Momentum

Spatitto
65 posts Park Captain
I play FUT since 2010 and I dont believe handicap exists or momentum. A few years back I won 60-65% of the games....this year I win 40% and I still dont believe it exists.

Momentum might be real but not in the game, Its just you feel presure and play a certain way...this is also true for your opponent.

Handicap: I have been crushed by bronce teams....but most of the time I take them to pieces.


Anybody feels the same?

Comments

  • FletchR32
    289 posts Sunday League Hero
    Totally the opposite... I've played my little brother a few times and he is literally terrible at the game! Always smash him like 5 or 6-0 but then the odd game I won't be able to build an attack at all against him... that for me proves that something's going on
  • SuperRob
    2051 posts Fans' Favourite
    Momentum is in the commentary sometimes so it must be in the game otherwise why would they mention it
  • FletchR32
    289 posts Sunday League Hero
    SuperRob wrote: »
    Momentum is in the commentary sometimes so it must be in the game otherwise why would they mention it

    I just wish EA would admit that it exists... I mean if they are so ashamed of it that they can't tell people it's there then why put it in the game?
    The only reason I can think of is that it's something in the code that no matter what they try they can't seem to get rid of it.
    Start the whole gameplay section from scratch I say and make a pure football sim that the good footballing brains out there are the ones that have the great records....
    No momentum advantage for a player that can't compete with the top players, he gets battered again and again and has to try and improve.. Heaven.

  • daveams
    63 posts Park Captain
    I do believe it exist. The problem is i cant prove it, otherwise i wouldnt say i believe, but i would say i know it exists. Its so frustrating. I always spent all my coins on one team, no matter if its 30k, 250k or 800k. I try to build the best possible team with many world class players. When i match someone with a similar team with world class players, my players play like they Should do. The best dribblers dribble good, the best passers give good passes and the best Defenders do defend very good. So sometimes i lose the match but most of time i win it. But whenever i lose its not a problem because that can happen and the way i lose is just because he is better.

    But, when i play against a 25k team they just cant do nothing. their best stats just dissapear. For example Aubameyang gets outpaced by Mertesacker, a very strong player gets pushed of the ball by a small and light player, players with a perfect ball control let the ball slip of their foot, iniesta struggles to give a 10m pass. And in the opposite, Some players ive never heard before become beasts. They become fast, strong, win every tackle, give good passes and most important: their players make really good runs while my defenders are just watching and let them go trough.

    For me it happens the most when i play with a high budget team (sometimes with informs) against a low budget team. Or when i have a long winstreak and dominate every person, then suddenly the next 10 games become very bad. Just like i explained, they cant do nothing anymore and Dont make any runs to create chances.

    Ive mailed EA one time a year ago when i was very frustrated, and they said (offcourse) handicap is not in FIFA. But i know for 99% sure its in.

    Now after this have said, i hope EA Dont ban me again on this forum for being critical about the game. Would be pretty sad.
  • SuperRob
    2051 posts Fans' Favourite
    If they didnt want it in the game they could take it out. Everything in the game has been refined over the years to generate income. Help the kids get wins and they stick around to buy fifa points. If they lose every match they would play something else.

    Look at the patch, firstly it was harder to score and you had to work scoring opportunities. That wasnt popular with the kids so they patch it so 1 player can dribble through a defence.
  • Dronegan
    1341 posts Professional
    Nah it dosnt exist. Thing with FUT community is that everyone sees them self as a godlike player. And are more likely to blame the game instead of looking at what they could have done better to not conceede a goal.



  • daveams
    63 posts Park Captain
    This^. I forgot to mention this. This is in my opinion the exact reason why its in the game. I think nobody would enjoy a game where he is losing everytime. Thats the reason why EA just give them a huge advantage to have good chances to win the game. That doesnt mean their record is 100-0 because that would be unrealistic. But to make sure FIFA players (read: FIFA points buyers) dont leave FIFA, they just let them win to. Its all about money.

    And i say it again, would be very sad if EA bans me on this forum again because i just say how i think it is.
  • Dronegan
    1341 posts Professional
    daveams wrote: »

    But, when i play against a 25k team they just cant do nothing. their best stats just dissapear. For example Aubameyang gets outpaced by Mertesacker


    Its funny how many people have said that their aubameyang gets outpaced by Mertesacker the last 2 years of Fifa. But i have never came across anyone that actually plays Mertesacker in over 1000 online game over 2 years.


  • daveams
    63 posts Park Captain
    "For example." Just the quickest and slowest player i coudlve think of. But Lets say walcott vs godin. They have a pace difference of 30 i guess so walcott must be much faster but in game most of time he isnt.
  • FletchR32
    289 posts Sunday League Hero
    EA have got it wrong then.. because I'm pretty sure even if kids were losing every game they would stick to it and try to get better... maybe if online seasons had more leagues so the really bad players are at the bottom and get paired against each other they would still win some games because there's always gonna be somebody as bad... let them learn and stop giving them help, whilever the game helps them they will never improve to play a football game how it should be played and it really confuses me as to how people can enjoy playing the game the way they do anyway.... never pass backwards and just ping it to a front man and run? How is that enjoyable? Just my opinion
  • DonkeyKong
    546 posts An Exciting Prospect
    I can dominate my opponent for 60 mins without him being a threat then I break the deadlock and all of a sudden he starts playing much better than before. It then feels like my AI start slacking off and his get a boost. My players are slow to press and their marking is poor and when I have the ball their movement is alot worse and my opponents AI are closing the spaces much much better. It isn't even debatable, I know these things are happening
  • CuteIsWhatIAim4
    8594 posts League Winner
    FletchR32 wrote: »
    EA have got it wrong then.. because I'm pretty sure even if kids were losing every game they would stick to it and try to get better... maybe if online seasons had more leagues so the really bad players are at the bottom and get paired against each other they would still win some games because there's always gonna be somebody as bad... let them learn and stop giving them help, whilever the game helps them they will never improve to play a football game how it should be played and it really confuses me as to how people can enjoy playing the game the way they do anyway.... never pass backwards and just ping it to a front man and run? How is that enjoyable? Just my opinion

    That's it. You don't get some magical aimbot or invincibility in games like CoD just because you're bad. There are tons of videos on YouTube which are making fun of terrible players. And guess what ? These guys have the most playtime of all people on this planet. If you're bad you should get matched with players on your skill level, let's say division 8-10. You will still be winning some games, get promoted, get relegated, etc. But I seriously don't f*cking get, why people are rewarded with some magical stat boost or stat decrease / input lag for the better player, just to win games. You want to play the higher divisions ? Get better. You don't care about getting better ? That's why you are in Division 8-10.
  • CuteIsWhatIAim4
    8594 posts League Winner
    DonkeyKong wrote: »
    I can dominate my opponent for 60 mins without him being a threat then I break the deadlock and all of a sudden he starts playing much better than before. It then feels like my AI start slacking off and his get a boost. My players are slow to press and their marking is poor and when I have the ball their movement is alot worse and my opponents AI are closing the spaces much much better. It isn't even debatable, I know these things are happening

    Yeah, anyone who denies that this has happened to him, is either a brainwashed EA-Fanboy or is the one on the receiving end of the stat boost, because they're terrible players.
  • FletchR32
    289 posts Sunday League Hero
    FletchR32 wrote: »
    EA have got it wrong then.. because I'm pretty sure even if kids were losing every game they would stick to it and try to get better... maybe if online seasons had more leagues so the really bad players are at the bottom and get paired against each other they would still win some games because there's always gonna be somebody as bad... let them learn and stop giving them help, whilever the game helps them they will never improve to play a football game how it should be played and it really confuses me as to how people can enjoy playing the game the way they do anyway.... never pass backwards and just ping it to a front man and run? How is that enjoyable? Just my opinion

    That's it. You don't get some magical aimbot or invincibility in games like CoD just because you're bad. There are tons of videos on YouTube which are making fun of terrible players. And guess what ? These guys have the most playtime of all people on this planet. If you're bad you should get matched with players on your skill level, let's say division 8-10. You will still be winning some games, get promoted, get relegated, etc. But I seriously don't f*cking get, why people are rewarded with some magical stat boost or stat decrease / input lag for the better player, just to win games. You want to play the higher divisions ? Get better. You don't care about getting better ? That's why you are in Division 8-10.

    Hit the nail on the head there mate.... I would be much more willing to spend a decent amount of money on the game trying to get a nice team if it actually mattered more... I just can't bring myself to give EA any money for FIFA points to build a world beating team that still gets there stats downgraded at random times during a game!
    It should be up to me if I feel like not trying as hard or if I'm gonna work hard to get a goal back... I don't need help in doing it or have it made harder for me to hold a lead

  • Spatitto
    65 posts Park Captain
    SuperRob wrote: »
    If they didnt want it in the game they could take it out. Everything in the game has been refined over the years to generate income. Help the kids get wins and they stick around to buy fifa points. If they lose every match they would play something else.

    Look at the patch, firstly it was harder to score and you had to work scoring opportunities. That wasnt popular with the kids so they patch it so 1 player can dribble through a defence.

    But then Div 1 would be filled with 25k teams.....I assume ( because im in s$·t div 6) its full of ronaldos an messi...right?
  • Spatitto
    65 posts Park Captain
    SuperRob wrote: »
    If they didnt want it in the game they could take it out. Everything in the game has been refined over the years to generate income. Help the kids get wins and they stick around to buy fifa points. If they lose every match they would play something else.

    Look at the patch, firstly it was harder to score and you had to work scoring opportunities. That wasnt popular with the kids so they patch it so 1 player can dribble through a defence.

    EA is a big company....Im sure they would know this after many years of FIFA and FUT....I doubt they said lets give it a try in 2017....they would just release the game to suit kids.....I dont know man I dont buy it.......It does feel like that sometimes Im not gona lie....but from a business point of view I really doubt that is the case.
  • Spatitto
    65 posts Park Captain
    daveams wrote: »
    I do believe it exist. The problem is i cant prove it, otherwise i wouldnt say i believe, but i would say i know it exists. Its so frustrating. I always spent all my coins on one team, no matter if its 30k, 250k or 800k. I try to build the best possible team with many world class players. When i match someone with a similar team with world class players, my players play like they Should do. The best dribblers dribble good, the best passers give good passes and the best Defenders do defend very good. So sometimes i lose the match but most of time i win it. But whenever i lose its not a problem because that can happen and the way i lose is just because he is better.

    But, when i play against a 25k team they just cant do nothing. their best stats just dissapear. For example Aubameyang gets outpaced by Mertesacker, a very strong player gets pushed of the ball by a small and light player, players with a perfect ball control let the ball slip of their foot, iniesta struggles to give a 10m pass. And in the opposite, Some players ive never heard before become beasts. They become fast, strong, win every tackle, give good passes and most important: their players make really good runs while my defenders are just watching and let them go trough.

    For me it happens the most when i play with a high budget team (sometimes with informs) against a low budget team. Or when i have a long winstreak and dominate every person, then suddenly the next 10 games become very bad. Just like i explained, they cant do nothing anymore and Dont make any runs to create chances.

    Ive mailed EA one time a year ago when i was very frustrated, and they said (offcourse) handicap is not in FIFA. But i know for 99% sure its in.

    Now after this have said, i hope EA Dont ban me again on this forum for being critical about the game. Would be pretty sad.

    But then Div 1 would be filled with 25k teams.....I assume ( because im in s$·t div 6) its full of ronaldos an messi...right?
  • Pieman25
    19070 posts Moderator
    I accept my own ability at the game. If I improved I'd win more, simple as that.
  • Spatitto
    65 posts Park Captain
    DonkeyKong wrote: »
    I can dominate my opponent for 60 mins without him being a threat then I break the deadlock and all of a sudden he starts playing much better than before. It then feels like my AI start slacking off and his get a boost. My players are slow to press and their marking is poor and when I have the ball their movement is alot worse and my opponents AI are closing the spaces much much better. It isn't even debatable, I know these things are happening

    Have you ever been on the other side of the score? ...meaning you are being dominated 60 min & get the goal against, you get mad bro....you step up your game and beat the dude....right?
  • SuperRob
    2051 posts Fans' Favourite
    Players in Div 1 dont necessarily have the best players in their teams but generally the better players could use anyone and still win even when momentum is against them. Its the average players that will suffer as they are not good enough to deal with the difference.

    In regards to team cost. Look at the end of each fifa when players are dirt cheap. The amount of people using low rated teams with next to discard players in so common. These people choose to use these teams as they play better for them. Same goes for bronze benching. If people didnt feel that it made a difference then they wouldnt do it.

    Whether placebo or real the fact that so many different people feel its an issue would mean that there are issues in the game ( whether connection related or something more sinister).
  • Spatitto
    65 posts Park Captain
    SuperRob wrote: »
    Players in Div 1 dont necessarily have the best players in their teams but generally the better players could use anyone and still win even when momentum is against them. Its the average players that will suffer as they are not good enough to deal with the difference.

    In regards to team cost. Look at the end of each fifa when players are dirt cheap. The amount of people using low rated teams with next to discard players in so common. These people choose to use these teams as they play better for them. Same goes for bronze benching. If people didnt feel that it made a difference then they wouldnt do it.

    Whether placebo or real the fact that so many different people feel its an issue would mean that there are issues in the game ( whether connection related or something more sinister).

    I dont want to trash your point because your are right about the facts....not the conclusion in my opinion of course......this comes to my mind with what you are saying ............People go to church and pray...that does not mean there is a man in the sky listening.
  • ChrisLFC
    7364 posts League Winner
    If Momentum exists it can obviously be beaten. Otherwise the 100+ win streaks that pro players get wouldn't be possible.
  • Husala
    3658 posts National Call-Up
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