auba goes. Martinelli is a real shining light but shouldn't have everything put on him just yet. I expect Ozil to go to the MLS when his contract is up so need to be looking at signing 3 attacking players in the next 3 windows including this one.

    Its quite exciting actually! Next summer we should have a solid list of outgoings.

    Mikky £10m
    Elneny £5m
    Mustafi £15m
    Auba £60m
    Laca £40m
    Kolasinac 15m

    A lot of money within that. £145M + around 50-100m in added transfer funds for the summer window. So we'd have 200m to somewhat rebuild. More than enough to build a solid squad around what we already have.

    Leno
    Bellerin
    Saliba
    New CB (£50M)
    Tierney
    New CM (£30M)
    Torreira
    Pepe
    Ozil
    Martinelli
    New striker (£40-80M)

    On top of that I expect one other new attacker and a full back.
  • Ahmer50x
    21591 posts Club Captain
    I think that looks like a good plan @TakeItSlow

    Smart thing for Arsenal will be to invest their money in a high quality spine for the team. CB, CM, CAM, ST.

    Should be reasonably pricey major buys too as you pointed out with those budgets. You've got enough youth and dross to supplement a squad for next year. Focus needs to be on quality.

    Upamecano, van de Beek, Ziyech, and Jovic for example.

    The worst thing you can do as a club is spend your money on a bunch more Kurzawa/Luiz style signings.
  • arsenalap
    7104 posts Big Money Move
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Looks as if Barca have opened negotiations for Auba. If we can get 60m for him now i'd do it and try to reinvest. There's a reason why we've kept Nketiah...

    Can you post a source with this stuff?

    Nah.

    @arsenalap I'm not sure. Auba is a guaranteed 20+ league goal a season striker. Very difficult to replace unless you're lucky. I think Pepe was purchased to negate this eventuality and he'll add at least 10-15 league goals a season when he properly gets going. Plus more assists. Laca for me is done here especially if Auba goes. Martinelli is a real shining light but shouldn't have everything put on him just yet. I expect Ozil to go to the MLS when his contract is up so need to be looking at signing 3 attacking players in the next 3 windows including this one.

    Its quite exciting actually! Next summer we should have a solid list of outgoings.

    Mikky £10m
    Elneny £5m
    Mustafi £15m
    Auba £60m
    Laca £40m
    Kolasinac 15m

    A lot of money within that. £145M + around 50-100m in added transfer funds for the summer window. So we'd have 200m to somewhat rebuild. More than enough to build a solid squad around what we already have.

    Leno
    Bellerin
    Saliba
    New CB (£50M)
    Tierney
    New CM (£30M)
    Torreira
    Pepe
    Ozil
    Martinelli
    New striker (£40-80M)

    On top of that I expect one other new attacker and a full back.

    Out biggest issue by far for me is creativity. We have none bar Pepe.

    I think Pepe Laca and Martinelli can get goals but not with our current supply.
  • Tropicaz XBL
    4437 posts National Call-Up
    Our output of goals from midfield is a disaster since Ramsey left. Xhaka/Torreira/Guendouzi/Ozil/Ceballos can't have more than 5 goals combined this season.

    Grealish is a no brainer
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    Ahmer50x wrote: »
    I think that looks like a good plan @TakeItSlow

    Smart thing for Arsenal will be to invest their money in a high quality spine for the team. CB, CM, CAM, ST.

    Should be reasonably pricey major buys too as you pointed out with those budgets. You've got enough youth and dross to supplement a squad for next year. Focus needs to be on quality.

    Upamecano, van de Beek, Ziyech, and Jovic for example.

    The worst thing you can do as a club is spend your money on a bunch more Kurzawa/Luiz style signings.

    I mean I'd take Kurzawa as long as we also get the desired targets because we have Tierney as our main left back. Luiz was only a meh signing because he has turned into a main starter when we needed someone of much higher quality and younger age to be a starter.

    I don't expect us to spend much net next summer, but in general we can spend a lot of money with outgoings happening.

    @Tropicaz XBL Grealish is a top shout actually. Him or Maddison would be ideal, might be priced out of that though.
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    I also like that we've been linked with Fleck and Baldock from Sheffield Utd. Not pretty players but they get the job done and are brilliant at what they do. They fight for the badge, you need a mix of that within your squad. Not just 11 pre madonnas. A bit like Milner, Henderson and to some extent Gini/Robbo at Liverpool. Do their jobs well, didn't cost a bomb and will fight for everything.
  • Cyodine
    2113 posts Fans' Favourite
    arsenalap wrote: »
    If we sell Auba now for 60m, I'd bring in a LW or AM for 50m.

    Maybe Ziyech.

    I think Martinelli Auba and Pepe can get the goals but we need someone to feed them better.

    Someone needs to buy Ziyech! He's quality and I think deserves a step up from the Eredivisie.
  • Ashy
    10493 posts Has That Special Something
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.
  • sturges12345
    3521 posts National Call-Up
    Grealish > Maddison + ziyech. Need villa to get relegated so we can get him on the cheap in the summer
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    @Ahmer50x A Catalan paper started with Auba rumours, then its moved onto a reliable French journo as well saying they will get things going immediately to sign him.

    10 days left though, not sure we'll be in any mode to actually sell unless the price is right. I'm talking £80M or Ousmane Dembele/Umtiti involved in a swap.
  • sturges12345
    3521 posts National Call-Up
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.

    4 signings that would not be significant improvements to our squad.

    If you are 26 and still playing in the eridivisie you are not a serious player. Same applies for Bruno Fernandes
  • Ashy
    10493 posts Has That Special Something
    Dont want umtiti and isnt Dembele a specialist RW, he is inconsistent and we have Pepe
  • El_Nino
    4360 posts National Call-Up
    Grealish would be great for you, but I’d expect competition from City/United maybe others, Ziyech would be a good option if Maddison/Grealish aren’t available or are too much.

    Given you have Saliba who sounds very promising I’d probably look for an experienced CB with some quality apposed to younger options, but that’s just my opinion.

    Losing Auba/Lacca will take a hell of a lot of replacing, I think your board needs to know there probably going to miss CL next season as well realistically. But they’re usually fairly patient so as long as Arteta is progressing I don’t see why there’s be an issue.
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.

    4 signings that would not be significant improvements to our squad.

    If you are 26 and still playing in the eridivisie you are not a serious player. Same applies for Bruno Fernandes

    I'm not talking about Bruno Fernandes :lol: Bruno Guimaraes. Someone we're linked with.

    @sturges12345 no offence but you said Torreira was terrible and he's been incredible under the right management. Ziyech is an improvement on Ozil, Upamecano is a huge improvement to all our CB's, along with Saliba. Jovic and Jiminez are a vast improvement on Laca and its almost impossible to buy someone of Auba's prowess anyway unless we managed to somehow get Werner.
  • sturges12345
    3521 posts National Call-Up
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.

    4 signings that would not be significant improvements to our squad.

    If you are 26 and still playing in the eridivisie you are not a serious player. Same applies for Bruno Fernandes

    I'm not talking about Bruno Fernandes :lol: Bruno Guimaraes. Someone we're linked with.

    @sturges12345 no offence but you said Torreira was terrible and he's been incredible under the right management. Ziyech is an improvement on Ozil, Upamecano is a huge improvement to all our CB's, along with Saliba. Jovic and Jiminez are a vast improvement on Laca and its almost impossible to buy someone of Auba's prowess anyway unless we managed to somehow get Werner.

    Just because torreira looks good under decent management doesn’t mean he’s an incredible player. We could get so many superior players than torreira that would be even better in Arteta’s system.

    The system makes him look better than he actually is.

    There’s no way upamecano doesn’t do his acl at least once if he joins Arsenal. Jiminez and jovic I agree are much better than lacazette.
    Ziyech really isn’t that good mate. Unless having 10 long shots per game and bottling easy chances is your fantasy.
  • El_Nino
    4360 posts National Call-Up
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.

    4 signings that would not be significant improvements to our squad.

    If you are 26 and still playing in the eridivisie you are not a serious player. Same applies for Bruno Fernandes

    You need to be realistic on who you can afford if your looking down at the likes of Bruno and Ziyech.

    Who would you be after if you were in charge?
  • TakeItSlow
    8614 posts League Winner
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    Ashy wrote: »
    Grealish or Ziyech replacing Ozil would be good
    Upamecano/Elvedi as Saliba's partner would be good especially considering they have less than 18 months on their contract. A striker could be someone like Immobile/Jovic/Jimenez. Then a midfield partner for Torreira that gives the perfect balance

    Ziyech
    Bruno
    Upamecano
    Jovic/Jiminez

    Looking at what, £150-175M spend on those 4. Not too shabby.

    4 signings that would not be significant improvements to our squad.

    If you are 26 and still playing in the eridivisie you are not a serious player. Same applies for Bruno Fernandes

    I'm not talking about Bruno Fernandes :lol: Bruno Guimaraes. Someone we're linked with.

    @sturges12345 no offence but you said Torreira was terrible and he's been incredible under the right management. Ziyech is an improvement on Ozil, Upamecano is a huge improvement to all our CB's, along with Saliba. Jovic and Jiminez are a vast improvement on Laca and its almost impossible to buy someone of Auba's prowess anyway unless we managed to somehow get Werner.

    Just because torreira looks good under decent management doesn’t mean he’s an incredible player. We could get so many superior players than torreira that would be even better in Arteta’s system.

    The system makes him look better than he actually is.

    There’s no way upamecano doesn’t do his acl at least once if he joins Arsenal. Jiminez and jovic I agree are much better than lacazette.
    Ziyech really isn’t that good mate. Unless having 10 long shots per game and bottling easy chances is your fantasy.

    I'm not having that. Torreira has been doing two peoples jobs in the middle, he's getting through so much work and has been absolutely outstanding since Arteta took charge. If he fits the system this well then I want him to be the first name on the team sheet. Get someone like Guimaraes next to him and we'll be laughing.
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