OT: Scottish Independence

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  • Cphee1987
    6181 posts Big Money Move
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    Jake wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Hippyboy6 wrote: »
    Not sure why people are against Scotland having another referendum, because a politician said "once in a lifetime" that's a good enough reason not to have one, despite one of the biggest changes ever to the UK since the vote.

    It's a bit like buying an apartment on a large complex, when viewing it, you'll have access to the on site gym, swimming pool & shops..... Come moving in day, you have no access to any of them.

    Not really :D


    The Scots were aware that Brexit was a possibility, but still voted to remain in the UK.
    People didn't think we'd leave the EU.

    Surely that's there fault then?

    Not really. As you said in an above post your not from Scotland so don't know what's going on up here. The whole no campaign was based on if you stay part of the UK we will be better together and stay part of the EU. Which is the main factor that alot of Scots voted to keep the union. Which then the goalposts were moved, A brexit referendum was started (which I'm fairness even the tories expected to not pass) and scotland are now being removed from the EU even though the full country country voted to remain. So now alot of the No voters feel like they were conned and would have voted yes.

    See, you're getting things all mixed up.

    The brexit referendum was being put in place before the independence referendum.

    Can you please explain to me how being part of the E.U is more democratic for Scotland than being in Westminister? There isn't a single person on the planet who could legitimately argue for that one.

    There was no set brexit referendum back when we voted for independence that was all passed afterwards. As someone who lives in Scotland in more than fully aware of the campaigns that were run. They were shoved in our faces for years. And the No campaigns main thing was we would stay part of the EU where as if the country become independent that wasn't guaranteed.

    And you obviously think that being English. The EU set guidlines and overall laws etc but we could still run our own country and dictate what our money is put towards. You do realise that Westminster makes majority of decisions for us. Why would any country want to had all of their major decisions and finances over to another country. Pretty sure if England's laws and finances were dictated by Scotland you you would want control of your own country. In the EU everyone has a vote at the table. In Westminster the Scottish seats are massively outnumbered by the English seats. So even if every Scottish polictian votes against something the bill can still pass. That's not democracy

    You're so so wrong....this is what I worry about if all of you guys up there think the same way.

    I'm so wrong. I live in the country that's the subject of your discussion you arrogant pr1ck. And you wonder why people don't like you on here. We have had politics shoved in our faces for the last 10 years about all of these big decisions so I'm pretty sure we are a bit more clued up than some little **** sitting down south reading the odd bit of 1 sided propoganda or news that youd decide to pick up. You started a debate in here which you clearly don't actually know nothing about
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    Cphee1987 wrote: »

    Exactly this. So they voted no and still got the EU citizenship removed.

    No you idiot.

    That's a pro-union twitter account.

    Deary me.
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    edited March 2017
    @Cphee1987

    You're making he laugh
  • Cphee1987
    6181 posts Big Money Move
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »

    Exactly this. So they voted no and still got the EU citizenship removed.

    No you idiot.

    That's a pro-union twitter account.

    Deary me.

    Yes a pro UK account. The vote no to independence. Clearly saying if you vote yes and become independent your not going to be part of the EU. Learn to read
  • AnDrEwThEdOn
    17253 posts World Class
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »

    Exactly this. So they voted no and still got the EU citizenship removed.

    No you idiot.

    That's a pro-union twitter account.

    Deary me.

    Calling people idiots is a great way to have an argument.

    Contiunually throughout the campaign we were told the only way to secure our EU membership was to vote remain. And look what happened...
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Tof33z wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Serious point - Why would the E.U even want Scotland?

    Pretty sure when the Brexit referendum was in full swing Sturgeon sat and spoke with a few top E.U officials who said they would not be willing to accept Scotland into the E.U unless part of a United Kingdom.

    The argument above about Ireland isn't relevant for two reasons:

    1. The damage to the Irish economy has been far more severe than the UK over the past decade....largely due to the impact on the Euro.

    2. Ireland's economy, in comparison to the UK and other EU powerhouses, is tiny. You wouldn't put £500,000 into a 2% interest account (Bank a) instead of a 5% interest account (Bank b), just because the year before Bank a was only offering a 1% interest rate and therefore has a higher rate of growth.

    Final and most important point, regarding Scotland not having a Tory mp representing them....Your 'intelligent and wise' population decided to put into power the SNP due to their promise of a national referendum....the election was a complete landslide.....and then, you decided to vote against everything they represented and said no :D

    Seriously, if you know so little about something avoid debating it.

    Firstly, re Scotland joining the EU, of course the bloody EU would say that. They wanted to avoid brexit duh. This was during the campaign. Switch your fecking brain on.

    Ireland's economy is almost exactly the same as Scotland, with a smaller population. If you include oil, Scotland is about 10% higher. The difference the oil makes is modest,but it's all everyone talks about. The growth in the Irish economy over the past ten years massively outperforms the uk. Of course the crash was bad but absolutely nothing to do with the euro. No idea where you get that **** from. It originated in the US ffs.

    What actually is important that the Irish people can vote for the government they want and hold them accountable. But like the original referendum, everyone gets stuck on the same moronic **** you just trotted out. Cos you know, actually learning the accurate facts Is a bit of a bore


    Iffy - You have no clue what da hell you are talking about.. I'm not Scottish but you are a typical English kid who read about the Brexit and Scottish independence in the Daily Sport FS..

    Iffy - Your a fool

    Irony here?

    You're not Scottish....and judging by your grammar and spelling, you're not from any part of Britain.

    I didn't need to read about Brexit from any forms of media....i'm capable of making my own decisions based off my own beliefs, which is why I voted to leave the European Union.

    The problem individuals like yourself have is that...

    1. You're commenting on something you clearly know nothing about, as all my posts have been relevant and actually haven't been for or against the Scots holding another referendum.
    2. You don't actually contribute to a 'discussion', labelling someone a 'fool' isn't what someone with a respectable opinion would do.
    3. You're blinded by your hatred for me, that you clearly cannot form a rational argument yourself.


    I actually have no hatred for you at all.

    I am writing on a forum so my grammar suits the context I am writing too. It's funny the last resort people attack so peoples grammar or spelling mistakes..

    Please research before spouting pure crap which you clearly no nothing about other than 'your beliefs'

    Please enlighten us why you voted to leave the EU?

    Why did i vote to leave the E.U.?

    Because it was the right decision for me.....

    I didn't attack your grammar, i was using it to explain how someone who clearly doesn't have English as their first language, can even offer an opinion on this subject.

    Lets move on from the grammar aspect, shall we?

    I am very interested in your beliefs about leaving the EU and please explain why it was the right decision for you. What was the most compelling argument why you voted leave?



    I voted leave so that the U.K could gain its 'independance'.

    That is what is so strange about the Scotland debacle. They claim they want independance....but they're looking to jump straight back into bed with the E.U.

    Its spelt - independence

    Irony - a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other’s false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

    And I'm Done.. thank you and good night

    Long runs the fox kiddo

    I love it!!!

    Knew it'd work!!

    Did you? hahahhahaha

    Stick to playing to Fifa and leave the big boy conversations to people who actually know what they are talking about



    Are you British?

    relevance??

    I have dual nationality

    Because you said my opinion was irrelevant because i wasn't scottish.....
  • SomeMightSay
    272 posts Sunday League Hero
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »

    Exactly this. So they voted no and still got the EU citizenship removed.

    No you idiot.

    That's a pro-union twitter account.

    Deary me.

    Yes a pro UK account. The vote no to independence. Clearly saying if you vote yes and become independent your not going to be part of the EU. Learn to read


    I think everyone understand what you meant but this fool!! you really are clueless iffy
  • Jaxite
    22372 posts Club Captain
    This thread :D
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

  • Cphee1987
    6181 posts Big Money Move
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    Again it's more independent than having England dictate your country
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    Again it's more independent than having England dictate your country

    It isn't though....

    Spain can stop any law you try to pass or make amends to within the E.U, as can any other member, just by using their right to 'veto'.

    Delusional, it's incredible really.
  • SomeMightSay
    272 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited March 2017
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Tof33z wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Serious point - Why would the E.U even want Scotland?

    Pretty sure when the Brexit referendum was in full swing Sturgeon sat and spoke with a few top E.U officials who said they would not be willing to accept Scotland into the E.U unless part of a United Kingdom.

    The argument above about Ireland isn't relevant for two reasons:

    1. The damage to the Irish economy has been far more severe than the UK over the past decade....largely due to the impact on the Euro.

    2. Ireland's economy, in comparison to the UK and other EU powerhouses, is tiny. You wouldn't put £500,000 into a 2% interest account (Bank a) instead of a 5% interest account (Bank b), just because the year before Bank a was only offering a 1% interest rate and therefore has a higher rate of growth.

    Final and most important point, regarding Scotland not having a Tory mp representing them....Your 'intelligent and wise' population decided to put into power the SNP due to their promise of a national referendum....the election was a complete landslide.....and then, you decided to vote against everything they represented and said no :D

    Seriously, if you know so little about something avoid debating it.

    Firstly, re Scotland joining the EU, of course the bloody EU would say that. They wanted to avoid brexit duh. This was during the campaign. Switch your fecking brain on.

    Ireland's economy is almost exactly the same as Scotland, with a smaller population. If you include oil, Scotland is about 10% higher. The difference the oil makes is modest,but it's all everyone talks about. The growth in the Irish economy over the past ten years massively outperforms the uk. Of course the crash was bad but absolutely nothing to do with the euro. No idea where you get that **** from. It originated in the US ffs.

    What actually is important that the Irish people can vote for the government they want and hold them accountable. But like the original referendum, everyone gets stuck on the same moronic **** you just trotted out. Cos you know, actually learning the accurate facts Is a bit of a bore


    Iffy - You have no clue what da hell you are talking about.. I'm not Scottish but you are a typical English kid who read about the Brexit and Scottish independence in the Daily Sport FS..

    Iffy - Your a fool

    Irony here?

    You're not Scottish....and judging by your grammar and spelling, you're not from any part of Britain.

    I didn't need to read about Brexit from any forms of media....i'm capable of making my own decisions based off my own beliefs, which is why I voted to leave the European Union.

    The problem individuals like yourself have is that...

    1. You're commenting on something you clearly know nothing about, as all my posts have been relevant and actually haven't been for or against the Scots holding another referendum.
    2. You don't actually contribute to a 'discussion', labelling someone a 'fool' isn't what someone with a respectable opinion would do.
    3. You're blinded by your hatred for me, that you clearly cannot form a rational argument yourself.


    I actually have no hatred for you at all.

    I am writing on a forum so my grammar suits the context I am writing too. It's funny the last resort people attack so peoples grammar or spelling mistakes..

    Please research before spouting pure crap which you clearly no nothing about other than 'your beliefs'

    Please enlighten us why you voted to leave the EU?

    Why did i vote to leave the E.U.?

    Because it was the right decision for me.....

    I didn't attack your grammar, i was using it to explain how someone who clearly doesn't have English as their first language, can even offer an opinion on this subject.

    Lets move on from the grammar aspect, shall we?

    I am very interested in your beliefs about leaving the EU and please explain why it was the right decision for you. What was the most compelling argument why you voted leave?



    I voted leave so that the U.K could gain its 'independance'.

    That is what is so strange about the Scotland debacle. They claim they want independance....but they're looking to jump straight back into bed with the E.U.

    Its spelt - independence

    Irony - a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other’s false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

    And I'm Done.. thank you and good night

    Long runs the fox kiddo

    I love it!!!

    Knew it'd work!!

    Did you? hahahhahaha

    Stick to playing to Fifa and leave the big boy conversations to people who actually know what they are talking about



    Are you British?

    relevance??

    I have dual nationality

    Because you said my opinion was irrelevant because i wasn't scottish.....

    I did in fact say that I was not Scottish... Getting a little confused?

    I am making the point your opinion is irrelevant because you have done 0 research on the matter and once you get called out you attack people grammar or spelling..

    Very Weak Kiddo, very weak..

    Stick to playing to fifa
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    @Cphee1987

    England doesn't even dictate England, so how can we dictate Scotland?

    :D
  • Cphee1987
    6181 posts Big Money Move
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    Again it's more independent than having England dictate your country

    It isn't though....

    Spain can stop any law you try to pass or make amends to within the E.U, as can any other member, just by using their right to 'veto'.

    Delusional, it's incredible really.

    Just like England stop anything we try to pass as it is?
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Tof33z wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Serious point - Why would the E.U even want Scotland?

    Pretty sure when the Brexit referendum was in full swing Sturgeon sat and spoke with a few top E.U officials who said they would not be willing to accept Scotland into the E.U unless part of a United Kingdom.

    The argument above about Ireland isn't relevant for two reasons:

    1. The damage to the Irish economy has been far more severe than the UK over the past decade....largely due to the impact on the Euro.

    2. Ireland's economy, in comparison to the UK and other EU powerhouses, is tiny. You wouldn't put £500,000 into a 2% interest account (Bank a) instead of a 5% interest account (Bank b), just because the year before Bank a was only offering a 1% interest rate and therefore has a higher rate of growth.

    Final and most important point, regarding Scotland not having a Tory mp representing them....Your 'intelligent and wise' population decided to put into power the SNP due to their promise of a national referendum....the election was a complete landslide.....and then, you decided to vote against everything they represented and said no :D

    Seriously, if you know so little about something avoid debating it.

    Firstly, re Scotland joining the EU, of course the bloody EU would say that. They wanted to avoid brexit duh. This was during the campaign. Switch your fecking brain on.

    Ireland's economy is almost exactly the same as Scotland, with a smaller population. If you include oil, Scotland is about 10% higher. The difference the oil makes is modest,but it's all everyone talks about. The growth in the Irish economy over the past ten years massively outperforms the uk. Of course the crash was bad but absolutely nothing to do with the euro. No idea where you get that **** from. It originated in the US ffs.

    What actually is important that the Irish people can vote for the government they want and hold them accountable. But like the original referendum, everyone gets stuck on the same moronic **** you just trotted out. Cos you know, actually learning the accurate facts Is a bit of a bore


    Iffy - You have no clue what da hell you are talking about.. I'm not Scottish but you are a typical English kid who read about the Brexit and Scottish independence in the Daily Sport FS..

    Iffy - Your a fool

    Irony here?

    You're not Scottish....and judging by your grammar and spelling, you're not from any part of Britain.

    I didn't need to read about Brexit from any forms of media....i'm capable of making my own decisions based off my own beliefs, which is why I voted to leave the European Union.

    The problem individuals like yourself have is that...

    1. You're commenting on something you clearly know nothing about, as all my posts have been relevant and actually haven't been for or against the Scots holding another referendum.
    2. You don't actually contribute to a 'discussion', labelling someone a 'fool' isn't what someone with a respectable opinion would do.
    3. You're blinded by your hatred for me, that you clearly cannot form a rational argument yourself.


    I actually have no hatred for you at all.

    I am writing on a forum so my grammar suits the context I am writing too. It's funny the last resort people attack so peoples grammar or spelling mistakes..

    Please research before spouting pure crap which you clearly no nothing about other than 'your beliefs'

    Please enlighten us why you voted to leave the EU?

    Why did i vote to leave the E.U.?

    Because it was the right decision for me.....

    I didn't attack your grammar, i was using it to explain how someone who clearly doesn't have English as their first language, can even offer an opinion on this subject.

    Lets move on from the grammar aspect, shall we?

    I am very interested in your beliefs about leaving the EU and please explain why it was the right decision for you. What was the most compelling argument why you voted leave?



    I voted leave so that the U.K could gain its 'independance'.

    That is what is so strange about the Scotland debacle. They claim they want independance....but they're looking to jump straight back into bed with the E.U.

    Its spelt - independence

    Irony - a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other’s false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

    And I'm Done.. thank you and good night

    Long runs the fox kiddo

    I love it!!!

    Knew it'd work!!

    Did you? hahahhahaha

    Stick to playing to Fifa and leave the big boy conversations to people who actually know what they are talking about



    Are you British?

    relevance??

    I have dual nationality

    Because you said my opinion was irrelevant because i wasn't scottish.....

    I did in fact say that I was not Scottish... Getting a little confused?

    I making the point your opinion is irrelevant because you have done 0 research on the matter and once you get called out you attack people grammar or spelling..

    Very Weak Kiddo, very weak..

    Stick to playing to fifa

    Zero research?

    I'm the only one posting evidence...

    e.g. Peter Bone.
  • Hippyboy6
    16899 posts World Class
    Iffy do you really think the conditions are the same when Scotland voted last time?

    Why are you so against a vote in a country you don't live in?
  • Everton1878
    2205 posts Fans' Favourite
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »

    Exactly this. So they voted no and still got the EU citizenship removed.

    No you idiot.

    That's a pro-union twitter account.

    Deary me.

    Calling people idiots is a great way to have an argument.

    Contiunually throughout the campaign we were told the only way to secure our EU membership was to vote remain. And look what happened...

    David Cameron promised the EU referendum 18 months before the Scottish referendum. You knew it was a choice between certainly no EU or a U.K. Wide vote on EU...
  • Arsenalfan97
    7752 posts League Winner
    Everyone seems to be ignoring good points made by anyone by simply attacking iffy.
  • Sercs
    18682 posts World Class
    edited March 2017
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Sercs wrote: »
    skim read most of this, most of is Iffy starting a debate thread but not willing to debate or understand arguments.. moreso just tell people his opinion and why its right :joy:

    anyway on topic..

    I can see both sides.

    Scotland voted to remain, they shouldn't get another vote
    Scotland heavily voted to remain in the EU, but the rest of the UK means they are going out with them.

    Should they get another vote? I think it will probably happen.. but May will keep blocking it until Brexit happens as then Scots can actually understand what it means for the country.

    Nobody knows if its going to be good or bad in the long run leaving the EU, but certainly so far it hasn't been as bad as people thought it would be.

    I'm from England, and was remain. But a vote is a vote so happy that democracy is taking place as it should, and happy to go ahead with it.

    I'm the only guy in this thread who has backed his points up with evidence.

    So whatever man, another moron who just sees my name and forms an opinion straight away.

    wow there, calm down chief, are you recycling facts from your last school lesson? aha I am looking at the posts you make, not forming opinions regardless of facts :joy:

  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    Again it's more independent than having England dictate your country

    It isn't though....

    Spain can stop any law you try to pass or make amends to within the E.U, as can any other member, just by using their right to 'veto'.

    Delusional, it's incredible really.

    Just like England stop anything we try to pass as it is?

    So you'd rather have a bunch of foreigners, who have less interest in the success of your country, dictate to you instead?

    Genius.
  • SomeMightSay
    272 posts Sunday League Hero
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    The wanted to remain in the EU for trade reasons

    They want independence because they don't want to be ruled by a foreign state that is in a complete different direction

  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    Sercs wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Sercs wrote: »
    skim read most of this, most of is Iffy starting a debate thread but not willing to debate or understand arguments.. moreso just tell people his opinion and why its right :joy:

    anyway on topic..

    I can see both sides.

    Scotland voted to remain, they shouldn't get another vote
    Scotland heavily voted to remain in the EU, but the rest of the UK means they are going out with them.

    Should they get another vote? I think it will probably happen.. but May will keep blocking it until Brexit happens as then Scots can actually understand what it means for the country.

    Nobody knows if its going to be good or bad in the long run leaving the EU, but certainly so far it hasn't been as bad as people thought it would be.

    I'm from England, and was remain. But a vote is a vote so happy that democracy is taking place as it should, and happy to go ahead with it.

    I'm the only guy in this thread who has backed his points up with evidence.

    So whatever man, another moron who just sees my name and forms an opinion straight away.

    wow there, calm down chief, are you recycling facts from your last school lesson? aha I am looking at the posts you make, not forming opinions regardless of facts :joy:

    So post them, and give me your opinion on why they're wrong.

    I have facts to back up everything.
  • Cphee1987
    6181 posts Big Money Move
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    Cphee1987 wrote: »
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    Again it's more independent than having England dictate your country

    It isn't though....

    Spain can stop any law you try to pass or make amends to within the E.U, as can any other member, just by using their right to 'veto'.

    Delusional, it's incredible really.

    Just like England stop anything we try to pass as it is?

    So you'd rather have a bunch of foreigners, who have less interest in the success of your country, dictate to you instead?

    Genius.

    We would have more control over our laws and finances than we currently do so yes I would. And it's got nothing to do with you what the Scottish people want
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    Everyone seems to be ignoring good points made by anyone by simply attacking iffy.

    It's ok man...some simply cannot understand the complexity of the debate, or the fact that Westminister is more democratic than Brussels.
  • AnDrEwThEdOn
    17253 posts World Class
    Personally don't think it would be a yes vote this time either. It's too soon after the previous one and I'd rather wait and see what happens with "brexit"

    But I know why the SNP and their supporters would want one now because the situation in the U.K. Is not the same as when we last voted
  • Peter
    26887 posts Player of the Year
    edited March 2017
    Will the price of irn bru rise?
  • Hippyboy6
    16899 posts World Class
    Personally don't think it would be a yes vote this time either. It's too soon after the previous one and I'd rather wait and see what happens with "brexit"

    But I know why the SNP and their supporters would want one now because the situation in the U.K. Is not the same as when we last voted

    Apparently this is irrelevant
  • Everton1878
    2205 posts Fans' Favourite
    Scottish population = 5.4 million
    U.K. Population = 65 million

    SNP seats=56

    5.4/65 * 650 = 54.75

    So Scotland actually are over represented in the U.K... discuss :)
  • IffyMoney
    4027 posts National Call-Up
    IffyMoney wrote: »
    @Cphee1987 @AnDrEwThEdOn

    So you guys don't want independence?

    Joining the EU is not independence!

    The wanted to remain in the EU for trade reasons

    They want independence because they don't want to be ruled by a foreign state that is in a complete different direction


    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    They will be rules by Brussels! As well as multiple other EU members.

    They want to become more democratic, by giving their democracy to Brussels.
  • keilly
    429 posts Sunday League Hero
    Peter wrote: »
    Will the price if irn bru rise?

    Na just the Girders...
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