THE FALSE 9 (433-5) FORMATION GUIDE - DOMINATE PLAY (NEW CUSTOM TACTICS AND INSTRUCTIONS)

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Fred is Bae
1353 posts Professional
edited July 2017
BIG NEWS!!
Sorry for the guide kind of taking a back step towards the end of FIFA 17. In truth I didn't have much time to play FUT Champs, which was my main goal, and therefore lost the determination to tweak and keep the guide updated. HOWEVER, we will be back for FIFA 18!! I am planning a rough guide before the game is released which I will then update as I play and learn the game itself. Big things are coming!!! The guide however, will be revamped,
and will focus on a few formations designed for dominating the ball and frustrating the opponent.

Big thanks to all that read, contributed and left feedback on the guide over the last year. It's been great to revisit and see people are still having discussions/creating teams. Let's hope we can make Fifa 18 our year, i'm certainly hoping I can!!

Big up x


CHECK CUSTOM TACTICS AND INSTRUCTIONS


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INTRODUCTION

(I know there are many other examples of the false 9 being deployed before and after this event, but I feel as though this is a great example).

Although not originating from this example, the False 9 rose to international fame when Pep Guardiola achieved European dominance with Catalan giants, Barcelona. Known as a coach who would prefer 10 midfielders over your standard team, Pep tinkered the current Barcelona team to suit his needs. Thankfully, the team already had an immense selection of talent which enabled this tactic to become a success, but the significance of the formation was not only due to the players, but the manager himself.

REAL LIFE BACKGROUND, FORMATION AND GOALS BEHIND THE FORMATION

By adapting the standard 4-3-3 formation, Pep Guardiola's Barcelona tinkered it to perfection, allowing them to play free flowing possession football. In simple terms, the team consisted of a back 4, a midfield 3 and a front 3. However, player positioning and roles allowed the formation to play as 2-1-2-2-1-2 (I know this may be confusing, but the below illustration allows it to be demonstrated a little easier).

Source: https://tompaynefootball.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/analysis-of-guardiolas-barcelona-part-1/ (it's a good read)

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As you can see here, the formation itself has many different outlets, specifically for short passes. Using players as an example, Busquets would play as the pivot, almost in between the two centre packs at times, creating an outlet for both centre backs, midfielders and fullbacks to pass to. Messi played as the false 9, the player who made everything tick; most specifically in the final third. The CDM will and CF together will normally have the most passes, as they are the link up between the players around them.

As the image illustrates, the great thing about this formation is that there will always be a player nearby to pass it to. Relying on quick short passes and clever dribbles to dominate possession, the formation creates free flowing, quick possession football, stretching and frustrating the opponents team, retaining the ball and waiting for the perfect opportunity to create a goal scoring chance. Most specifically, the ball is worked along the flanks through the many triangles that are formed with the formation and the players roles. This pulls the opposing players out of position, leading to defensive mistakes and ultimately a chance to create and score goals with ease. Putting it simply, if you have the ball, it is harder for the opponent to score and easier for you to do so.

TL;DR for this section:
  • Keeps possession, looking to frustrate opponent with short passes
  • Doesn't force the ball into dangerous situations, plays patient yet keeping the game moving and opponent on their toes
  • Relies on quick and nimble play
  • Offensive football (this may be a con to the formation, discussed later)


USING IT IN FIFA

Now, although the formation has achieved crazy positive success in the real world, it is a little harder to replicate in FIFA. Although the game allows you to play around with instructions and custom tactics as well as using player work rates, it will never be as free flowing or as easy as real life. This partly comes down to the fact that your average FUT game is 12 minutes long, whereas a standard game is 90, allowing the formation time to break down opponents. HOWEVER, although I seem to have discounted the formation here, it still works; very well in fact.

The False 9, otherwise known as 433-5, works like a charm as long as you get the players and style right. Although you can use it as a standard formation and have success, I feel as though playing the right style of football to accompany the formation will have the best results (obviously :) ). I have played around with other formations and tested other tactics and this is the one that I feel is best. NOTE: Just because this works for me, it may not be the best way nor may it work for you. I've had great success in Division 1 with it though, which alone I think is a great test the formation has overcome

****PLAY PATIENT***** This is the key to this formation. Although it can be devastating on the counter due to it's front 3, playing patiently will get the best results out of the formation and the players it is designed for.

So, now I've tried my best to give the basics and understanding of the formation, let us dive into the FUT related end.

PLAYERS

Goalkeeper - I really do have no preference here. Someone with long throw is always good, although my keeper is normally chosen last and depends on chemistry. I would advise going 83+ however, as you want someone who you can rely on when it comes down to it. I find keepers rarely matter unless they are the big ones (De Gea, Neuer etc.) Pick someone you feel comfortable with.

Best options: Neuer, De Gea, Buffon, Cech, Handanovic, Courtois.
Cheap and effective options: Hart, Consigli, Fahrmann, Leno, Mandanda, Butland.


Full Backs (RB+LB) There are a few ways you can go about this position; an offensive player, an all rounder of a defensive minded player. I tend to go for an all rounder on one side and an offensive player on the other. It is however, up to you. 80+ pace is always good, make sure they have 80+ stamina too as I find it very important for this position. Defensive minded players I find normally fit into the all rounder category, or are very rarely good. Important stats are Stamina, Pace, Short passing, Stand tackle, Interceptions and Dribbling.

Best offensive options: Alaba, Florenzi, Peres, Clyne, Alves, Alba, Marcelo, Ricardo Rodriguez, Baines.
Best all rounders: Aurier, Walker, Coleman, De Marcos, Lahm, Filipe Luis, IF Milner, Alex Sandro.

Workrates: H/M is always best. H/H is good. M/M can work, anything else is below par. (Except for Alves who has H/L)


Centre Backs - Unlike other formations, these players tend to get a little more time on the ball than usual (as you play it out from the back). Due to this, centrebacks with average+ ball control and passing is needed. I find it's all down to preference though, so like the goalkeeper, pick centre backs you can rely on. A little pace never hurt either. I really like Bonucci, as he fits the criteria perfectly. Important stats are Strength, Stand/Slide Tackle, Interceptions, Marking and Short Passing. Ball Control/Pace are always good, the higher the better.

Best options: Thiago Silva, Boateng, Sergio Ramos, Bonucci, Chiellini, Koscielny, Otamendi, Varane, Alderweireld.
Cheap and effective options: Manolas, Sokratis, Toprak, Luiz, Naldo, Laporte, Smalling, Mustafi, Umtiti.

Workrates: I find it often depends on the pair. Two M/M is always good. Personally, I feel as though the best pair is M/M + M/H. Anything can work together, just don't go 2 H/M, ever.


Centre Defensive Midfielder - The spine of the team. You want someone who can do it all, the perfect all rounder with high defensive and physical stats. 80+ stamina is definitely needed, as they will be covering a lot of space on the pitch. This is the position where pace matters the least, so find someone who can distribute the ball, pass into space and dribble when needed. I find this position is very important, so try not to allow it to be a weak link in the team. Most important stats are Short Passing, Interceptions, Stamina, Stand Tackle, Strength and Ball Control. The higher shooting the better, as they often get into goal scoring opportunities outside the box.

Best options: De Rossi (god), Matic, Busquets, Krychowiak, Casemiro, Gonalons. Gustavo, Lars Bender.

Workrates: M/H almost always. M/M and H/H can work, but try for M/H if you can as you want them to sit a little deeper.


Centre Mids - Now this can be tricky, depending on the way you want to approach the game. Generally, I go for a box to box midfielder and an offensive minded one, but you can take many different routes when it comes to this position. It is most importantly that you feel comfortable with your centre mids on the ball, as I find they will be doing the majority of the link up play and even scoring the most goals. In terms of pairings, there are a few that work the best:

A box to box and an offensive playmaker
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A deep lying playmaker and an offensive playmaker


As stated above, I go for the first option as I find it the most balanced an effective for me. Don't hesitate to try other combinations and get back to me on how they did! As a general rule, go for a more defensive pair (the first option) if you can't defend too well and go for an attacking duo if you feel more comfortable at the back. In terms of stats, the most important ones in my opinion are Dribbling, all types of passing and stamina for every type of player. Higher physical, shooting and pace are always good for both types of player too, as that only adds to their game. Prioritise the most important attributes though.

Best Options for offensive: Pogba, Modric, De Bruyne, Iniesta, Fabregas, Pjanic, Gundogan, Pastore, Isco, Ozil.
Best options for box to box: Pogba, Vidal, Renato Sanches, Matuidi, Marchisio, Ramsey, Koke, Khedira, Fred.
Notable mentions: Wilshere, Rakitic, Yaya Toure, Cazorla, Rooney, Thiago, Verrati, Turan, Oscar, Coutinho.

Workrates: For offensive, H/M or M/M, try stay away from H/L. For box to box, H/H (exception for Pogba).

Wingers - Arguably the most offensive players on the team. You want them to be able to do everything, from assisting to scoring and even contributing massively in build up play. I find spending the bulk of your coins here to receive the best results, so don't be afraid to splash out in order to get the best players for these positions. As they need to be able to do a lot, just ensure that all their offensive stats are good. Most notably though, look for high Pace, Stamina and Dribbling. 4*+ skills can come in handy for beating players.

Best options: Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Neymar, Di Maria, Robben, Reus, Hazard, Sanchez, Douglas Costa, Martial
Cheap and effective options: Sterling, Nani, Mertens, Mahrez, Carrasco, Perisic, Konoplyanka, Salah, Shaqiri, Cuadrado, Lucas, Willian, Mkhitaryan.

I love Douglas Costa, he is absolutely amazing.

Workrates: Ideally you don't want M/M as it limits runs. H/M, H/L and M/L are the best. Stay away from a higher defensive workrate than lower.


Centre Forward - Ah, we have made it. The man who completes the team, allowing it to play free flowing football and linking up play everywhere in the higher end of the pitch. This man, along with the CDM, is the most important player in terms of team stability and build up play. Always try and pick the best player possible, as they will get the best results. Ideal stats are ones for a striker, though you want to focus specifically on Attack Positioning, Short Passing and Dribbling. Pace isn't necessarily needed (Totti OP) though it always helps and therefore try and get someone with at least 75. Skills are always good.

Best options: Messi 7 chem, Muller, Suarez, Ibrahimovic, Dybala, Benzema, Griezmann.
Cheap and effective options: Jovetic, Tevez, Draxler, Firmino, Raffael, Coutinho, Ben Yedder, Kruse.



INSTRUCTIONS AND CUSTOM TACTICS

Player instructions:

I will be changing these if I find a better collection, though I find these are the best to create triangles all over the pitch and dominate the game.

RB/LB - Offensive player could be put on always overlap, but normally leave both on default. Never have any on stay back as it hinders offensive play.

CB - Default

CDM - Stay Back, Cut passing lanes

CM - Default

Wingers - Get in behind, cut inside. This allows both wingers to contribute to attacking play in the final third.

CF - Stay central. False 9 tactic is advised to get him into the game more. Experiment with this one and let others know how you get on!

You can by any means change them to suit your own style and preference, these are just what I need. I am always open to feedback on these set of instructions or your own! :)


Custom tactics: (NOTE. These may change so check these regularly)

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THESE OTHER TACTICS ARE OLD, YET STILL WORK AND CAN BE USED

EDIT: We now have 3 sets of custom tactics. I suggest trying out all 3, but the first one may be easier to adapt to than the second and third. There is no superior tactic though, so try all 3! They offer very different kinds of play.

FIRST tactic (courtesy of Huge Gorilla - check out his YouTube.)

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In my opinion, this is the best tactic. You give up a little bit of possession for faster build up play and more attacking runs. Perfect for playing against any style of football.


SECOND (easy to adapt to, offers faster play with more aggression)

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Seeing as FIfa 17 is primarily about counter attacking, this tactic suits playing against it much more. Having slightly lower pressure and more aggression makes it easier to deal with those through balls due to your defence dropping deeper and midfielders using increased tenacity to win the ball. Free form offers plenty of opportunities with chance creation too.

THIRD TACTIC - the original tactic. (slower play, easier to dominate possession)

Harder to master, and not necessarily better. Try it out and let me know what you think. Opinions on tactics are vital as they help me tweak them.

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CURRENT TEAM AND USERS TEAMS

Here is the current team I am using, which I feel works near perfectly for this formation. I may change a few players in the future!

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And there you have it! Note that this is not a finished guide, I will be adding more information in the future when I feel necessary. Thankyou for reading, I hope you guys can find as much success as I did with this formation!
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Comments

  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Reserved
  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Reserved x2
  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Thankyou! I hope it helps guys! feedback is always welcome :)
  • Krunk_Fu
    214 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    thoughts on James Rodriguez as CF?
  • GL
    7379 posts Big Money Move
    Nice guide!

    This is the team I use
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    The midfield is so dominant, Pogba is amazing.
    I've played over 150 games with the 433(5) and have had to play around with instructions and custom tactics haha! Interested to see your custom tactics.
  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Krunk_Fu wrote: »
    thoughts on James Rodriguez as CF?

    Very good. Haven't tried him but he looks solid! Only bad thing (if any) is his stamina.
  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    Finding great success in division 1 with these tactics:

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  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    My team for those interested:

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  • Ringle
    396 posts Sunday League Hero
    Cheers man will bookmark
  • Ringle
    396 posts Sunday League Hero
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    Amazing!
  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    Ringle wrote: »
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    Amazing!

    Plays like a dream. Im sure there would be better players I could play in certain positions but tbh im just playing my favourite players and trying to enjoy the game.
  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    Thanks for the CT's and i'll test it out!! Wow lmao, nice team :)
  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    edited October 2016
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    Thanks for the CT's and i'll test it out!! Wow lmao, nice team :)

    Gullit is the dream to replace iniesta

    Use the CT and play patient. Throughball to the passing CM's
  • Kip2MyLou
    7397 posts League Winner
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    If you lose with that team, just quit.
  • stepanovic
    191 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    edited October 2016
    what are your thoughts about false9 and counter-attack? i've used this formation exclusively in FIFA 15 but had to change to 41212(2) in FIFA 16.

    i feel more comfortable with the false9 this year, but i have a very hard time to get used to nearly not being able to counter-attack through the middle.
  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    Kip2MyLou wrote: »
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    If you lose with that team, just quit.

    I think you should quit if you are under the impression fifa caters to the better team. You must be new to the game.
  • jrsantss
    674 posts Sunday League Hero
    I will use this guide
    thanks
  • Siilenced
    45 posts Park Captain
    GL wrote: »
    Nice guide!

    This is the team I use
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    The midfield is so dominant, Pogba is amazing.
    I've played over 150 games with the 433(5) and have had to play around with instructions and custom tactics haha! Interested to see your custom tactics.

    What are your CT's mate?

  • Kip2MyLou
    7397 posts League Winner
    Siilenced wrote: »
    Kip2MyLou wrote: »
    Siilenced wrote: »
    My team for those interested:

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    If you lose with that team, just quit.

    I think you should quit if you are under the impression fifa caters to the better team. You must be new to the game.

    Nope not new at all. But if you play with that team and lose then what's the point of playing the game? It's the best possible team stat wise. So if you can't manage a winning record with that then just quit.
  • Krunk_Fu
    214 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    I found Hamsik to be a great false 9 for my serie A team. nice and strong
  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Krunk_Fu wrote: »
    I found Hamsik to be a great false 9 for my serie A team. nice and strong

    He would be a very good f9. Good all round stats, i'm glad you've found success with him! :)
  • zzachzx
    4618 posts National Call-Up
    Guys, lets not fight here, Fred wrote a good guide now let's not cover his page in petty arguments :)
  • Kip2MyLou
    7397 posts League Winner
    edited October 2016
    Krunk_Fu wrote: »
    I found Hamsik to be a great false 9 for my serie A team. nice and strong

    I was looking at him as I use him every fifa. He's awesome for me like. Plus I love mertens so making a hybrid shouldn't be too hard.
  • CuteIsWhatIAim4
    8594 posts League Winner
    Great read, great guide !
  • http://www.futhead.com/17/squads/1471284/
    Here's a team I plan to buy. Any fixes/changes you would make?
  • Kip2MyLou
    7397 posts League Winner
    http://www.futhead.com/17/squads/1471284/
    Here's a team I plan to buy. Any fixes/changes you would make?

    I'm looking at building one around Jonas too. His card is awesome. That Danilo hyperlink isn't too shabby either.
  • Kip2MyLou
    7397 posts League Winner
    edited October 2016
    Thinking about making this. I don't really like any wingers in the Bundesliga. Schurrle is always a personally favorite for me every year. Even with his M/M work rates he shows up in great spots. And his finishing is great. Only downfall is his stamina, I think.

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  • Kamilflage
    5175 posts Big Money Move
    Great read! After trying multiple positions I finally came to this one, and really only forced myself to use it because I really wanted to play Bergkamp at F9...
    Fell in love with it after about 5 or 6 games. I'm struggling to find proper CTs and I think my issue is I've been setting the first set of them at 67 and 35 hence my build up is actually set to fast instead of slow. I'm going to try out the ones posted by @Siilenced
    Also, I struggle A LOT defensively, not sure if I just haven't adjusted to the game yet or the fact that I switched from PS4 to Xbox this season and still haven't gotten used to the controller...anyhow, do you have any tips for me to adjust according to my lack of defensive skills?
  • Kamilflage
    5175 posts Big Money Move
    Btw here is my team:
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  • Fred is Bae
    1353 posts Professional
    Kamilflage wrote: »
    Btw here is my team:
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    Nice team! In my opinion Bergkamp is the ultimate false 9, he has everything. I didn't include legends in the guide for obvious reasons

    In terms of defence, just try not to dive in. Also, try and defend with your midfield and use your defenders only when the tackle is definitely in your favour. Effenberg looks pretty good as a cdm but his defensive stats are a little lackluster, should be fine though. Goodluck! Custom tactics will be up after I've tested :)
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